NO!!
WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE JUST READ SOME OF THE THINGS WRITTEN AND ANSWER TO THAT!

These people are working an entry level job with NO SKILLS. An unskilled labor job that a fucking monkey could od.
THAT IS WHY THEY DON'T MAKE MORE THAN THE MINIMUM WAGE.

Fuck! I know you're not a dumb person. So that means you are intentionally overlooking that fact. They have NO skills. This is usually their first AND temporary job.

IF they work at McDonalds for a period of time AND they DO A GOOD JOB...they have opportunity to make MORE than minimum wage because they become valuable to the company.

Goddamn! This is making my brain hurt.

No arguments there BROmance. GFY is flooded with them.

Correct. This is the 'land of opportunity' and there is plenty of them.

Sadly, they all require some level of work and investment. Whether in experience, skill, time, or education. Some people are up for the challenge and willing to sacrifice some of their precious time for a better standard of living. Other want government hand outs or expect $15.00 because they showered and showed up for work that day.

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If McDonald's could raise prices by $0.68 and be able to afford doubling everyone's wages, they would have done this long ago without raising anyone's pay. Corporate would make more money, franchisees would make more money and shareholders would make more money.

Could it be, that the author of the article making these claims has not been informed of simple supply and demand laws? When the prices of goods increases, the demanded quantity decreases.

Past that, the idea that McDonalds employee wage boost would help the economy is a fallacy. Money in the private sector has the same net effect regardless of where it is. Economies are driven by savings, investment and production. Not consumer spending. They represent a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the workforce. Suggesting they can stimulate the economy better than one of their customers is bizarre.

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/sarc for all the Sheldon types

Has anyone been to a walmart or a mcdonalds lately? Everyone working there isn't 16 years old...

The minimum wage when taking into account inflation has actually declined since the 1970s. I'd post more graphs illustrating this but I've already posted enough (5-6 I believe).

Why not just do away with child labor laws. Or the minimum wage completely. Or just bring back slavery, at least then you get free room and board.

The government is here to regulate and private enterprise is here to optimize profits. Unfortunately due to rulings like citizens united, private companies just dictate whatever the fuck they want which isn't in your average person's best interest. Meanwhile republicans keep passing voter ID laws disenfranchising groups of poorer voters... government just is getting hilarious but private corporations aren't the answer.

Here are some more figures...

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2013/04...-rude-service/

"The fast-food giant pays its crew members an average wage of $7.63 an hour -- or $16,000 a year for working 40 hours a week for a year, according to the employer review site Glassdoor.com. That's about on par with other fast food outlets. But fast food service is among the lowest paid, and fastest growing, jobs in the country. While flipping burgers used to be a part-time pocket-change job for teens, it's become a major employer of working families in the U.S. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says that two thirds of fast food workers are female; their median age is 32 years old."

This is not people's first job, this is a job people are attempting to survive and supports families. Plenty of proud people that refuse to sit at home and just take a check so they work hard in fast food.

But feel free to keep with the narrative the Koch brothers keep feeding you that all fast food workers are young and lazy.

Nobody was talking about Walmart. And nobody was talking about "16 years old".

McDonalds I go to all the time. Just was there this morning to grab a hotcakes and sausage.

Very young girl took my money. Very young man gave me my order. Standing a few feet behind that young man was a guy who looked to be in his 30's wearing a tie. I'm going to guess he is a manager and makes MORE than minimum wage.

Furthermore...it doesn't matter if the guy handing me my food was 50. Bottom line is it's UNSKILLED labor. What part of that can't you understand?

You don't pay people more money than what the job is worth. If they are worth a fuck, they will kick ass and go a great job and rise up by being promoted.

Just like the guy in the tie did at McDonalds.

You aren't thinking straight about this.

EDIT: And your comments about the Koch brothers have absolutely nothing to do with unskilled labor making low wages. That has been the case since long before the Koch brothers were even born.
It's called "REALITY". Get used to it. Or...change our society into one that just hands people money no matter what their skills are or the relative value of the job being done

Median age is 32 years old for mcdonalds. The minimum wage has been declining since the 1970s.

