Grapesoda

now that gay marriage has been forced through, and I say that only because it was voted down in the state of California and then overturned in court... i.e. taxation without representation.. . saying that just for laughs of course... heheheh (are liberals for taxation without representation or is that just something that bugs conservatives??????) I'm not even sure I am a conservative, sure don't give one jumping fuck about Jesus and I think only people with ovaries should have an opinion on abortion... sorry I digress...

now you guys are up in arms about Zimmerman and the great black injustices... what are you going to do about it? I can think of no greater tragedy than the internal rot of black culture and the dissolution of the black family structure... ...however personally, I feel no responsibility for the failure of black culture and further more accept NO responsibility for that failure...

but for some reason you guys seem too.... or did I misunderstand... you blame me because I expect personal and moral responsibility from people of any culture... and are angry at me for this injustice? interesting thought isn't it... boy that sure takes you off the hook from taking any action other than calling me names doesn't it?

so here's my question and my challenge:

what are you personally going to do? what actions are you going to take as a man or woman to rectify this great social injustice... I want to know if you are just all loudmouth bullshit talk or are you personally going to step up for the black man.

let's hear it... let's hear about the great personal sacrifices that your going to lay out for the black man... or are you guys just keyboard warriors after all...

signupdamnit

This isn't a politics forum. This isn't Stormfront. What's with all this crap?

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Grapesoda

have you ever read GFY before

deltav

Dude, no matter what anyone says you're going to stick to your I'm-not-a-racist semi-racist beliefs - that's been well established by now. You're just baiting people into arguing with you.

Getting real old seeing the board cluttered with all this shit, hope it blows over soon.

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Liberals know what's best for everybody else because of course they have Bachelor of Arts degrees, they feel all the oppresseds' pain because of course they read a book or saw a movie about it and discussed it a length at a coffee shop or cocktail party. 90% of them wouldn't drive through a ghetto never mind stop and get out and start helping out in whatever way they could.

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Alright then. Damn this ignore feature is really getting a workout today.

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Since you asked, here are some of the things which some liberals are doing, and I presume even some conservatives are doing to contribute time/money/support:



People in other cities can find out where a vigil is taking place near them by Googling "Justice for Trayvon vigil", and 100 city or your city name. There will reportedly be vigils in over 130 cities.

At the vigil there will be opportunities to find out what other groups and individuals are doing, so that you may find other ways to become more involved.

This Vigil event is being organized by the National Action Network . Their website has links to other resources related to social justice as well.

Others wanting to do more can contact a local NAACP chapter, or get involved in some other way.

Voting for elected representatives that share your views on civil rights and social justice, and encouraging them to vote for issues which you support is another way to get involved.

As for me personally, I'm active in trying to stop violence in general by promoting peace in many ways. I've been an activist for decades. I've tried to educate myself, spoken publicly, organized/participated in events, written letters, marched, donated lots of time and money, and I've even been arrested for civil disobedience a handful of times.

So what are conservatives doing to stem all of the violence caused by white people? You do know that more murders are committed by white people than any other race in the US, and that the majority (82%) is white on white murder, right?

What are you personally going to do about that?

We are not in some post-racial utopia, and the dystopia we find ourselves in is no accident. I believe that most people whom consider themselves liberal understand that much of the heavy lifting will have to come from within the black community, however it stands to reason that if people are in solidarity instead of active opposition, that the difficult tasks ahead of the black community will be made easier.



Jackson Browne, Eddie Vedder, John Fogarty join Bruce Springsteen to sing Elvis Costello's Peace Love and Understanding:



I feel sad for bitter hateful people that are blinded by prejudice and ignorance.

Peace and Love,



ADG

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side note:if you dont already go to /pol/ youd probably like there http://boards.4chan.org/pol/

Grapesoda

you had me until this: violence caused by white people? ....that's amazing the way you have distorted the facts... for one thing most murders among people are murders of the same race... you need to be around someone to kill them. and 55% of all murders are black people and 93% of those are committed by black people, which BTW are 13% of the population...so 13% of the population is killing 55% of the people so your statement 'violence caused by white people' is really way the fuck out there... you know that right?

