Why Government Spying Matters To YOU

[Relentless]

If you are naive enough to think 'I don't do anything illegal, so I have nothing to worry about', do yourself a favor and read this.

http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/we-...thing-to-hide/

[bronco67]

I knew that article would be written by some paranoid full of shit fuckwit.

No one is going to be arresting me for buying a lobster. Go on with your lives people.

[dyna mo]

that article is spot on, i am glad you posted it.

there's nothing wrong with being concerned with what your government is doing.

especially when it comes to snooping and the current government, hell, i wouldn't want those guys in my home for dinner, let alone snooping around on their own/



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[Dankasaur]

How about a Too Long; Didn't Read?

[dyna mo]

i like this quote from that :

Compromise

Some will say that it?s necessary to balance privacy against security, and that it?s important to find the right compromise between the two. Even if you believe that, a good negotiator doesn?t begin a conversation with someone whose position is at the exact opposite extreme by leading with concessions.

And that?s exactly what we?re dealing with. Not a balance of forces which are looking for the perfect compromise between security and privacy, but an enormous steam roller built out of careers and billions in revenue from surveillance contracts and technology. To negotiate with that, we can?t lead with concessions, but rather with all the opposition we can muster.

and the link in that quote

99 Percent Of Booz Allen Hamilton's Revenue Comes From The Federal Government

that is 3.8$ billion of snooping booz does for the government

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...p_ref=business

[JFK]

this is where its all leading to

"Those in power will essentially have what they need to punish anyone they?d like, whenever they choose, as if there were no rules at all."

[xNetworx]

anybody have cliff notes? Should I be worried?

[dyna mo]

this is exactly what i've been concerned about re: this,

as of 2012, according to Washington Technology, a trade publication for government contractors. Only seven companies garnered more money in government contracts that year.

Booz Allen declined to comment for this story.

Booz Allen's profitable relationship with the government is dependent on the company's ability to handle sensitive government information. A securities filing revealed that nearly half of the firm's 25,000 employees have access to information that would cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if leaked, according to the New York Times.

[lezinterracial]

"If the federal government can’t even count how many laws there are, what chance does an individual have of being certain that they are not acting in violation of one of them?"

Exactly, I think they Government wants a reason to arrest whoever they want.

[dyna mo]

and that's only a portion, check this out:

The Washington Post reported in 2010 that there were 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies in 10,000 locations in the United States that are working on counterterrorism, homeland security, and intelligence, and that the intelligence community as a whole includes 854,000 people holding top-secret clearances.

[Relentless]

When a cop pulls you over he can always 'find a reason' to detain you legally for an hour. This kind of snooping broadens that ability and puts it in the hands of independent, for profit, contractors who can use federal agents by proxy to detain you for days, weeks, months or years.

When the government killed 'foreigners' with drones nobody said much. When they killed an American citizen with a drone people started to get it. This is the next step in the Gitmotization of our legal system, where anything you have ever said to anyone or thought aloud can be parsed by computers to cross-reference tens of thousands of obscure regulations for the sole purpose of finding a reason to arrest or detain you indefinitely.

All in the name of 'security'

[pimpmaster9000]

they do what ever the fuck they want to you and you let them get away with it and vote for the same 2 parties for decades and decades...you give them no reason to be better...

[Best-In-BC]

Its the slippery slop we're on, sry, but I must be one of the few who grew up being told stories about the war so I learned why this is a problem, but I guess now that all the vets are gone, it's time to try to remove our freedoms again, and whats really too bad is America, the one with a beautiful constitution is the most freedom-less country. They worry about there guns but they have already lost everything else.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

they do what ever the fuck they want to you and you let them get away with it and vote for the same 2 parties for decades and decades...you give them no reason to be better...

QFT +1





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[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Relentless

If you are naive enough to think 'I don't do anything illegal, so I have nothing to worry about', do yourself a favor and read this.

http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/we-...thing-to-hide/

Very well written and totally correct IMHO.





