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  • Relentless
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    • Aug 2006
    • 5697

    #1

    Why Government Spying Matters To YOU

    If you are naive enough to think 'I don't do anything illegal, so I have nothing to worry about', do yourself a favor and read this.

    http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/we-...thing-to-hide/
    Last edited by Relentless; 06-12-2013, 07:29 PM.


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  • bronco67
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    • Dec 2006
    • 29032

    #2
    I knew that article would be written by some paranoid full of shit fuckwit.

    No one is going to be arresting me for buying a lobster. Go on with your lives people.

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    • dyna mo
      just a fucking jerk
      • Dec 2008
      • 68184

      #3
      that article is spot on, i am glad you posted it.

      there's nothing wrong with being concerned with what your government is doing.

      especially when it comes to snooping and the current government, hell, i wouldn't want those guys in my home for dinner, let alone snooping around on their own/



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      • Dankasaur
        So Fucking Fossilized
        • Sep 2011
        • 1432

        #4
        How about a Too Long; Didn't Read?

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        • dyna mo
          just a fucking jerk
          • Dec 2008
          • 68184

          #5
          i like this quote from that :

          Compromise

          Some will say that it?s necessary to balance privacy against security, and that it?s important to find the right compromise between the two. Even if you believe that, a good negotiator doesn?t begin a conversation with someone whose position is at the exact opposite extreme by leading with concessions.

          And that?s exactly what we?re dealing with. Not a balance of forces which are looking for the perfect compromise between security and privacy, but an enormous steam roller built out of careers and billions in revenue from surveillance contracts and technology. To negotiate with that, we can?t lead with concessions, but rather with all the opposition we can muster.
          and the link in that quote

          99 Percent Of Booz Allen Hamilton's Revenue Comes From The Federal Government

          that is 3.8$ billion of snooping booz does for the government

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...p_ref=business

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          • JFK
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            • Jan 2002
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            #6
            this is where its all leading to

            "Those in power will essentially have what they need to punish anyone they?d like, whenever they choose, as if there were no rules at all."

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            • xNetworx
              So Fucking What
              • Jan 2004
              • 14445

              #7
              anybody have cliff notes? Should I be worried?

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              • dyna mo
                just a fucking jerk
                • Dec 2008
                • 68184

                #8
                this is exactly what i've been concerned about re: this,


                as of 2012, according to Washington Technology, a trade publication for government contractors. Only seven companies garnered more money in government contracts that year.

                Booz Allen declined to comment for this story.

                Booz Allen's profitable relationship with the government is dependent on the company's ability to handle sensitive government information. A securities filing revealed that nearly half of the firm's 25,000 employees have access to information that would cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if leaked, according to the New York Times.

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                • lezinterracial
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                  • Jul 2012
                  • 3117

                  #9
                  "If the federal government can’t even count how many laws there are, what chance does an individual have of being certain that they are not acting in violation of one of them?"

                  Exactly, I think they Government wants a reason to arrest whoever they want.
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                  • dyna mo
                    just a fucking jerk
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 68184

                    #10
                    and that's only a portion, check this out:

                    The Washington Post reported in 2010 that there were 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies in 10,000 locations in the United States that are working on counterterrorism, homeland security, and intelligence, and that the intelligence community as a whole includes 854,000 people holding top-secret clearances.

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                    • Relentless
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                      • Aug 2006
                      • 5697

                      #11
                      When a cop pulls you over he can always 'find a reason' to detain you legally for an hour. This kind of snooping broadens that ability and puts it in the hands of independent, for profit, contractors who can use federal agents by proxy to detain you for days, weeks, months or years.

                      When the government killed 'foreigners' with drones nobody said much. When they killed an American citizen with a drone people started to get it. This is the next step in the Gitmotization of our legal system, where anything you have ever said to anyone or thought aloud can be parsed by computers to cross-reference tens of thousands of obscure regulations for the sole purpose of finding a reason to arrest or detain you indefinitely.

