Do you think this is OK or not? (video of Watertown home raid)

[DWB]

Do you find how they treat the residents acceptable or disturbing?

If you think it is acceptable, do you also think it is acceptable to enter their home without a warrant?

[purecane]

in my opinion, NO.

and just for the record...if i found a 19 year old kid, being chased by 30k cops, i would have let him stay in my boat.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by DWB

Do you find how they treat the residents acceptable or disturbing?

If you think it is acceptable, do you also think it is acceptable to enter their home without a warrant?

shut up and take my money

[dyna mo]

it's important for me to understand the context around the authorities targeting that house before i can answer your questions, dwb.

the authorities did not handle each and every house in watertown that way, i wonder what made them act that way re: that home and the occupants?


here's a photo of a watertown cop that is going viral, he is delivering milk to a family during the lockdown


so i will ask you the same question-

Do you find how they treat the residents acceptable or disturbing?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by purecane73

in my opinion, NO.

and just for the record...if i found a 19 year old kid, being chased by 30k cops, i would have let him stay in my boat.

that would be a federal crime and you would then go to prison.

sometime it doesn't pay being a kook..

[96ukssob]

its six of one, half dozen of the other... by answering "yes" it's ok you then are saying its fine for the gov't to just walk into your house, but "no" means you have some kind of superior force field that only a piece of paper signed by a judge will let them in. either case, they would have come into your house whether you like it or not.

people wanted this guy caught by any means necessary, letting him go would have meant huge problems for Boston and everyone being on high alert for months to come. rather, they stepped up and found the guy and "Boston is safe yet again!"

was it completely legal? who knows, a superior judge may have issued a blanket warrant that you're not aware of to do this. I think what the Boston PD did was in the best interest of the public and glad no one got hurt or "accidentally shot" in the process.

America wanted to stand up to these terrorists and prove they will get them by any means necessary, and they did.

fact is you can have all these rights or you can be safe and criminals caught, you can't have both. there are to many (not all) stupid rules and laws in place that make it extremely difficult for law enforcement to do their job. people crying about having their bags searched in airports? TOUGH SHIT! if it was up to me, every fucking person would be searched and their bags so when I'm floating 33k feet in the air, I feel safe.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's important for me to understand the context around the authorities targeting that house before i can answer your questions, dwb.

the authorities did not handle each and every house in watertown that way, i wonder what made them act that way re: that home and the occupants?

here's a photo of a watertown cop that is going viral, he is delivering milk to a family during the lockdown

so i will ask you the same question-

Do you find how they treat the residents acceptable or disturbing?

Well, we know they were looking for one suspect. There was no other reason for them to be doing what they were doing, and that was their justification of it all. None of those residents were him, and they clearly could see that, so they should not have been barked at, told to keep their hands up, and patted down like criminals.

Regarding the photo, they were confiscating items that could be hiding a bomb and destroying them. I watched them do this to several items live on CNN. Additionally, even if that was only milk (is it milk or motor oil?), he should not be touching anyone's personal property. But my guess is he was taking them to be destroyed, or at least dumping out the milk. Or he knows the family. All the stores were closed, so he did not fetch milk for someone.

[TheFootMan5]

This is just sick and disgusting to watch

[TheFootMan5]

How in the fuck can people defend this tyranny and thuggish behavior? What a bunch of mind controlled lemmings

[theking]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's important for me to understand the context around the authorities targeting that house before i can answer your questions, dwb.

the authorities did not handle each and every house in watertown that way, i wonder what made them act that way re: that home and the occupants?


here's a photo of a watertown cop that is going viral, he is delivering milk to a family during the lockdown


so i will ask you the same question-

Do you find how they treat the residents acceptable or disturbing?

I concur...no date and no context at all.

[dyna mo]

do you remember how some of the high schoolers were evacuated from columbine? running single file with their hands up.

i'm not sure why eye-witness photographs taken by citizens keep getting poopoo'd around here. you did the same thing when i posted similar photos of the marks left on the street after the bomb went off.

these are citizens uploading these photos to twitter and intsagram and fb and so on, if we can't even trust them in the slightest, this exercise in whether or not that youtube video you posted is right or wrong is pointless.

[candyflip]

When my mom says that she thinks things went a bit overboard, then I tend to believe that they might just have gone a bit overboard.

Shutting the city down and paying 9,000 cops for a one person manhunt is overkill. There's no real way to debate otherwise.