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[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that article is spot on, i am glad you posted it.

there's nothing wrong with being concerned with what your government is doing.

especially when it comes to snooping and the current government, hell, i wouldn't want those guys in my home for dinner, let alone snooping around on their own/



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yes I'm positive that Obama and his government are completely corrupted.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yes I'm positive that Obama and his government are completely corrupted.

Yep when the NSA was doing this is 1975, he was behind it. And the right was for it before they were against it.
https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=t27ie4qFlXM

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yes I'm positive that Obama and his government are completely corrupted.

i can understand why you would reach that conclusion.

i don't think the *obama* administration is completely corrupt. i do hold a healthy skepticism of it all and especially for the snoopers.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by JFK

this is where its all leading to

"Those in power will essentially have what they need to punish anyone they?d like, whenever they choose, as if there were no rules at all."

[ Translation ] Patriot Act [/Translation ] or similar.

[Rochard]

My wife hosted a charity event at McDonald's last night, and I posted a picture about it. Should I go into hiding now, or can I wait until tax time?

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by Relentless

If you are naive enough to think 'I don't do anything illegal, so I have nothing to worry about', do yourself a favor and read this.

http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/we-...thing-to-hide/

You must be talking about Rochard.
In at least the last 20 threads on the subject of government intrusion his response is always I didn't do anything illegal why would I mind.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

they do what ever the fuck they want to you and you let them get away with it and vote for the same 2 parties for decades and decades...you give them no reason to be better...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

they do what ever the fuck they want to you and you let them get away with it and vote for the same 2 parties for decades and decades...you give them no reason to be better...

yes, a multiparty system such as in the uk quells terrorism and does not snoop huh.

[Vendzilla]

I love it when people think they are not doing anything illegal

Among the other new laws on the books in 2013:

* In California, prison workers and peace officers will now be prohibited from having sex with inmates and prisoners in transport.

* In North Carolina stealing grease from restaurants will be a felony charge if the person is caught and charged.

* In Illinois, sex offenders will be prohibited from distributing candy on Halloween, or playing Santa or the Easter Bunny.

* In Oregon, employers won't be allowed to advertise a job vacancy if they won't consider applicants who are currently out of work.

* In Kentucky, residents will be prohibited from releasing feral or wild hogs back into the wild and Illinois will ban the possession and sale of shark fins.

* And in Florida, the term "motor vehicle" will no longer apply to the specialized all-terrain vehicles with over-sized tires known as "swamp buggies" that are popular in some parts of the state.



Stupid Laws in California



A law created in 1925 makes it illegal to wiggle while dancing.

A person must be 18 years old to buy a wax container.
Location: Glendale, California
All dog waste must be removed from any yard within seven days.
Location: Cerritos, California
All food in a childrens’ camp must be approved by the director before being used.
Location: Los Angeles, California
All persons wishing to keep a rhinoceros as a pet must obtain a $100 license first.
Location: Norco, California
Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship.
Location: California, United States
Bathhouses are against the law.
Location: California, United States
Before a business may have a “going out of business sale”, they must obtain a special permit from the city manager.
Location: Thousand Oaks, California
Bowling on the sidewalk is illegal.
Location: Chico, California
Cars are the only item allowed in a garage.
Location: Long Beach, California
Cars may not be driven in reverse.
Location: Glendale, California
Cats and dogs are not allowed to have sex without a permit.
Location: Ventura County, California
Children may not wear a Halloween mask unless they get a special permit from the sheriff.
Location: Walnut, California
City Council order reads: “No dog shall be in a public place without its master on a leash.”
Location: Belvedere, California
Community leaders passed an ordinance that makes it illegal for anyone to try and stop a child from playfully jumping over puddles of water.
Location: California, United States
Crushing rocks in the city limits is forbidden.
Location: Indian Wells, California
Detonating a nuclear device within the city limits results in a $500 fine.
Location: Chico, California
Drinking intoxicating cement is prohibited.
Location: Indian Wells, California
Driving a herd of cattle down a street is against the law.
Location: Chico, California
Ducks have the right of way to cross Rancho California St. at all times.
Location: Temecula, California
Elementary schools may not host poker tournaments.
Location: Fresno, California
Foretelling the future for donations is illegal.
Location: Indian Wells, California
Getting drunk on a playground is against the law.
Location: Fresno, California
Giving or receiving oral sex is prohibited.
Location: San Francisco, California
Growing oleander flowers is illegal.
Location: Norco, California

[PhoneSexKing]

All of this NSA PRISM spy shit is even more fun for non-americans. At least you guys can get in the gubbermint's face. Being across the northern border I get spied on and I have no recourse whatsoever. We just get to sit here and take it up the hoop.

