Stealing Content Was Getting Harder So Manwin Is Trying To Change The Rules

[mikesouth]

Read the whole thing at (Theres lots more)

http://www.mikesouth.com

Times are tough in porn and even the tube sites are beginning to feel the pinch, seems they have stolen about all they can steal and now new content that gets uploaded gets a DMCA request to get it taken down about as quick as it goes up, so Manwin?s tube sites aren?t getting the new content they need to keep it profitable. That pesky DMCA law has become a real thorn in their side.
So now Manwin figures that they can re-write the law with their own rules. Now if you want a video removed from one of Manwin?s tube sites you have to use a specific form one that includes a captcha code and only allows one submission at a time.

http://www.copyrightcomplianceagency...keezmovies.com (Here is an Example for Keezmovies)

This is a clear effort to thwart companies like RemoveYourContent and TakeDownPiracy, who in the past would send a DMCA with dozens of videos at a time that were supposedly ?user uploaded? over the last 24 hours or so. They would email it to the copyright email address and Manwin would have to remove the offending posts. This was starting to put a hurt on the traffic, because the new content was being removed as quickly as it went up.

[CAHEK]

[Juicy D. Links]

I wuz here

[trevesty]

Other tube sites that aren't owned by Manwin do this also I've noticed.

[Markul]

So that's what the teaser was all about.

[ReggieDurango]

If I had a sig, I would park it RIGHT THE FUCK HERE! hahaha

[geedub]

*crickets*

[OldJeff]

Holy fucking wow, such breaking news, such masterful investigative reporting......

Holy WHO FUCKING CARES

[L-Pink]

Make sure to read the full article.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by Markul

So that's what the teaser was all about.

Yes but read it all and note that there is a lot more coming on Manwin this week...it all plays together too.

[Klen]

So DMCA-ing competition is now way to beat them in rankings ?Lovely.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Holy fucking wow, such breaking news, such masterful investigative reporting......

Holy WHO FUCKING CARES

people who are smart enough to use this information care a great deal....kinda like that Myla Sinannaj sex tape story but with lots more $$$ at stake

[tokmansta]

i was in this thread

[CaptainHowdy]

[adultmobile]

Devils's advocate:



Forms with captcha replaces plain emails as a standard upgrade. This is made by anyone handling many submissions over internet. A form may track easier (than email) a bigger volume of requests, since it can automatically insert a standard set of data (from form fields) in databases or support systems. Emails can add tracking numbers in body or subjects, but are vulnerable to spam and misses standard fields. Captcha in forms is required to avoid spam bots, and for same reason there could be delays and double checks for unreasonably quick (non-human, or malivcious) resubmissions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_techniques
"Contact forms allow users to send email by filling out forms in a web browser."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_(HTML)
"A webform, web form or HTML form on a web page allows a user to enter data that is sent to a server for processing"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA
"A CAPTCHA, is a type of challenge-response test used in computing to determine whether or not the user is human."

[AdultKing]

If you want to remove stuff from Google you use a form, if you want to remove stuff from Tumblr you use a form with Captcha, if you want to remove stuff from Yahoo you also use a form with Captcha.

Don't take my word for it, try it yourself:

http://support.google.com/bin/static...ge=ts.cs&&rd=1

https://www.microsoft.com/info/FormForSearch.aspx

https://www.tumblr.com/dmca

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Devils's advocate:

Forms with captcha replaces plain emails as a standard upgrade. This is made by anyone handling many submissions over internet. A form may track easier (than email) a bigger volume of requests, since it can automatically insert a standard set of data (from form fields) in databases or support systems. Emails can add tracking numbers in body or subjects, but are vulnerable to spam and misses standard fields. Captcha in forms is required to avoid spam bots, and for same reason there could be delays and double checks for unreasonably quick (non-human, or malivcious) resubmissions.

.....

Ya except THESE forms DONT allow multiple submissions....its one URL at a time

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Holy fucking wow, such breaking news, such masterful investigative reporting......

Holy WHO FUCKING CARES

It's possible that the new provisions are in place to streamline the DMCA takedown requests (to make it easier for Manwin) or to create very clear and legal takedown instances, or it can also be put in place to make things harder for content owners too because let's face it, it should be alot easier than it already is.

Regardless, "WHO FUCKING CARES" should be you. People used to blame the economy AND tube sites for drop in sales but now it appears that tube sites are more and more to blame. Your sales, whatever they are, are at the very least partially reduced by tube sites, and even more by illegal tube sites. Business for content providers has also become tougher because models are becoming concerned about the inability to effectively have content removed by these sites. It is a serious problem that deserves your attention.

[mikesouth]

I expect Nate or Eric or both will chime in here with more.