[dyna mo]

the thing about context. what if known dope dealers lived there? what if the police already knew that criminals lived there, maybe they were known to have guns, etc,.

right? prior to any bombs, the police there were already doing shit, they would most certainly have a house or 2 they know known criminals frequent.

now here they are in the middle of a shootout with bombs trying to find the shitheads and they come up on an already known criminal's house.

what are you going to do? go past it? treat it like a law-abiding citizen's domain? or knock on the door and make everyone come out before you send in the search team?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by purecane73

in my opinion, NO.

and just for the record...if i found a 19 year old kid, being chased by 30k cops, i would have let him stay in my boat.

Harboring/supporting a suspected terrorist...good to know whose side the nutters are on.



As for the door-by-door search, the police were involved in the pursuit of some armed and extremely dangerous individuals, that allegedly perpetrated a cowardly and horrific assault on innocent civilians, killed a cop, and engaged the police in a fierce firefight the night before.

I guess the police were just supposed to nicely knock on the door, and when purecane73 answers the door and tells them no terrorists are present, they should just skip along to the next potential hiding spot, being careful not to offend anyone in the process.

The people that feel this was an invasion of their Constitutional rights should sue the police if they feel that their rights were violated, or they could have just used their 2nd amendment firearms to try and keep the police out (no doubt that's what a warrior like Alex Jone would have done), although I doubt that would have turned out very well either.

There was a recent high-profile kidnaping/disappearance of a teen girl in my region, and the police engaged in a door-to-door search, and although I was not happy at all to let the police in, the detectives were polite, looked around, saw that it was all clear and politely left. While inside, they could not help but notice my cannabis vaporizer and cannabis. I mentioned that I have a doctor issued medical marijuana card and they said that they didn't really care about that. It's been close to a year since that visit, and I've had no other visits from the police. I am satisfied that they were just doing their job (although the body of the girl has never been recovered, police are treating it now as a homicide, and have a suspect in jail awaiting trial).

While we armchair debate the issue, and possibly some lawsuits are filed, I believe that the residents of Watertown and the greater Boston area are overall pleased with the law enforcement effort to stop and apprehend two very dangerous individuals.

Or maybe these cheering citizens are just government operatives:





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[TheFootMan5]

30,000 against 1?

[dyna mo]

bad guys only have to get it right once, authorities have to get it right every time.

[Jel]

gung-ho wankers getting off on a power trip.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

do you remember how some of the high schoolers were evacuated from columbine? running single file with their hands up.

Yes, but there they didn't know who the shooters were. Here, they knew exactly who they were looking for, and those people were clearly not the suspect, especially the women. Big difference.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm not sure why eye-witness photographs taken by citizens keep getting poopoo'd around here. you did the same thing when i posted similar photos of the marks left on the street after the bomb went off.

I'm not pooing on it, I'm just basing it on the information that the stores were closed and the police were taking loose items like that and destroying them.

However, he very well may have dropped everything, found the only open store in all of Boston and delivered milk to one family in need. Anything is possible. It just seems a little unlikely based on the other information out there. But for the sake of humanity, I hope it is true and he did play milk man instead of policeman that day.

[dyna mo]

here's how i think i am coming down on the issue.

the video disturbs me. it's martial law. it's not a police state, that requires a political component. the only reason for martial law is when the civilian government fail to function effectively in response to events and needs to call in militarized authorities.

that was the case here, it disturbs me that government fails and martial law is required.

but.

the fact is the mission was accomplished and the shelter in place was lifted, the authorities cleared out and let the people be and the local citizens are shown being very appreciative afterwards and obviously very free to move about.

[theking]

Originally Posted by DWB

Well, we know they were looking for one suspect. There was no other reason for them to be doing what they were doing, and that was their justification of it all. None of those residents were him, and they clearly could see that, so they should not have been barked at, told to keep their hands up, and patted down like criminals.

Damn...your ignorance...is once again apparent. There are many reasons for them doing what they were doing and may not have involved "one suspect" at all. Police officers are trained in the academy to take immediate and total control of a situation by being firm loud and clear/barking. They also are trained at the academy to order people to put their hands up and/or to submit to being handcuffed and patted down...for their protection...as well as the protection of the subjects that are involved.

BTW FYI...there are circumstances where a search warrant is not legally required to enter someone's residence.