(putting on tin foil hat... in 3.. 2.. 1... NOW!)

There are investigations as to why Canada seems to purposely pass network traffic through "boomerang" points in the USA that are known to be NSA listening posts. Apparently, the moment the data hits US soil the US's laws apply (go figure).

For some interesting maps and reading, check this out. http: // ixmaps.ca / tour.php

(remove spaces.. damn 30 post limit for URLs... ugh.. I'll get there lol)

[PhoneSexKing]

Oh, I just realized that I use Moxie's "text secure" and "redphone"... he makes good apps btw.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by JFK

this is where its all leading to

"Those in power will essentially have what they need to punish anyone they’d like, whenever they choose, as if there were no rules at all."

That's what Hitler & Stalin did

Authoritarian Rule, that's where we're headed folks!

Originally Posted by crucifissio

they do what ever the fuck they want to you and you let them get away with it and vote for the same 2 parties for decades and decades...you give them no reason to be better...

It's our own fault, the people brought this upon themselves for being ridiculously lazy and ignorant. And let me add, whatever happens they absolutely completely fucking deserve it!

UK & US are exactly the same, as long as X Factor & whatever brain draining reality show is on TV no one will care, remember or give a shit!

Who gives a fuck if your government is raising taxes, creating draconian austerity measures, printing money like no tomorrow and taking away civil liberties!

This stuff isn't important

During the fall of the Roman Empire the people where distracted by Gladiators fighting in the Colosseum.

What do we get..... X Factor! It's all about whatever spastic can sing a karaoke song the best!

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Dvae

In at least the last 20 threads on the subject of government intrusion his response is always I didn't do anything illegal why would I mind.

Yeah a lot of Jews thought like that during Nazi Germany, infact a lot of them still had that as the last thought in their head as they where being ordered into the gas chambers at gun point

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Relentless

When a cop pulls you over he can always 'find a reason' to detain you legally for an hour. This kind of snooping broadens that ability and puts it in the hands of independent, for profit, contractors who can use federal agents by proxy to detain you for days, weeks, months or years.

When the government killed 'foreigners' with drones nobody said much. When they killed an American citizen with a drone people started to get it. This is the next step in the Gitmotization of our legal system, where anything you have ever said to anyone or thought aloud can be parsed by computers to cross-reference tens of thousands of obscure regulations for the sole purpose of finding a reason to arrest or detain you indefinitely.

All in the name of 'security'

Met Police Uses 'Quick' Mobile Data Extraction System Against Suspects

It's for our protection so it's all good

It would be cool if our governments could create a Pension Fund Protector - It's goal would be to protect tax payers against Investment Bankers creating Ponzi Schemes through Mortgage Backed Security Fraud and the like, it could also have cool features added in the future that could prevent Bankers from using these commercial banks like drug dealers for dealing out their fraudulent loans to their victims.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Dvae

You must be talking about Rochard.
In at least the last 20 threads on the subject of government intrusion his response is always I didn't do anything illegal why would I mind.

Ironically it's horrible if the Government knows where I ate dinner last night, but Google knows every last damn thing about me and uses it to sell me crap I don't need.

The US Government doesn't give a shit about you, where you ate last night, or where you spend your summer vacation. They just don't. Your phone company and Google and Facebook can tell them, but they don't want to know.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by PhoneSexKing

Oh, I just realized that I use Moxie's "text secure" and "redphone"... he makes good apps btw.

I have an iPhone because it's more convenient, but the fact those apps only work on Android has me leaning toward getting an S4