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PornoMonster 08-04-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19745476)
the biggest hurdle to owning and operating a small business is surviving the taxes the first few years.. . I know the first 2 years I was in business taxes lifted almost every penny of my cash surplus :2 cents:

Exactly, and if you Hire someone... Wow the taxes you have to pay..

Now I know why there are so many independent contractors and people pay that way only...

SuckOnThis 08-04-2013 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19745613)
Saw a guy on the news late last night saying that there are 3 million TRADE jobs available in the U.S. right now. But people aren't qualified to take them.

He said that Caterpillar is practically begging for qualified heavy engine mechanics right now. Pay STARTS in the $40,000 + range. After 2 years you can be making $120,000 a year.

But there aren't enough trained people who went to a vocational "tech" school as opposed to a university to fill those positions.

And the irony is that vo-tech schools are really cheap and easy to get in.

He also pointed out that people who learn "trades" can't be "outsourced". You can't outsource that mechanic to China. You can't outsource a plumber that comes to your home to fix a leak (and if you've hired one lately then you KNOW they make great money).

If people don't want to work an entry level fast food job that is designed for high school kids...there are options to become a SKILLED laborer and learn a trade and make a great living.

Also...everyone over 18 should start voting and get rid of all these lifetime politicians who are magically rich while the country goes to hell and nobody can find a good job...and even if they do they get taxed almost half of everything they make (sales, local, state, fed)


I saw the same guy a few weeks ago saying the same thing. The gist of it was that kids these days don't think its cool to go to a trade school or to work those types of jobs and from what I've seen I agree. Kids these days are so narcissistic they all think they're going to be famous or that they'll make a million dollars a year playing video games.

Robbie 08-04-2013 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19745629)
Exactly, and if you Hire someone... Wow the taxes you have to pay..

Now I know why there are so many independent contractors and people pay that way only...

Yep you have to pay matching social security taxes for every employee. The govt. double dips on it. (and still can't manage to keep social security from going bankrupt in the near future)

Of course all these anonymous people on here who claim to be big "businessmen" in the U.S. and have all these employees...seem to not have knowledge of that.

Nope, they just go out of their way to pay UNSKILLED workers (though why anyone in the tech industry would have unskilled or unexperienced people doesn't make any sense) far more than minimum wage...just so they can "feel good" about it.

Yeah, right.

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Dirty D 08-04-2013 09:05 AM

If you want to make more money, increase your skill set.

There are two ways for people to earn money.

1. Work Hard

2. Work Smart

Business Owners have to do both.

Grapesoda 08-04-2013 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 19745516)
I worked at McDonalds as a kid, the majority of the people I worked with fit into two categories:

A) Kid in high school that needed a job with flexible hours
B) Adult that didn't or barely finished High School and didn't do shit with their lives

In most cases the workers from A were the ones that actually worked the hardest. Now, of course, this was 20+ years ago, and many kids I see these days are lazy fucks too because of Mommy and Daddy putting them on a pedestal and telling them constantly that their shit doesn't stink. So hard work never enters their blood stream.

With all of this said there was an article posted back in march that has resonated with me since I first read it back then.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...t-you-pay-for/

Harold Myerson writes in a terrific piece published in today?s WashPo?

?One lesson that emerges from the experience of low-end retailers is that putting workers in crummy, low-wage jobs tends to yield crummy service as well. McDonald?s earnings have fallen, the Wall Street Journal reports, and a management webcast to franchise owners acknowledged that customer dissatisfaction is rising in part because ?service is broken.? Myerson adds, ?Some of the most successful retailers follow a different path. As MIT management professor Zeynep Ton argued in Harvard Business Review last year, Costco and Trader Joe?s pay their workers far more than many of their competitors, offer their employees opportunities for promotion and enjoy markedly lower worker turnover and far higher sales per employee than their low-road counterparts. Sales per employee at Costco are nearly double that at Sam?s Club.(emphasis added)?


One of those things that makes you go hmmmm...

in and out as well... the workers at Costco seems very happy to be working there for sure.... HOWEVER not really sure the business model will work in fast food due to quantities involved... you can't blow out big box sales on cheeseburgers AND you can force vendors to drop their pricing...