According to glassdoor.com (http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/..._D_KO11,24.htm), your guy with the tie is making an average of $9.67 an hour as a shift manager. So bust your ass and you can take home an average of $19k a year.

Bust your ass and make under $20k a year lol.

Not everyone has it easy like us sitting around playing on the internet.

And I know this has been around a lot longer then the Koch brothers, but they and other like minded people have been pumping hundreds of millions into the media (really anywhere) to point fingers at poor people who are just trying to survive.

I just bring up the Koch brothers because this is what they are doing and you can see how badly they are suffering from the current recession by yet another graph

http://sourcewatch.org/images/d/d9/K...rs_fortune.png

Well I am with you on the universal healthcare from that other thread. Healthcare is a whole different broken system

You get sick, can't afford healthcare because you make $9.67 an hour, can't work at your mcdonalds job because you are sick so you get fired, lose your lease... hey then your just homeless heh.

This is some females second form of income to the household.
If not, again the company should pay for that females bad decisions?

But hey, if they do not make poverty level, the gov makes up for that....

I recently read that the average Walmart that employs 300 people will also cost the taxpayers between $900K and $1.7 million per year in public benefits.

The reason is that the wages are so low that the people working there also get food stamps, housing assistance, likely daycare assistance, medical coverage and maybe even cash.

To me that seems pretty crazy!

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Is there a copy of that with better resolution? I'd like to send it to my mailing list of 6000+ internet marketers. Give them a little push.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19748856&postcount=146 wasted :(

You don't seem to catch on to Robbie's point and just keep pointing to excuses the sheeple use before asking for their next entitlement.

When you get a job, your goal should be to acquire skills and advance, the same as when you attend college or go to school. This is about acquiring knowledge or skills that you can better use in your life to your own advantage. Whether it's a car salesman, fry cook, lawn boy whatever. Your goal is to learn everything you can (assuming you like this profession) and then either try and get a promotion if one's available, or use those skills to leap frog to the next job, better pay or position, and standard of living. The point being, your goal should not be set at 32 year old fry cook for 5 years.

Why is this concept so hard to understand? You work, you apply what you've learned, you then move on to the next gig that should pay more, or be more rewarding then the last. This is not mystery science theatre. Life is about learning everything you can and applying what you have learned to give you a better advantage.

Of course, this takes time, patience, and WORK. Something few seem willing to do.

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What the fuck are you talking about "bust your ass"???

Look...I could go out and dig fucking ditches in the hot sun and make minimum wage. THAT is "busting your ass". And it's worth about minimum wage.

Taking my order at the fucking drive thru window is not, has never been, and never will be "busting your ass".

How much does it take to get through to you that "YES" minimum wage is paid for jobs that require NOTHING but the minimum ability???

And "YES" if a person is good at their job, stays with it a long time, and REALLY busts their ass...they can move up the chain and make more money.

What is wrong with that simple idea? Entry level job...minimum pay. I don't give a fuck how old you are...it's asking me if I want "fries with that". It doesn't deserve even minimum wage.

some people do not want to listen to anything but this speaks volume to what is wrong with fast food. According to most posters here they think a unskilled cashier is only worth $7.25 and if they want a livable wage they should work harder..

Ok so that unskilled worker works his or her ass off to get promoted to shift manager and STILL makes under $10 per hour. A manager is not a unskilled job.

Define "livable" wage, please.

If they had an "unlivable" wage, would they be dead? Would they be homeless? Cause it seems like this has been going on for some time now and they're all still alive and doing just fine.

The cost of food and shelter is independent from what McDonalds pay their workers. Feel free to blame the Government for their involvement in monetary policy that's led to a higher cost of living. $7.25/hour would be more "livable" (whatever that means) if everything wasn't so expensive.

And maybe they should work their ass off trying to find a better job. It takes a special kind of stupid to suggest the sole act of "working your ass off" (how hard can you work at taking orders and flipping burgers?) should equate to an increase in wage.

I would say read it yourself but since you can't even read my post I know you won't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage

So a managers job isn't a better job? They have to wear a shirt and tie yet they still make under $10 per hour

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This thread kind of kicks ass.

You are muddying the water with your fodder.