                      All in the name of 'security'


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                      • pimpmaster9000
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                        #12
                        they do what ever the fuck they want to you and you let them get away with it and vote for the same 2 parties for decades and decades...you give them no reason to be better...
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                        • Best-In-BC
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                          #13
                          Its the slippery slop we're on, sry, but I must be one of the few who grew up being told stories about the war so I learned why this is a problem, but I guess now that all the vets are gone, it's time to try to remove our freedoms again, and whats really too bad is America, the one with a beautiful constitution is the most freedom-less country. They worry about there guns but they have already lost everything else.
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                          • sperbonzo
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                            • May 2003
                            • 9750

                            #14
                            Originally posted by crucifissio
                            they do what ever the fuck they want to you and you let them get away with it and vote for the same 2 parties for decades and decades...you give them no reason to be better...
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                            • sperbonzo
                              I'd rather be on my boat.
                              • May 2003
                              • 9750

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Relentless
                              If you are naive enough to think 'I don't do anything illegal, so I have nothing to worry about', do yourself a favor and read this.

                              http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/we-...thing-to-hide/
                              Very well written and totally correct IMHO.





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                              • Grapesoda
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                                • Jul 2003
                                • 46238

                                #16
                                Originally posted by dyna mo
                                that article is spot on, i am glad you posted it.

                                there's nothing wrong with being concerned with what your government is doing.

                                especially when it comes to snooping and the current government, hell, i wouldn't want those guys in my home for dinner, let alone snooping around on their own/



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                                yes I'm positive that Obama and his government are completely corrupted.

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                                • tony286
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                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 57021

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                  yes I'm positive that Obama and his government are completely corrupted.
                                  Yep when the NSA was doing this is 1975, he was behind it. And the right was for it before they were against it.
                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=t27ie4qFlXM

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                                  • dyna mo
                                    just a fucking jerk
                                    • Dec 2008
                                    • 68184

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                    yes I'm positive that Obama and his government are completely corrupted.
                                    i can understand why you would reach that conclusion.

                                    i don't think the *obama* administration is completely corrupt. i do hold a healthy skepticism of it all and especially for the snoopers.

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                                    • pornguy
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                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 62912

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by JFK
                                      this is where its all leading to

                                      "Those in power will essentially have what they need to punish anyone they?d like, whenever they choose, as if there were no rules at all."
                                      [ Translation ] Patriot Act [/Translation ] or similar.
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                                      • Rochard
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                                        • Dec 2001
                                        • 75733

                                        #20
                                        My wife hosted a charity event at McDonald's last night, and I posted a picture about it. Should I go into hiding now, or can I wait until tax time?
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                                        Brooklyn, NY

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                                        • Dvae
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                                          • Feb 2005
                                          • 5326

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Relentless
                                          If you are naive enough to think 'I don't do anything illegal, so I have nothing to worry about', do yourself a favor and read this.

                                          http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/we-...thing-to-hide/
                                          You must be talking about Rochard.
                                          In at least the last 20 threads on the subject of government intrusion his response is always I didn't do anything illegal why would I mind.
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                                          • _Richard_
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                                            • Oct 2006
                                            • 30991

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by crucifissio
                                            they do what ever the fuck they want to you and you let them get away with it and vote for the same 2 parties for decades and decades...you give them no reason to be better...

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                                            • dyna mo
                                              just a fucking jerk
                                              • Dec 2008
                                              • 68184

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by crucifissio
                                              they do what ever the fuck they want to you and you let them get away with it and vote for the same 2 parties for decades and decades...you give them no reason to be better...
                                              yes, a multiparty system such as in the uk quells terrorism and does not snoop huh.

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                                              • Vendzilla
                                                Biker Gnome
                                                • Mar 2004
                                                • 23200

                                                #24
                                                I love it when people think they are not doing anything illegal

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                                                • PhoneSexKing
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                                                  • Jun 2013
                                                  • 190

                                                  #25
                                                  All of this NSA PRISM spy shit is even more fun for non-americans. At least you guys can get in the gubbermint's face. Being across the northern border I get spied on and I have no recourse whatsoever. We just get to sit here and take it up the hoop.