[Wizzo]

What happened with the Streamate/Manwin story from October? Any updates?

[TheSquealer]

This again proves how fucking retarded you are.

You know nothing of the subject you are talking about... so let me help you. If you submit 100 videos that you own 100% - many of them will be removed in 30-60 days because of false positives and false reports. Take down services all work very poorly and use automation to flood tubes with DMCA requests, a great deal of which are not valid.

This is easy to test you fucking idiot... of course, you don't care about facts or truth, so why would you?

[TheSquealer]

What annoys me is that this industry is so full of inept fucking retards, that really all there will ever be is complaining and finger pointing and blame. tubes have been here now for almost 10 FUCKING YEARS and here you morons are. "tubes are bad"... blah blah blah... time to go get stoned.

What is your plan to change the thing you don't like besides pointless bitching and complaining and blaming?????

.......... <crickets!>

[nexcom28]

So what happens next. Who's the big attorneys that's going to use this against them?

[OldJeff]

Originally Posted by **********

It's possible that the new provisions are in place to streamline the DMCA takedown requests (to make it easier for Manwin) or to create very clear and legal takedown instances, or it can also be put in place to make things harder for content owners too because let's face it, it should be alot easier than it already is.

Regardless, "WHO FUCKING CARES" should be you. People used to blame the economy AND tube sites for drop in sales but now it appears that tube sites are more and more to blame. Your sales, whatever they are, are at the very least partially reduced by tube sites, and even more by illegal tube sites. Business for content providers has also become tougher because models are becoming concerned about the inability to effectively have content removed by these sites. It is a serious problem that deserves your attention.

Tubes have absolutely no negative effect on my business, but then again as I have said time and again, I sell the perception of something that cannot be gotten for free. Actual content is the lowest common denominator in this business.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Tubes have absolutely no negative effect on my business, but then again as I have said time and again, I sell the perception of something that cannot be gotten for free. Actual content is the lowest common denominator in this business.

Just worth Quoting in case someone missed it...

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

What happened with the Streamate/Manwin story from October? Any updates?

Interesting question the more I looked into these guys, particularly the Panamanians the more I found companies like Armitech (ex KGB arms dealers) the more i got into that the more I realized I wasn't going to chase that shit down....i turned over what I had to the proper persons and left that leg of it alone....sometimes discretion is the better part of valor ya know.

[sandman!]

im no attorney but i dont see anything in the dmca law that says you are required to take complaints by email.

i might be wrong tho

just because most companies take them by email does not mean you have to.

[CT-Content]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

If you want to remove stuff from Google you use a form, if you want to remove stuff from Tumblr you use a form with Captcha, if you want to remove stuff from Yahoo you also use a form with Captcha.

Thank you, Stephen Hawking !

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by sandman!

im no attorney but i dont see anything in the dmca law that says you are required to take complaints by email.

i might be wrong tho

just because most companies take them by email does not mean you have to.

if you receive a properly formed complaint, you must deal with it, regardless of how you receive it.

not commenting on the subject matter of this thread, just on your post

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

What is your plan to change the thing you don't like besides pointless bitching and complaining and blaming?????

.......... <crickets!>

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by PR_Phil

if you receive a properly formed complaint, you must deal with it, regardless of how you receive it.

not commenting on the subject matter of this thread, just on your post

Read my post on my blog it's there

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

If you want to remove stuff from Google you use a form, if you want to remove stuff from Tumblr you use a form with Captcha, if you want to remove stuff from Yahoo you also use a form with Captcha.

Don't take my word for it, try it yourself:

http://support.google.com/bin/static...ge=ts.cs&&rd=1

https://www.microsoft.com/info/FormForSearch.aspx

https://www.tumblr.com/dmca

I am told that all of these ALSO respond to email requests with multiple urls for takedown.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

A few interesting tidbits in the Mike South article...

The Law:

(ii) Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site.

It would appear that someone may be able to challenge the practice of submitting one title, one form at a time.

Degban was set up by Manwin because takedownpiracy and removeyourcontent refused to take on Manwin companies as clients. So Degban does DMCA requests for the Manwin owned companies.

Now if you haven’t figured it out yet there is a clear connection here that Manwin owns Degban. To further that connection consider that Degban DMCA’s all the other tube sites EXCEPT the ones owned by Manwin, because those DMCA requests ultimately cause google to rank a tube site lower thus hurting the search engine result placement (SERP)

I did not know that Manwin owns Degban (I almost did business with them).



ADG

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I did not know that Manwin owns Degban (I almost did business with them).



ADG

I didnt either till this weekend when i started connecting the dots but to his credit Nate called it months ago...

[Jamie Gardner]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Take down services all work very poorly and use automation to flood tubes with DMCA requests, a great deal of which are not valid.