The actual store manager of a McDonalds, you know... the one with all of the responsibility in regards to where the buck stops.... they make considerably more than $10.00 an hour and obviously have a lot more to their "job" that just being the 'P.O.C.' or shift manager.

What I mean is, you need to accurately look at their responsibilities and what work they do in regards to their pay. Obviously McDonalds does, and you can see clear as day the difference in their pay checks.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/McDo...aries-E432.htm

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ZING!

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I like how you, Robbie, and Minte continue to preach as if it'll make a difference. :2 cents:

Some people say they are glad others don't work hard because it makes everything easier for them. While immediately this is true, human civilization suffers because of it. You dupe people into some schemes and it only causes a rippling effect in the economy.

Despite the hard cold facts, people will continue to buy into get rich schemes.

I live in central Iowa, near Iowa Stat University, and a guy named Dane Maxwell attended some of the same social clubs that I'm currently in (Toastmasters among them).
His podcast is the most downloaded of all of Pat Flynn's Smart Passive Income podcast episodes.

no ideas no expertise no money business plan

The idea was to go out, find a need in the market, and then hire people to do all the work for you and possibly get them to take a cut from your business plan instead of upfront payment. From all my experience, unless you are a developer that is overly charitable or completely unwise with your time, that would be a terrible choice with just a random individual.
Though it had some interesting points, it was fundamentally flawed, and even though in it's relative infancy the program he runs has yet to produce anyone with stellar success.

My point is the same with diet and exercise books, there are tweaks and fundamental principles, but you get to a point where you just need to execute. How simple is it to understand: eat less, burn more?
With the exception of inheritance I have yet to meet anyone who was very wealthy who didn't work at least 60-90+ hours a week.

Pearls before swine. :disgust

True dat. Funny how that works.

:2 cents:

I currently make mid 5-figures/month and spend less than $1,000/month.

Here's what my budget looks like:

$200/month -- Food -- I get fruits, vegetables and poultry delivered by Safeway. Once a week, $50 each time.
$125/month -- Health Insurance Premiums -- Employees get H.I through their employers (add that in to their wages)
$35/month -- Virgin Mobile cell service
$19.99/month - Internet
$400/month - Rent (because rooming saves money)
$0/month - Car
$0/month Car insurance
$0/month Cable TV
$<$50 Entertainment

If I was literally working at McDonalds I would:

Switch to pay as you go cell service and only use it for important calls.
Cancel my internet (McDonalds has free Wi-Fi :) )
I'd stop buying organic food and only buy in-store (delivery cost $6)
I'd rent a tiny room -- cut my rent down to $200 - $300/month.
Use only public transit

And this would all last a few months before I went through a temp agency or somewhere that could get me a new job ASAP that pays better.

Or, I could be stupid, sit at McDonalds, complain all day, shake my fist at the sky and think the world owes me something.

Also note: I wear shoes from 2011. Old beat up tennis shoes. In November of last year I finally bought new clothes (about $300 worth) but it'd had been roughly 4 years. I use bio-degradable laundry detergent that lasts absolutely forever and your clothes stay vibrant and don't get worn like they would with mainstream stuff.

Fuck...I don't know anymore.

People in this thread actually think that it's a great idea to pay a guy taking my order at a McDonald's drive thru $15 an hour. Un-fucking-real.

I don't know what else to say.

I've already pointed out that a job that requires unskilled labor is compensated as such. But no...in today's America, everybody should get paid a "living wage" just because...and no other fucking reason.

No wonder it's so easy for me to wander through life and run circles around so many people. It's not because I'm so "good". It's because most of the rest of you are so damn sorry assed. :(

All things considered, why is that way back in 1960's, when the minimum wage had a hell of a lot more purchasing power than it has now, the economy was doing so well?

Why is that?

Were the rich not really rich back then perhaps?

Or was it maybe because the not-so-rich had more discretionary income to pump back into the economy?
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I am pretty sure you already knew this however. If you have spent any amount of time talking to others outside this industry, whether friends...family... or complete strangers who are bawling in your ear about their dreams that will never happen from the barko lounger. After listing to their whining, you tell them how easy it is to make good money if they would just do this this and this, go here there and so forth. Whether it's something online, or their own ideas. I know I have done this a hundred times if not more for friends, or complete strangers. They could be making $1/5/10k in 60-90 days if they would just do these steps and actually follow through.

