wtf????

You think that the guy asking me if I want to supersize that meal making a "minimum wage has a disparate racial impact and serves only to distort wage signals throughout the economy"

What a load of crap. It's unskilled labor. It's entry level work.

Let that same person put some time in. Let him move up the chain. And if he's really wanting to make a career at McDonalds and he has the drive and ambition he will become a manager. And maybe one day own his own franchise.

But entry level? Seriously? "distort wage signals"???? And the race card??? :1orglaugh

How many guys in this thread would agree with this statement: The Minimum Wage is RACIST?

Here's one guy that agrees (not the future NPR commentator asking the question in the beginning):

NOTE: The first paragraph of the answer echoes L-Pink's comment. Interesting, no?

READ FURTHER, ROBBIE. Minimum wage laws = ARGUABLY the most racist laws on the books. See the video I posted above.

How is McDonalds hiring a young man for minimum wage racist?

If I owned a McDonalds and had to pay $20 to the guy flipping hamburgers, I'm never gonna hire some slack ass teenager.
I'm going to hire a grown man who will EARN that $20.

And then you are going to have even MORE teen and young adult unemployment. And that is going to lead to more crime.

Where do you expect teens and young people to get their first jobs?

"Hi, I'm 17 years old and I would like my first job ever to be a $20 an hour gig screwing around at McDonalds. I would also like the sun and the moon and the stars please".

Funny how the broke, unemployed and labor of the world always seem to think they understand how business works and think they know how to run an economy. GFY is 90% employees or the unemployable. Makes for great entertainment when the subject turns to business. Where is 12clicks when we need him???...

Well, it has a racial element when BECAUSE OF MINIMUM WAGE LAWS, young people with no skills can't be hired. If you are young and have no skills, your output is probably not worth the minimum wage and mandatory benefits and other expenses related to employing you. So, you don't get hired. Most of the guys who suffer this are *DISPROPORTIONATELY* BLACK and ethnic minorities. ABOLISHING MINIMUM WAGE LAWS would do more for racial progress in America than all of Al Sharpton's divisive BS. Indeed, it was labor unions who pushed for minimum wage laws to protect union workers from the low wage price competition of African-Americans. See below for more info:

I can agree with that. I think people should be paid what the market for their skills will bear. No more, no less.

The minimum wage laws have good intentions. But like everything...there are unintended consequences like you just pointed out.

Why then do we see so many black teenagers working fast food jobs if the minimum wage laws according to you stop unskilled minority teenages from being hired?

You are calling for the government to download welfare costs on private industry, which isn't fair. Minimum wage jobs were never meant to support a teenaged mother and child, they were for teenagers living at home and now old people supplementing their pensions.

I just googled and saw this http://money.msn.com/now/post--fast-...-actually-want

Independent fast food chains seem to be paying employees more than the big chains - they can because they don't have the corporate overhead and other costs big chains do. BUT read what the owner of one of these independent places has to say - he runs his restaurant with 4 employees per shift, where McDonalds has 7 or 8. The smaller guy can run a more efficient restaurant than a big franchise chain can. If McDonalds could operate with the same efficiency there would be even less jobs for unskilled young people.

This "68 cents" claim originated from a Huffington Post article last week. It was debunked the next day by the Columbia Journalism Review:


And so HuffPo posted a retraction:

And there you go... reality.

thye can afford to pay more! they need you to take less so they can pay executives 10 million a year! :1orglaugh

Obviously some here have never owned a business employing minimum wage workers.

Listening to you is like having a virgin tell me how good a pussy feels.

Fucking hilarious.

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And if you divided that $10 million equally among the 1/2 million employees McD's has each person would make an additional $20 a year.

Minimum wage has nothing to do with skills. It's a basic minimum wage and raising it would bring people instantly beyond the point where they could qualify for social welfare. Get behind it and you'll save money.

That's completely untrue. It would instantly eliminate entry level jobs and devalue skilled workers who had put in years and risen up the chain through promotions.

A person should be paid according to their skill level. Not one penny more. Unskilled labor should be paid accordingly. Skilled labor should be rewarded accordingly.

You don't "save money" by paying people more than they are worth.

At $20 an hour, we'll have to switch GFY to GSY (Go Stuff Yourself) bc adult won't be worth it if you can make that flippin' burgers.

The OP's arguments are extremely misleading which I am sure he is just repeating.

First, the prices are not staying the same, they grow as our economy grows. I worked 2 fast food jobs, one in high school and one in college. They earn almost twice now what I did.

Secondly, it sounds like there's a ton of single moms working fast food which is just not the case. That demographic is a very small number of over all fast food workers. Look up "New York Time's demographics in fast food."

Flipping burgers, dropping fries, and filling drinks are not meant to be careers. Those jobs are for high schoolers looking for summer jobs and first time jobs to build skills.

somebody has to make peanuts right? that's what the world is based on. some companies like consumer cellular give back.

If the minimum wage went to $38,000 the unemployment numbers would soar.

75% of all new jobs are created by small business. 50% of all workers are employed by small businesses. Most small businesses would fail or never get launched if entry level jobs started at such an absurd figure.

All your boarder line restaurant franchises as well as mom&pop locations would fold. So would a large percentage of franchised McDonalds.