[bronco67]

I think they went overboard for sure. Also, why do 100 cops aimlessly unload their clips at a single guy firing one shot from inside a boat? How about some discretion and tactics?

[pornguy]

From that vdieo they were being treated VERY well. He pulled the guy out the door and did not slam him to the ground. He grabbed his hands and told him to keep them in the air and then directed him down the stairs where he was directed away from the house.

In a standard warrant entry everyone goes to the ground by their own power, the power of an officer landing on them or a bullet.

Do I agree with warrantless entry, no I dont. Could there be a LOT more info we just dont know about what was going on in that video.. 99.9% sure.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by theking

There are many reasons for them doing what they were doing and may not have involved "one suspect" at all. Police officers are trained in the academy to take immediate and total control of a situation by being firm loud and clear/barking. They also are trained at the academy to order people to put their hands up and/or to submit to being handcuffed and patted down...for their protection...as well as the protection of the subjects that are involved.

Yea, for the safety of the residents.

Confirmed: At this point they knew there was one suspect and they knew what he looked like.

Confirmed: Not all police were acting in this very aggressive manner. Most of the videos online do not show this type of unacceptable behavior.

They knew exactly who they were looking for so treating the home owners in this manner doesn't make much sense, especially when there are other videos showing the police doing it politely. Seems it was a choice and that was nothing more than an aggressive group of assholes.

[Mutt]

always the weirdos who don't fit in normal society who have a problem with authority figures just doing their job. sad.

also sad that for once i am in total agreement with pathfinder.

[PR_Phil]

wholy fuck, what dreamland do you people live in.

Cops beat the shit out of innocent people all the time, and all those cops should loose their jobs and go to jail!

I don't see these guys do anything wrong here. they didn't bust down the doors and smash the windows, they didn't cuff these people and throw them to the ground. They didn't accuse them of being terrorists while they got to walk out under their own power with their hands up. they didn't hit them, pin their arms behind them, nothing.

please tell me what they did wrong? oooh, they made a lady leave the house, should they have let her sit on the couch with her hands in her lap while they searched the rest of the house?

all they asked was for them to keep their hands in the air as they got to walk out and down the street.

you guys are fucking morons.

I have been treated worse by cops while I have been in the middle of asking them for help.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I think they went overboard for sure. Also, why do 100 cops aimlessly unload their clips at a single guy firing one shot from inside a boat? How about some discretion and tactics?

Discretion and tactics.

Reportedly the police fired rubber bullets at some point when they had suspect #2 cornered in the boat. They also used infrared technology to note his movements, and made sure that he was not armed with an IED prior to taking him alive. They used a robotic device to remove the tarp, and then lobbed a diversionary device (reportedly tear gas/smoke), prior to having the suspect lift his shirt showing that he did not have an IED strapped on, before taking him into custody.

Acting on a phone tip, Boston police surrounded a home on Franklin Street in Watertown around 6:00 p.m. The home’s owner called 911 to report seeing blood on a tarp covering a small boat in his back yard. Heavily armed SWAT members arrived on the scene minutes later and fired dummy bullets into the boat. Officers reported seeing the suspect moving in the boat during the standoff.

After FBI agents lobbed several flash bang devices into the yard, the suspect indicated he was ready to give up. Police took Tsarnaev into custody without incident at 9:05 p.m.

They could have easily reduced that boat to toothpicks if the police objective was to execute the suspected Boston Marathon bomber, yet they used restraint, and ended the event without any additional civilian loss of life following the initial bombing (although at least one policeman was killed and another severely wounded).

In the end the police were able to take the suspect alive, something which I honestly did not expect.



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[nexcom28]

Those cops have been waiting all there life for this moment and they know it will only happen once. They are acting out like it's a fucking movie.

But no, it's not ok.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Mutt

always the weirdos who don't fit in normal society who have a problem with authority figures just doing their job.

Originally Posted by PR_Phil

I don't see these guys do anything wrong here.

So you seriously have no problem with you and your family (wife, kids, elderly parents) being taken out of your house, barked at, hands in the air, guns pointed at you, and then patted down like a criminal, all while they look for someone else who isn't even in your house?

[troncarver]

It seems like this house had a good 10-15 people in there, and that was probably detected via the heat seeking helicopter circling above

if i detected that many people in a small house i would get very suspicious

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DWB

So you seriously have no problem with you and your family (wife, kids, elderly parents) being taken out of your house, barked at, hands in the air, guns pointed at you, and then patted down like a criminal, all while they look for someone else who isn't even in your house?