Instead of giving you ONE reason why they CAN, they have dozen of excuses why they CAN'T. You can't help those types.

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That's exactly the point. The Government's intervention into the economy has distorted everything and now people want businesses to compensate for mistakes they didn't even make.

I keep seeing people writing that on here too. And though I don't want to be anecdotal... Can ANYBODY name one person who is working a job at Walmart and is on welfare?

I don't know any. The people at the Walmart in South Carolina where I lived were mostly older ladies working the checkout. Yeah...they got "govt. assistance", because they were already on social security. A lot of them were widowed and got their dead husbands social security as well. And yep, they were older and were on Medicare as well.

Those stats are trying to make it sound like these people are 30 year old healthy, smart, vibrant people working these jobs and are so beat down by "the man" that they have to go on the govt. dole even though they are working their little hearts out.

And that is bullshit. They are skewing those stats. I dare anybody on here to go to Walmart and find a young person working who is on Welfare (and isn't the crippled guy greeting you at the front of the store).

They are taking all the old people (and the handicapped, because Walmart hires them more than any other company) and skewing those stats with the money those folks ALREADY would get from the govt. no matter where they work.

People need to start reading between the lines and seeing the agendas of the people who come up with such bullshit.

The people pushing that Walmart crap are the fucking unions who stand to make hundreds of millions of dollars if they can only get Walmart unionized.

It's misinformation put out to the people to try and bully Walmart.
I guess back in the "old days" the union would have simply had their mafia bosses send in "the boys" and make Walmart an offer they couldn't refuse.

Fucking crooks.

I have tried to help dozens of people over the last 17 years when I first got in this business.

And I came from playing in a touring rock band 7 nights a week, making $200 a week. I LEARNED how to live with that "unlivable wage" (what a crock of shit that term is).

Once I got into the adult entertainment industry I found a million ways to make money online.

Hell, we used to make a fortune selling leads for people to sign up for American Express.

But no matter what I tried to do to help people...not ONE of them listened. Not one.

Not anybody in my family. And not one of my friends.

And I did everything I could to help them...including hiring some of them. And even then, I couldn't get them to take a deep breath and jump into the deep water. They all wanted to be taken care of and get a weekly paycheck.

Stupid.

I never said they should be paid $15. I think they should start out at $10 or $11 with the lower managers making close to $15 (again a manager is a skilled job)

I look at it like this. When I was a teenager in the 80's I had a few fast food jobs till I went to a factory job after HS. The min wage I was paid back then paid for 3.5-4 gallons of gas. Today's min wage barely pays for 2 gallons of gas. So it is clear that the min wage has not went up with the cost of living.

I never said you should be able to fully support yourself on a mcd starting wage...

That is the world in which we live. No one wants to LEARN how to catch a fish. They want you to bust your ass doing all of the work, and then you just GIVE THEM a fish "just because" you can afford to do so.

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Not sure I get your point.

It was the government that set the minimum wage way back then when the economy was booming and continued to do well for quite some time thereafter.

Admittedly, we had a functional government back then, but that's neither here nor there with respect to this discussion.
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If you're working a minimum wage job, you are going to have to sacrifice period.

- Move back home, assuming your parents still alive.
- Get a roommate(s)
- Car pool. Ride the bus.
- Shop at 2nd hand stores
- Use free wi-fi hot spots
- Learn to cook at home and cheaply

My point is, you can easily cut your expenses by 75% if you had too. Most people do not want to make these sacrifices. They would rather drive their OWN car (gas, insurance, car payment) and live in their OWN place (100% of rent, utilities, food, etc.), have their OWN high speed internet connection to check email ($19-50.00/month), be able to eat out at Red Lobster, or order pizza a few times a week, etc..

The point being, you can cut a lot of that out or pool your money for savings to get your own shit or greater buying power. Sure, I did not like doing those things either when I had too, but I did. It can be done. People just do not want to make those sacrifices and instead want a handout so that they can enjoy a standard of living on their terms without working for it.

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