                                                  (putting on tin foil hat... in 3.. 2.. 1... NOW!)

                                                  There are investigations as to why Canada seems to purposely pass network traffic through "boomerang" points in the USA that are known to be NSA listening posts. Apparently, the moment the data hits US soil the US's laws apply (go figure).

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                                                  • PhoneSexKing
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                                                    • Jun 2013
                                                    • 190

                                                    #26
                                                    Oh, I just realized that I use Moxie's "text secure" and "redphone"... he makes good apps btw.

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                                                    • Paul
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                      • 2637

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by JFK
                                                      this is where its all leading to

                                                      "Those in power will essentially have what they need to punish anyone they’d like, whenever they choose, as if there were no rules at all."
                                                      That's what Hitler & Stalin did

                                                      Authoritarian Rule, that's where we're headed folks!

                                                      Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                      they do what ever the fuck they want to you and you let them get away with it and vote for the same 2 parties for decades and decades...you give them no reason to be better...
                                                      It's our own fault, the people brought this upon themselves for being ridiculously lazy and ignorant. And let me add, whatever happens they absolutely completely fucking deserve it!

                                                      UK & US are exactly the same, as long as X Factor & whatever brain draining reality show is on TV no one will care, remember or give a shit!

                                                      Who gives a fuck if your government is raising taxes, creating draconian austerity measures, printing money like no tomorrow and taking away civil liberties!

                                                      This stuff isn't important

                                                      During the fall of the Roman Empire the people where distracted by Gladiators fighting in the Colosseum.

                                                      What do we get..... X Factor! It's all about whatever spastic can sing a karaoke song the best!

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                                                      • Paul
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                        • 2637

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Dvae
                                                        In at least the last 20 threads on the subject of government intrusion his response is always I didn't do anything illegal why would I mind.
                                                        Yeah a lot of Jews thought like that during Nazi Germany, infact a lot of them still had that as the last thought in their head as they where being ordered into the gas chambers at gun point

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                                                        • Paul
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                          • 2637

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Relentless
                                                          When a cop pulls you over he can always 'find a reason' to detain you legally for an hour. This kind of snooping broadens that ability and puts it in the hands of independent, for profit, contractors who can use federal agents by proxy to detain you for days, weeks, months or years.

                                                          When the government killed 'foreigners' with drones nobody said much. When they killed an American citizen with a drone people started to get it. This is the next step in the Gitmotization of our legal system, where anything you have ever said to anyone or thought aloud can be parsed by computers to cross-reference tens of thousands of obscure regulations for the sole purpose of finding a reason to arrest or detain you indefinitely.

                                                          All in the name of 'security'
                                                          Met Police Uses 'Quick' Mobile Data Extraction System Against Suspects

                                                          It's for our protection so it's all good

                                                          It would be cool if our governments could create a Pension Fund Protector - It's goal would be to protect tax payers against Investment Bankers creating Ponzi Schemes through Mortgage Backed Security Fraud and the like, it could also have cool features added in the future that could prevent Bankers from using these commercial banks like drug dealers for dealing out their fraudulent loans to their victims.

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                                                          • Rochard
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                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                            • 75733

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Dvae
                                                            You must be talking about Rochard.
                                                            In at least the last 20 threads on the subject of government intrusion his response is always I didn't do anything illegal why would I mind.
                                                            Ironically it's horrible if the Government knows where I ate dinner last night, but Google knows every last damn thing about me and uses it to sell me crap I don't need.

                                                            The US Government doesn't give a shit about you, where you ate last night, or where you spend your summer vacation. They just don't. Your phone company and Google and Facebook can tell them, but they don't want to know.
                                                            Herschel Savage
                                                            Brooklyn, NY

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                                                            • Relentless
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                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                              • 5697

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by PhoneSexKing
                                                              Oh, I just realized that I use Moxie's "text secure" and "redphone"... he makes good apps btw.
                                                              I have an iPhone because it's more convenient, but the fact those apps only work on Android has me leaning toward getting an S4


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