BTW I tired this with my staff with mixed result... one girl got hooked on dope with the higher income and became completely unreliable... several others viewed be as a soft touch and fucked me over :2 cents:

Dirty D 08-04-2013 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 19745491)
Well you can certainly tell in this thread who has, or had owned a small business, and who hasn't. :2 cents:

Exactly QFT

woj 08-04-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19745635)
Be careful what you ask for ... you might just get it ...
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some McDonalds actually outsourced drive through order taking to a call center in a different state... next logical step is to outsource it to India... :2 cents:

[http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/11/te...nted=all&_r=0]

Grapesoda 08-04-2013 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19745642)
some McDonalds actually outsourced drive through order taking to a call center in a different state... next logical step is to outsource it to India... :2 cents:

[http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/11/te...nted=all&_r=0]

many places do that... great biz to own is my thinking

dyna mo 08-04-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 19745447)
So your whole economic experience comes from eating chicken at KFC today...what a special gift you have. Are you also able to solve your towns infrastructure issues by peering your head out of your moms trailer?


wait, so you try to zing me for sharing a funny& timely anecdotal one time experience that was made in jest, then you write this like you are some sort of expert.

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 19745633)
I saw the same guy a few weeks ago saying the same thing. The gist of it was that kids these days don't think its cool to go to a trade school or to work those types of jobs and from what I've seen I agree. Kids these days are so narcissistic they all think they're going to be famous or that they'll make a million dollars a year playing video games.


jtfc, you fucking trolls are not old enough to post here. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dynastoned 08-04-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19745474)
Robbie most of these guys don't realize the amount of work it takes to move ahead, the guys pulling down big bucks that I know are working 80+ hours a week.. a big time CEO has his day slotted out in 15 min increments with meetings all day long, usually 12+ hour days...

my business took me years to set up at 80 hours a week plus... even now I don't really make that much. six figures is all ... day before yesterday I worked 4am until 10pm and only netted $1900... and almost 47.3% of that goes out to taxes.

so a guy working 40 hours a week serving up tacos, and not even very well, should have everything I've worked my ass of for... amazing

this theory that money somehow created itself and then was stolen by the rich and needs to be returned damn quick is what your seeing and the thought that a big screen TV is guaranteed on the constitution... :2 cents:

:thumbsup:2 cents::2 cents:

SuckOnThis 08-04-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19745707)
wait, so you try to zing me for sharing a funny& timely anecdotal one time experience that was made in jest, then you write this like you are some sort of expert.

Exactly. And maybe today after you're finished helping your step dad change the alternator in his Ford LTD you can come back and tell us everything thats wrong with Detroit.

:1orglaugh

dyna mo 08-04-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 19745760)
Exactly. And maybe today after you're finished helping your step dad change the alternator in his Ford LTD you can come back and tell us everything thats wrong with Detroit.

:1orglaugh

ok, back from getting that alternater changed, takes about 15 minutes, i've changed plenty, it sits right on top

and sure, i can help you out understanding what's wrong with detroit, fuck, i can school you on that with 1 word

cupholders.


now go fuck yourself.

winter_ 08-05-2013 01:10 AM

if they can afford to, why not. but then it might be successful and it will help their business because i will see another mcdonalds open up two blocks down the road from the other one. :upsidedow

Stephen 08-05-2013 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19744738)
If you have never owned a small business employing minimum wage workers you don't realize most are over-paid at minimum wage.

Maybe the problem is under educated young females with children. Fix that PERSONAL problem before telling a business owner to help rectify their piss poor life decesions.

+1 there

Barefootsies 08-05-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19744738)
Maybe the problem is under educated young females with children. Fix that PERSONAL problem before telling a business owner to help rectify their piss poor life decesions.

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19745024)
Obviously some here have never owned a business employing minimum wage workers.

Listening to you is like having a virgin tell me how good a pussy feels.

Fucking hilarious.


BFT3K 08-06-2013 11:42 AM

The Magical World Where McDonald's Pays $15 an Hour?

STORY HERE

DomainPimpMark 08-06-2013 11:48 AM

As far as I'm concerned, McD's fine dining, pay dem hoes what dey worf.

Rochard 08-06-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19745623)
Rochard...I'd like a quarter pounder with cheese combo please. Make it large with coke to drink, and an apple pie as well. See ya at the drive up window. lol :)

WOULD YOU LIKE FRIES WITH THAT ROBBIE?

lol!

Robbie 08-06-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19748650)
The Magical World Where McDonald's Pays $15 an Hour?

STORY HERE

From that story:
"So how exactly do McDonald's and other chains manage to turn a profit abroad while paying an hourly wage their American workers can only fantasize about while picketing? Part of the answer, as you might expect, boils down to higher prices. Academic estimates have suggested that, worldwide, worker pay accounts for at least 45 percent of a Big Mac's cost."