What are you personally going to do about that? -told you I feel absolutely no responsibility for black people, whatever shame you have about yourself I don't feel for myself... maybe some therapy could help you?

post-racial utopia, and the dystopia -I see this a lot, I think this is referred to as gobbledygook in most educated circles.

understand that much of the heavy lifting will have to come from within the black community, however it stands to reason that if people are in solidarity instead of active opposition -this is great stuff where I get confused is this: Zimmerman got a fair and impartial trial, found innocent and that is opposition? there are some serious flaws in your logic here... BTW I haven't seen the 'black community' do any lifting heavy or not.

I feel sad for bitter hateful people that are blinded by prejudice and ignorance. -couldn't help your self could you, you just have to label and name call don't you? anyone that dares to disagree with you...

for the record I'm not blind, not bitter, not hateful and not prejudice, I have no respect for black culture however I have no issues with any skin color at all. FYI my daughter is 1/2 white, my grandson 1/4...



and here is a more representative image of the kid for you...

Grapesoda

actually I'm in the adult biz and the only reason I even notice this stuff is because GFY has become a political activist board...

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Many liberals are good hearted people and well intended. I am liberal on many issues and many of my friends are liberals. However the liberals at the top, the ones who set the agendas and make their "sale" to the rank and file liberals are the most racist hateful people who have ever walked this Earth. They know that their policies and "social justice" efforts are destroying the black community.

BlackCrayon

no matter where people stand they all like to talk and do nothing. liberals, conservatives, libertarians, etc. its so much easier to stand on a soap box than actually getting out there and doing anything.

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BlackCrayon

why the need to labeling people with color. you feel responsibility for white people but not black? why not just people in general one way or another. no one says you have to feel 'responsibility' for anyone but why pick and choose based on race?

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Grapesoda

Many liberals are good hearted people and well intended.
-great post, very unbiased ...

their policies and "social justice" efforts are destroying the black community
-when I worked in TV I worked a few black shows... black from top to bottom... all the authority figures written into the script were white

Grapesoda

hummm........ this the first post you have ever read on GFY? seriously 40% of the threads here are about 'black injustice, black ill treatment, black oppression... now I'm a bad guy because I say I don't feel responsible for black culture?

black people have labeled themselves with the color black, how about this: I have no respect for a culture that abandons their children, treats women with disrespect, has total disdain for education and interacts socially with crude vulgarity... that better?

white people haven't asked me to accept responsibility for them.. . white people aren't demanding respect from me... FYI respect is EARNED, not granted or demanded.. I treat everyone with civility.. you want my respect, you earn it

EddyTheDog

I did not read all of that I will admit - However, it seems to me that a lot of you pick and choose whether you agree with the state or the federal government - It's a 'United States', and it's a major fuck up if you can not even agree on that...

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Grapesoda

yes it is and I notice that these people jump from 'cause to cause' .. I was working a show that had some iron workers there to do some rigging... since I was an iron work as a younger man I had great time with the guys... the usual crap, fuck you blah blah. we all had taken a fall at one time or another and bull shitted about that for a bit... went on for a few days... on the last day one of the older guys told me a story about smuggling bibles into China... that's what told me the guy was a very commented Christen, not the usual sideways out the neck crap you hear from guys like Donny... this guy lived it... I respect that guy...

Grapesoda

oddly enough I have no more control over my government than you do yours, yet I'm continually blamed here at GFY for 'American' bullshit... like for instance in California same sex marriage was voted down, by an official vote of the population of the state... the government tossed that shit out and did what it wanted too ... do I agree with that? do you? so you point the finger at me tell me the USA is fucked up and allude to me being partially to blame...

btw the only reason I mention ssm is because it's the most recent example... plenty others if you care to dig around

BlackCrayon

I wouldn't say 40% of threads here are about black oppression or whatever, however it has increased quite a bit with the trayvon thing. i don't know, maybe i just don't get it as we don't seem to have such problems in canada. maybe its more like the first nations people problem here. they are constantly protesting that they aren't being treated fairly. as far as i see that problem here in canada, sure they got a raw deal in the past and that sucks but if they continue to live on the reserve they have no future. we are all just people, white, black, whatever and we all have a chance to make it or break it and its 99% up to the individual. some have a way better start than others, social programs are important to help those who were not as fortunate to have a decent start in life but i won't be made to feel bad for what happened in the past as i was not a part of it.