And how the fuck were the cops supposed to know they were not hiding out there?

[baddog]

The idiocy on this board makes it easier and easier to avoid.

[purecane]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Harboring/supporting a suspected terrorist...good to know whose side the nutters are on.



As for the door-by-door search, the police were involved in the pursuit of some armed and extremely dangerous individuals, that allegedly perpetrated a cowardly and horrific assault on innocent civilians, killed a cop, and engaged the police in a fierce firefight the night before.

I guess the police were just supposed to nicely knock on the door, and when purecane73 answers the door and tells them no terrorists are present, they should just skip along to the next potential hiding spot, being careful not to offend anyone in the process.

The people that feel this was an invasion of their Constitutional rights should sue the police if they feel that their rights were violated, or they could have just used their 2nd amendment firearms to try and keep the police out (no doubt that's what a warrior like Alex Jone would have done), although I doubt that would have turned out very well either.

There was a recent high-profile kidnaping/disappearance of a teen girl in my region, and the police engaged in a door-to-door search, and although I was not happy at all to let the police in, the detectives were polite, looked around, saw that it was all clear and politely left. While inside, they could not help but notice my cannabis vaporizer and cannabis. I mentioned that I have a doctor issued medical marijuana card and they said that they didn't really care about that. It's been close to a year since that visit, and I've had no other visits from the police. I am satisfied that they were just doing their job (although the body of the girl has never been recovered, police are treating it now as a homicide, and have a suspect in jail awaiting trial).

While we armchair debate the issue, and possibly some lawsuits are filed, I believe that the residents of Watertown and the greater Boston area are overall pleased with the law enforcement effort to stop and apprehend two very dangerous individuals.

Or maybe these cheering citizens are just government operatives:





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those cheering citizens are sheep, and apparently so are you.what happened to the saudi that was arrested? or the other two men who were originally the suspects? oohh that's right, no one knows because it was all smoke and mirrors.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by DWB

So you seriously have no problem with you and your family (wife, kids, elderly parents) being taken out of your house, barked at, hands in the air, guns pointed at you, and then patted down like a criminal, all while they look for someone else who isn't even in your house?

exactly. I note all the comments are basically saying that because the police didn't beat the shit out of anyone, it's all cool. Not sure of the correct name for it, but it's basically being less of a total and utter cunt than you *could* be, and amazingly people are actually grateful that you were only a 50% cunt. And then throwing that most insane of 'they are only doing their job' BS.

Also the reason why those residents appeared 'grateful' when they were left free to roam their own city streets.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by baddog

And how the fuck were the cops supposed to know they were not hiding out there?

if they were, I'm sure the way the cops acted would have helped HUGELY

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Mutt

always the weirdos who don't fit in normal society who have a problem with authority figures just doing their job. sad.
.

*alert* new idiotic generalisation ahead *alert*

always the subs with zero backbone that roll over and say 'its just their job'.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by baddog

And how the fuck were the cops supposed to know they were not hiding out there?

I wasn't asking him if he thought it was OK from the police's perspective, I asked from his (their) perspective if it was OK for himself and his family to be treated like that when they knew there was no one else in their home and had done absolutely nothing wrong.

The home owner knows if someone is in his house or not, making that sort of treatment that much more abusive.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by DWB

The home owner knows if someone is in his house or not, making that sort of treatment that much more abusive.

yeah but they are 'only doing their job, they are taught that way' - so it's ok

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Jel

always the subs with zero backbone that roll over and say 'its just their job'.

Just doing their job...

[dyna mo]

dwb, round em up!

[Supz]

I would do anything to help the authorities catch a terrorist on the loose. I dont care about them doing their job. If I had a guy in the vicinity of my house that might have a bomb on them. You can check my place. And for all you people who are talking shit like that isnt the case. When these swat teams come to your door and ask to check because a bomber is on the loose in your neighborhood. You would shit bricks and let them in. You wouldnt do shit else. Just a bunch of big mouths on a message board. You'de take pictures and post them on your instagram and twitter just like everyone else.

Pussies.

[dyna mo]

this way!

[2013]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

this way!

pretty sheep

[DWB]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

dwb, round em up!

I found what is allegedly the source of the milk photo. If what they say is true then he did indeed get milk for a family who had a 16 month old baby. No idea where he found it, but he did, says the original story on reddit.