It also has a chart on that page that shows the cost of a Big Mac in different areas of the world.

So much for "Magical" :1orglaugh

Rochard 08-06-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19745642)
some McDonalds actually outsourced drive through order taking to a call center in a different state... next logical step is to outsource it to India... :2 cents:

[http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/11/te...nted=all&_r=0]

Oh no.

We have a Panda Express with a drive through, and I can't do the drive through any more - I can't handle a Mexican trying to do Asian food in broken English with a Spanish accent... At least not without laughing.

_Richard_ 08-06-2013 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19748668)
Oh no.

We have a Panda Express with a drive through, and I can't do the drive through any more - I can't handle a Mexican trying to do Asian food in broken English with a Spanish accent... At least not without laughing.

all 'chinese' food down yonder is gross

signupdamnit 08-06-2013 11:53 AM

There are other reasons but the biggest reason is basically that many people on the right would be jealous of the fast food workers. True, if you stop and think about it.

pornguy 08-06-2013 12:01 PM

So now they will get 15$ an hour to do as little as they can and bitch about still not making enough.

and if you think thats the only increase will be about 68 cents you are quite wrong.

BFT3K 08-06-2013 12:01 PM

Millions of additional people making more money equals millions of people with extra money to buy things.

I sell things, so that helps me and my business out a whole bunch. Not sure how things work on the other side of reality.

Jel 08-06-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buncha (Post 19745010)
This "68 cents" claim originated from a Huffington Post article last week. It was debunked the next day by the Columbia Journalism Review:

And so HuffPo posted a retraction:
Quote:

By the reckoning of Bonnie Riggs, a restaurant industry analyst at market information and advisory firm the NPD Group

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/763888/thu...large640.jpg?4 :thumbsup

Robbie 08-06-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19748683)
Millions of additional people making more money equals millions of people with extra money to buy things.

I sell things, so that helps me and my business out a whole bunch. Not sure how things work on the other side of reality.

Because millions of people doing a skilled job and legit making more money WOULD do that.

Forcing a business to pay unskilled labor that kind of money for entry level jobs isn't going to do anything but raise prices. Dude...what are you thinking?

And by the way...teenagers wouldn't buy memberships to our paysites anyway.

kane 08-06-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19748683)
Millions of additional people making more money equals millions of people with extra money to buy things.

I sell things, so that helps me and my business out a whole bunch. Not sure how things work on the other side of reality.

The thought is that if you start paying McDonald's employees $15 per hour then the guy who is making $15 per hour for a much harder job will want $25 per hour and the guy making $25 per hour will want $40.

It won't be long until wages go up across the board and with them prices will go up across the board, so you might have more money in your pocket, but everything costs more so you don't have any real increased buying power.

Barefootsies 08-06-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19748858)
And by the way...teenagers wouldn't buy memberships to our paysites anyway.

Correct. Nor are die hard democrats going to magically flip to become a republican, among many other examples. The point being, that you should focus your time and energy on those who are WILLING to pay for porn. Stop wasting your time with those who won't or don't. It's a fool's errand.

Clips4Sale has proven for a decade plus that people are willing to pay for porn, and even pay more for a single clip than a monthly membership costs with access to hundreds or thousands of clips for the same money. You should be focusing in on THOSE paying customers instead of trying to force free loaders and broke ass jokes into paying.

:2 cents:

rocky1234 08-06-2013 02:01 PM

I don't really see the problem with paying people $15 per hour to flip burgers. That's still subsistence level in the united states.they not gonna get rich. but the thing is, as long as there are people that will work for less then the companys have no incentive to increase the pay.

Barefootsies 08-06-2013 02:05 PM

A hundred and fiddy people looking for government handouts and entitlements.

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Originally Posted by rocky1234 (Post 19748874)
as long as there are people that will work for less then the companys have no incentive to increase the pay.

As long as there is endless government handouts, most will do the bare minimum of work to get their monthly stipends. I know it's a novel concept and all, but if you want more money, or nice things you should have to..... I dunno..... WORK FOR IT like the rest of us have had too.

Why should I bust my fucking ass for 15 plus years working 12-18 hour days 7 days a week to be taxed like a mofo just to give some lazy asshole who makes poor life choices a bunch of freebies for doing next to nothing to actually EARN them in any way shape or form!?!?!?