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Grapesoda

good points and I agree, tho social programs are as negative as they are positive in some ways... there is nothing stopping anyone in the US from receiving a great education and then using that education to pursue a career here in America, other than unwillingness or lack of aptitude

btw pls send me an email I'll show you a few interesting books... sell at bmbhome dot com

crockett

Did you take over the "mutt" account from someone else? I don't remember you as being such a typical right wing blow hard in the past.

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crockett

That has nothing to do with if they are liberal or conservative.. It's that they are at the top and do what the big money wants..

The only real difference in the right and the left is who is paying them.

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L-Pink

"Justice for Trayvon" And just what does "justice" involve?

Repercussions for Zimmerman who was found to have acted legally under Florida law?

What a crock of shit.

Anyone who expects "Justice" from a court case like this is very naive.

Courthouses aren't built to disperse justice they are built to enforce the law.

Under Florida Law Zimmerman was found not guilty.

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clickhappy

cliff notes? I started reading but it was so boring to read i couldnt finish it all. can you repeat your question in under 2 sentences?

Grapesoda

here we go again: name calling, derogatory labels... you have performed exceptionally well, just as expected

crockett

Not to mention they never get all fussy about black on black crime, much less black on white crime. Seems it's only ever an issue when they can blame a white guy.. Or when a Hispanic can be used as the honorary white guy.

I honestly don't even care to hear about racism complaint s from black people anymore because it's clear they are more racist than the average white person.

Grapesoda

if your that fucking stupid with such a short attention span, what do you want from me?

Grapesoda

that's not PC ... shame on you

crockett

I know I'm judgemental sounding on the forum, it's because I'm very opinionated. Yet I still try to give everyone a fair shake in person. I've been in a lot of black families homes, even bad get tho areas and never had any real issues. (Worked as a contractor for a while).

Yet I've seen enough to know that black people are just as racist as the white people they complain about.

Hence the reason I don't take to kindly to the clear racism coming from the black community regarding the Zimmerman verdict.

L-Pink

Self serving black activists like Sharpton and media that creates rather that reports the news are to blame for this current racial mess.

For their own monetary gain ? Funding/contributions and ratings.

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ThunderBalls

Don't worry, soon enough Jesus will give Floriduh a permanent bath.

Grapesoda

yes I agree... be nice to get actual news without the 'slant'

EddyTheDog

- Same shit different names here...

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L-Pink

How about NBC who purposely altered the 911 tape that helped stir things up?

ALTERED RECORDING released nationally:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black.

ACTUAL:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy -- is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.



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Grapesoda

yes, that on is a major lawsuit for sure... however to get anyone on this board to accept that the news and themselves have been manipulated is almost impossible...
send me an email I show you a cool book about this stuff: sell at bmbhome dot com

clickhappy

"you're"

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crockett

Why do the same people call themselves African American rather than just Americans? If they want to separate themselves in one context why can't others don't the same?

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Hohummmm

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If we want to get anywhere we can't just say they do it so we can too. someone at some point has to take the high road or we just chase our tails.

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Grapesoda

yes I'm shooting and typing one the fly...

Grapesoda

yes I'm shooting and typing one the fly...

he didn't disagree with me about anything, he told me he was bored and wanted me to hand feed him the post...

crockett

The point I was getting at was if they choose to separate themselves from the rest of us based on race, then how can we treat them as not different?

Look at Asians for example. When they come to this country they don't call themselves Asian American. They call themselves Americans if they were born here or became a citizen.

Meanwhile the two biggest groups of race batters in the US both separate themselves by calling themselves African American and Latino Americans.

The point being don't be mad if others treat different if you yourself try to make yourself different.

Grapesoda

unfortunately there is nothing we can do BECAUSE the liberal press pushes this agenda, in fact the press has even decided that illegal alien is not a proper definition any longer and now illegal aliens can only be referred to as 'undocumented works or undocumented Americans' .... here's my actual though on the matter: if you don't like it here or disagree with our culture, go home

Grapesoda

another thing is the blacks think they have a hard life here... let them go to asia and try and sort that shit out.. that is a hard fucking life and the Asians here are damn glad to be Americans.

epitome

I think people like you are just freaking out because you're becoming more and more of a minority by the day.

And I am not talking racial or anything else, but instead your thinking.

epitome

Guess you've never heard of Appalachia. Way to stereotype as usual.

Grapesoda

Asia is much hard than Appalachia and honestly you don't know a fucking thing about me