A great deal of time of time is spent verifying tube links. Take down notices would be sent much quicker if there was not time spent making sure something is the right movie.

[sandman!]

again im not a attorney but i think i could setup [email protected] as a auto responder that gives people a link to domain.com/abuse/ where the form is.

if a email address is a auto responder then i have received nothing because its not a valid email address that accepts emails.

i have no dog in this fight but what they seem to be doing im pretty sure is 100% legal

im not a attorney tho

Originally Posted by PR_Phil

if you receive a properly formed complaint, you must deal with it, regardless of how you receive it.

not commenting on the subject matter of this thread, just on your post

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by sandman!

again im not a attorney but i think i could setup [email protected] as a auto responder that gives people a link to domain.com/abuse/ where the form is.

if a email address is a auto responder then i have received nothing because its not a valid email address that accepts emails.

i have no dog in this fight but what they seem to be doing im pretty sure is 100% legal

im not a attorney tho

neither am I, but when the US copyright office wrote this:


"The limitations on liability established in this subsection apply to a service provider only if the service provider has designated an agent to receive notifications of claimed infringement described in paragraph (3), by making available through its service, including on its website in a location accessible to the public, and by providing to the Copyright Office, substantially the following information:

(A) the name, address, phone number, and electronic mail address of the agent.

(B) other contact information which the Register of Copyrights may deem appropriate."

they didn't ad in "but those things don't actually have to work".

and when they wrote this:

"A notification of claimed infringement must be a written communication provided to the designated agent of a service provider"

they didn't ad "the notification must be delivered via the infringing parties preferred method of communication"

I don't really think there is anything wrong with the fact they are using a form, for some people it might actually make the process easier, but they still have an obligation to post an email address and accept submissions via that address.

[mikesouth]

Are you guys NOT cluing into the fact that the email address actually goes to Degban? Do you really want to send them all this stuff? Come on y'all I thought the collective IQ here was a bit higher.... or are your heads so far up Fabians ass looking for a peanut that you cant see the shit all around you?

[signupdamnit]

Could it be considered anti-competive behavior in their jurisdiction if they run a competing service (Degban) which isn't subject to the one per form with captcha limitation?

RYC and others might consider looking into a captcha breaking service. I've seen some with 85% accuracy for as little as about $5 per 1000 captcha. You can automate it. It's ridiculous but it would probably work until the scumbags do something else to make it harder for people to remove their content.

I think almost everyone agrees the DMCA is fucked up and it has serious holes. It seems like it was created only to protect the big mainstream players as a sort of compromise with little regard for everyone else.

I have him on ignore but someone quoted him. It's funny to see The Squealor guy constantly in every thread like this chastizing people for bitching when what is he doing?? Bitching about people bitching. Follow your own advice dude.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I did not know that Manwin owns Degban (I almost did business with them).



ADG

i know the owner of Degban personally and i didnt know it either...

Actually i think even he doesnt know it yet.

[adulttraffic]

I'm not a programmer but I think it would be somewhat easy for one to code a system that would take the form data and split it up across multiple "batches" while using a service like
http://decaptcha.biz/ to type in the images for you. Kinda like what spammers do to auto create millions of free email accounts they use to send email with.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by CT-Content

Thank you, Stephen Hawking !

Originally Posted by mikesouth

I thought the collective IQ here was a bit higher....

[alias]

Originally Posted by adulttraffic

I'm not a programmer but I think it would be somewhat easy for one to code a system that would take the form data and split it up across multiple "batches" while using a service like
http://decaptcha.biz/ to type in the images for you. Kinda like what spammers do to auto create millions of free email accounts they use to send email with.

Exactly, just pay some flips to fill the captchas and brute force spam bogus complaints if you care so much. Surely that will fuck them up and end this epic mansouth battle.. .

[brassmonkey]

you talk a lot of shit! you hiring body guards?

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Interesting question the more I looked into these guys, particularly the Panamanians the more I found companies like Armitech (ex KGB arms dealers) the more i got into that the more I realized I wasn't going to chase that shit down....i turned over what I had to the proper persons and left that leg of it alone....sometimes discretion is the better part of valor ya know.

Yeah, I hear the food in the witness re-location program...sucks.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by alias

Surely that will fuck them up and end this epic mansouth battle.. .

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Yeah, I hear the food in the witness re-location program...sucks.

[The Porn Nerd]

How does this help ME and MY company?

(PS: They have these things called "computer programs" that can read Captcha quick as a jack rabbit. FYI)

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Yeah, I hear the food in the witness re-location program...sucks.

EXACTLY LOL


theres not many places I wont go but ex KGB arms dealers is one of em

[Creatine]

Oh Manwin.. What a sneaky rat.