:disgust

Robbie 08-06-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky1234 (Post 19748874)
I don't really see the problem with paying people $15 per hour to flip burgers. That's still subsistence level in the united states.they not gonna get rich. but the thing is, as long as there are people that will work for less then the companys have no incentive to increase the pay.

Uh...there have been tons of replies in this thread saying what the problem is.

And also...if it was such a great idea and would make the economy better...then why wouldn't companies already just hand a fucking UNSKILLED laborer $15 to do an entry level job? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe...that people who actually own those businesses might know a little better than politicians and GFY pundits?

Barefootsies 08-06-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19748878)
Don't you think that maybe, just maybe...that people who actually own those businesses might know a little better than politicians and GFY pundits?

As these threads have shown over the years, most of those who keep cheering for government handouts do not even understand the TRUE COST of an employee to a business, even at the minimum wage level, much less adding on another $10.00 per hour.

:disgust

Grapesoda 08-06-2013 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19748876)
A hundred and fiddy people looking for government handouts and entitlements.



As long as there is endless government handouts, most will do the bare minimum of work to get their monthly stipends. I know it's a novel concept and all, but if you want more money, or nice things you should have to..... I dunno..... WORK FOR IT like the rest of us have had too.

Why should I bust my fucking ass for 15 plus years working 12-18 hour days 7 days a week to be taxed like a mofo just to give some lazy asshole who makes poor life choices a bunch of freebies for doing next to nothing to actually EARN them in any way shape or form!?!?!?

:disgust

strange to see you post something like this Chris... tend to think of you as in the 'other camp' and always wondered about that since I had considered you a worker :2 cents:

Grapesoda 08-06-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19748878)
Uh...there have been tons of replies in this thread saying what the problem is.

And also...if it was such a great idea and would make the economy better...then why wouldn't companies already just hand a fucking UNSKILLED laborer $15 to do an entry level job? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe...that people who actually own those businesses might know a little better than politicians and GFY pundits?

Robbie very few politicians have ever worked, Obama being a prime example ...

Barefootsies 08-06-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19748896)
strange to see you post something like this Chris... tend to think of you as in the 'other camp' and always wondered about that since I had considered you a worker

Sorry champ, I am a business owner, not a hobbyist. Meaning I have paid my dues many times over to achieve success.

Unlike these people who want $15.00 for flipping a burger, I have actually busted my fucking ass over the years to get to the position in life I am at now and reap the rewards of my hard work. I put in a lot of long hours for years, and sacrificed, to achieve my goals. Why should I be happy about being taxed so that freeloaders get to enjoy a life of entitlements? I think not.

If you want to achieve a certain comfortable standard of living, you WORK FOR IT.

:2 cents:

BFT3K 08-06-2013 02:39 PM

The government handouts have greatly contributed to this problem, but not in the way many of you would like to steer the narrative.

If businesses were punished, rather than rewarded for outsourcing US labor and manufacturing, they would require US workers to produce their products.

US workers would then have more money to buy said products, and in the end life could be better for everyone.

Instead, a false argument has become reality to many, and even though it doesn't make a stitch of sense, you blame the poor for being poor, rather than the true culprits.

Barefootsies 08-06-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19748926)
If businesses were punished, rather than rewarded for outsourcing US labor and manufacturing, they would require US workers to produce their products.

So........... you want to punish the successful for the failures of others who made poor life choices?

:helpme

Robbie 08-06-2013 02:43 PM

BFT3K you are all over the map now.

This is a discussion about people taking your order at the drive thru window at a fast food joint.
Totally entry level, unskilled labor.

If they work their way up the chain and become a manager...then yes they do make good money as they should.

And the only reason that businesses outsource anything is because it is cheaper. And the reason it is cheaper is because of govt. interference in the market.

And you proclaiming things to be "false arguments" does not make it so. It just means that it's your opinion and not based on YOU yourself owning a business that hires unskilled labor (mostly teens) to do entry level work.

blackmonsters 08-06-2013 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 19744978)
How many guys in this thread would agree with this statement: The Minimum Wage is RACIST?

Here's one guy that agrees (not the future NPR commentator asking the question in the beginning):

NOTE: The first paragraph of the answer echoes L-Pink's comment. Interesting, no?

Pure fucking garbage.

What he is really advocating is that blacks get the same job but be paid less for it because the government(which has no responsibility according to him) is responsible for bad schools that black people go to.

:1orglaugh

You want to see racism? Then do away with the minimum wage and watch white teens suffer no jobs because employers think Blacks and Hispanics will work for less.

:2 cents:


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