But hey, some dumb 18 year old mother of 2 would be making $38,000 a year selling $10. Big Macks to a declining cliental. Wonderful.


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$15-$20 per hour working at MCDs? hell no but I do think they should pay more than the $7 they are paying them currently in places like NYC. The cost of living has went up so much yet the wages earned hasn't.

I say $10 or $11 per hour starting wage would help a lot of people without ill effects.


BTW I'm not sure who said it and I don't feel like looking back a page to quote but someone said that his wife was paid $6.50 per hour as she went through college and he made like $8 per hour.. When was this 10 or 15 years ago? 10 years ago gas cost $1.40 per gallon

Study some economics, specifically read about the marginal value of labor. You're welcome.

They wouldn't cost $10 because you can only charge what the market will bear. Also the mom making $8 bucks you are paying for her. Also its funny people in an industry that depends on discretionary income. Wants those wages not to go up when they are being the new normal for jobs available.

That's right. someone does. The good news, is this is still America. No one is forced to work for minimum wage.

The only challenge is they actually have to put forth some effort. Tech schools, colleges, apprenticeships. There is opportunity everywhere.

"you can only charge what the market will bear" EXACTLY!! And if your cost of doing business is higher that your profit margins guess what? You close the the store, everyone is out of a job.

Ever do business projections Tony? Ever own a retail store? Ever try and plug in $38,000 as a starting wage in a service oriented business and see a positive bottom line?

Impossible. A dream. American consumers won't pay for it.


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gotta raise everybody's pay in the chain if you raise the min wage up that much. what"s the manager currenty make? 25-45k? so raise the manager's pay, then his/her pay will start getting to close to the general manager's pay, she'll need a raise, and so on.

Christ. I've never seen more people so concerned over the price of a damn big mac.

In the half dozen or so businesses I've had over the past 30 years not once have I ever paid minimum wage, nor would I ever. Treating your employees well pays dividends well beyond the few bucks an hour you're saving. There are two kinds of workers, those who hate their job and will do anything to not have to be there, and those who like their job. The former don't give a damn about your business, will steal any chance they get, trash the company to customers, etc, etc, etc. The latter is an asset who takes pride in their work, they feel good about their job and customers also pick up on that. Right now I only employ 9 people, its not much but I sleep better knowing they don't go home starving every night.

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You have to remember also, if a person is making $15-20 hr, it is costing the company in taxes, SS, unemployment and another $8-10/hr. So that paying that person $15-20 is costing the company $22-30/hr. They will also want healthcare to be provided with will cost the company another $6/hr. So now that uneducated person is costing $30-38/hr.

No small business can afford that and a large business will not eat the cost, the consumer will.

There is no way any educated person with common sense can think this will be good. I just do not see any good that can come.

A person is paid what they are worth, not what they are entitled to.

100% agree, except I do not eat mcdonalds, Crap will kill you. Always paid my people more, actually way more because I would rather have 3 good employees instead of 6 bad ones.

you guys paying completely unskilled labor more, think that creates not only improved performance but loyalty?

first hand experience has shown me that kicks in the entitlement gene bigtime and creates zero incentive to perform better. why should they, they're already making more than they should and they know it.

This is seriously the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time, have you ever had a job? You obviously don't now since all you do is post idiotic shit on here day and night, but have you ever?

You can't compare service industry jobs to manufacturing jobs. wtf

A big mac isnt worth 68 cents more. None of that fast food shit is even worth what it costs now.

no, i've never had a job. brilliant observation einstein.

however, i've hired and fired shitheads like you often.

what's so fucking funny about this is how fast you turned into a shithead.

simply asked if it created loyalty and better perf because in my experience, paying absolutely completely unskilled labor more money because i want to sleep better backfires everytime

Doubt that. Especially if you think paying people less makes them work harder. Makes me think you've never been exposed to any type of work environment.

Are you collecting SSI for downs syndrome? Tell me if you are, I don't like making fun of sick people.

when did i say paying people less makes sense? now your just making shit up to try and insult. i mean really.


i pay people what they earn. i know that's a bizarre concept to you, you need your beauty sleep so you gotta pay off everyone around you, i get it.

paying completely unskilled labor more money so you can sleep better?

and you're trying to claim you're a business owner?


hahahahahahaha

jtfc.

wow that is the the dumbest reply in this thread! Congrats :thumbsup

Now again I don't think they should be making $15-20 per hour but I do think they deserve more than $7 per hour in 2013. You get what you pay for. Pay a guy $7 and they will not give a shit cause it might cost them more in gas and babysitting than it's worth to work. Pay them $10 or $11 and they will care more about not spitting in your next sandwich..

I haven't worked a job in over 10 yrs besides adult but before that I worked 15+ years. When I was 14 I washed dishes for my grandmas restaurant. When I was 16 I did a few min wage fast food jobs that started at like $3.35 back in 1986. In 1991 I started a factory job for $7.50 per hour. In 2002 when I quit that factory job I was making $13 per hour.

again, i pay people what they earn. how is that so hard for some of you to read? and my reply is the dumb one? lolololol

what's so fucking funny about your post is that i was simply asking a question about other's experience and stating my own.

if you think that's dumb, well,..not sure what else to say about that. you and thunderballs can hang out.