Originally Posted by Supz

I would do anything to help the authorities catch a terrorist on the loose. I dont care about them doing their job. If I had a guy in the vicinity of my house that might have a bomb on them. You can check my place. And for all you people who are talking shit like that isnt the case. When these swat teams come to your door and ask to check because a bomber is on the loose in your neighborhood. You would shit bricks and let them in. You wouldnt do shit else. Just a bunch of big mouths on a message board. You'de take pictures and post them on your instagram and twitter just like everyone else.

Pussies.

I actually had police come to my house before while chasing someone (about 10 years ago). They asked if they could come in and told me why they wanted to come in, I stepped aside and let them come in. They didn't threaten me, pull guns on me, make me put up my hands or toss me to the ground. They were just sweeping the area and I clearly didn't match the description of the guy they were after, so they just had me stay put in the foyer. They were nice and I was nice back.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Supz

I would do anything to help the authorities catch a terrorist on the loose. I dont care about them doing their job. If I had a guy in the vicinity of my house that might have a bomb on them. You can check my place. And for all you people who are talking shit like that isnt the case. When these swat teams come to your door and ask to check because a bomber is on the loose in your neighborhood. You would shit bricks and let them in. You wouldnt do shit else. Just a bunch of big mouths on a message board. You'de take pictures and post them on your instagram and twitter just like everyone else.

Pussies.

are you a retard?

'ask to check'

the whole fucking point is that you are ordered around and spoken to like a piece of shit - who is saying they wouldn't let them in? I'll tell you this much though - would I fuck keep my hands on my head - I'm too much of a stubborn idiotic prick who doesn't care about consequences until it's way too late, to allow myself to be treated like that. One of my many downfalls.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by DWB

I actually had police come to my house before while chasing someone (about 10 years ago). They asked if they could come in and told me why they wanted to come in, I stepped aside and let them come in. They didn't threaten me, pull guns on me, make me put up my hands or toss me to the ground. They were just sweeping the area and I clearly didn't match the description of the guy they were after, so they just had me stay put in the foyer. They were nice and I was nice back.

Had the same thing 2 years ago with a knock on my door where they were after some guy who may have made it into my back garden. Copper wasn't a jacked up idiot barking shit around which helped, I'd heard the sirens in my turning and saw through the window the activity and it was all cool - saw him heading towards my door and knew he'd be asking for access to my garden, and had no problem with that whatsoever.

[purecane]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

that would be a federal crime and you would then go to prison.

sometime it doesn't pay being a kook..

'uku head...........

[epitome]

So there must be videos of them doing this to many, many, many houses and not the one house in the same neighborhood the bomber was found that keeps circulating? Where are they?

People talk about the media selectively trying to make a point and then turn around and do it themselves and see no irony.

People like to talk about the proof... where is the proof that they did not receive some kind of tip about that house?

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Jel

Had the same thing 2 years ago with a knock on my door where they were after some guy who may have made it into my back garden. Copper wasn't a jacked up idiot barking shit around which helped, I'd heard the sirens in my turning and saw through the window the activity and it was all cool - saw him heading towards my door and knew he'd be asking for access to my garden, and had no problem with that whatsoever.

Yeah, back in '06 or so they were looking for someone that got away and I opened my front door and a huge cloud from smoking weed rolled out into their faces. They knew what was up. They didn't care, they had something more important going on. Would have been two very easy arrests though to "make numbers" like everybody claims.

In Boston they were looking for a suspected domestic terrorist. Much more important than anything going on in your house, unless the guy was in your house.

People act like the police are some big, bad animal when many are just like us. The "militarization" that you see is for protection. They got billions in federal grants after 9/11 and wanted to beef up and look like military boys... that's more of a procurement issue than anything. They don't roll down the street each day like that; they use it to protect themselves when there is a perceived threat.

If anyone bothered to read Top Secret America, the project by the Washington Post in 2010, you would have learned that most of these billions were wasted on toys they bring out for parades. State fusion centers have nothing to do and spend their time trolling for illegal craigslist ads. That's what happens when you give people tens of billions to spend without oversight.

[TheFootMan5]

This is not okay at all...how is it even debatable?

[Robbie]

That is as disgusting and anti-American piece of "police work" as I've ever seen.

I can't believe that people say that is "okay".

Definitely not the country I grew up in. That video looks like it could have been shot in 1950's Soviet Union.