Do you think this is OK or not? (video of Watertown home raid) - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

baddog · 04-23-2013, 04:52 PM

I just want 150

_Richard_ · 04-23-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i had not heard of this, sounds fishy.

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In 1934, Butler testified to the Special Committee on Un-American Activities Congressional committee (the "McCormack-Dickstein Committee") on these claims.[1] In the opinion of the committee, these allegations were credible.[2] No one was prosecuted.

well you can read about the hearing

also someone was prosecuted.

Butler was

Robbie · 04-23-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Bullshit; when you build a military complex among the citizens (pretty much what you are suggesting with your contention that all military installations should be on the coast and borders with other countries) means that civilians are subject to being harmed.

You do realize that there is an Air Force base right here in Vegas.
I lived in Miami for many years...also the home of a big military base.
I lived in Myrtle Beach and Columbia S.C. also home to big military bases.

I played in my band in Fayetteville, NC many times...HUGE military base.

In other words...ALL of our military bases are "among the citizens". Hell, they drive the economy in every city they are in (govt money flowing).

So to try and insinuate that the Japs were being sneaky by doing that is the same as saying WE are sneaky because we do the exact same thing.

But I'll guarantee you that if anybody ever bombs Vegas to get Nellis AFB it will be seen by the U.S. as an attack on our civilians.

Look...I've lived my life and seen what I've seen and formed my opinions. They are obviously different than yours. You seem to be in with the pro-govt. crowd on this issue. I can't change your mind. I can only be baffled at it. lol

baddog · 04-23-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You do realize that there is an Air Force base right here in Vegas.
I lived in Miami for many years...also the home of a big military base.
I lived in Myrtle Beach and Columbia S.C. also home to big military bases.

I played in my band in Fayetteville, NC many times...HUGE military base.

In other words...ALL of our military bases are "among the citizens". Hell, they drive the economy in every city they are in (govt money flowing).

So to try and insinuate that the Japs were being sneaky by doing that is the same as saying WE are sneaky because we do the exact same thing.

But I'll guarantee you that if anybody ever bombs Vegas to get Nellis AFB it will be seen by the U.S. as an attack on our civilians.

Look...I've lived my life and seen what I've seen and formed my opinions. They are obviously different than yours. You seem to be in with the pro-govt. crowd on this issue. I can't change your mind. I can only be baffled at it. lol

You give me the impression that you study [or at least, skim] history. Cities/towns/villages have sprung up around military strength for centuries. Are you suggesting the US set up their installations solely to put citizens at risk?

theking · 04-23-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

do i need to be fair and accurate when it comes to a subject of the needless deaths of countless women and children?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004...secondworldwar

can you read this and we can get back to the discussion? i don't want to type for awhile about shit that's already fact

Some things in the artricle are not really true...and FYI Prescott Bush was not the only person to have business dealings in Germany during the Nazi period of time. Many men from many countries had business dealings with Germany during that period of time...some directly...some indirectly...unfortunately.

_Richard_ · 04-23-2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Some things in the artricle are not really true...and FYI Prescott Bush was not the only person to have business dealings in Germany during the Nazi period of time. Many men from many countries had business dealings with Germany during that period of time...some directly...some indirectly...unfortunately.

he was just the main guy doing it, yea i know

my understanding is the other 'people with business dealings' were already rather in pocket with the bush folks

and the 'business plot' of 1933

notice you called me on that bullshit few days ago btw.. i could have argued it, but wanted to see if anyone was paying attention

dyna mo · 04-23-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

well you can read about the hearing

also someone was prosecuted.

Butler was

oh yeah, no, fishy = big business fishy. i didn't catch a tie-in to bush, did i miss that?

Robbie · 04-23-2013, 05:26 PM

I'd just like to say...that I don't agree with what the authorities did in Boston. I think it was way overboard and I hope that the cops in that video are prosecuted.

Just thought I'd bring us back from WW2 for a second back to the subject at hand. lol

_Richard_ · 04-23-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

oh yeah, no, fishy = big business fishy. i didn't catch a tie-in to bush, did i miss that?

well.. this is the thing with 'current events' or 'past events'

a few people hold all the cards

it becomes difficult smearing people who hold all the cards

to get the Bush reference, you need to take a long crap and read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_J...athroom_Reader

i can't remember which one of these has the reference

but it talks about butler and which business men he was speaking with

and Bush is up there with another

dyna mo · 04-23-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'd just like to say...that I don't agree with what the authorities did in Boston. I think it was way overboard and I hope that the cops in that video are prosecuted.

Just thought I'd bring us back from WW2 for a second back to the subject at hand. lol

cool!

i read and posted that the aclu said that no rights were violated with the shelter in place and door to door searches. do you think the aclu is right?

the aclu said it is also reviewing the video this thread is about, if they find that that crew acted within the boundaries of acceptable behavior for that sort of thing, would you agree with the aclu's conclusions?

TheFootMan5 · 04-23-2013, 05:34 PM

Lol at saying no rights were violated

dyna mo · 04-23-2013, 05:42 PM

i'm also having a hard time reconciling comments like these

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residents voiced overwhelming support for the actions of local, state, and federal officials.

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During the course of my reporting, I was unable to locate a single Watertown resident that admitted to being uncomfortable with the government asking them to ?shelter in place?

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In my estimation, the support for law enforcement appeared to be nearly universal, with phrases like ?110% support? and ?they did a great job? thrown around by virtually everyone I interviewed before, during, and after the manhunt.

i think it's fair to figure that watertown isn't a community of all retards that are like how johnny clips describes all of us.

so i can't figure out why the locals thought the situation was handled while we are all looking in scratching our heads?

Robbie · 04-23-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

the aclu said it is also reviewing the video this thread is about, if they find that that crew acted within the boundaries of acceptable behavior for that sort of thing, would you agree with the aclu's conclusions?

No, I wouldn't. The actions in this video are intolerable. Made me angry just watching those cops bully those people. And the thought of strangers rummaging through my home while I'm held at gunpoint doesn't get me all warm and fuzzy either.

I'm shocked that you or anybody else would think this is "acceptable behavior"

dyna mo · 04-23-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

No, I wouldn't. The actions in this video are intolerable. Made me angry just watching those cops bully those people. And the thought of strangers rummaging through my home while I'm held at gunpoint doesn't get me all warm and fuzzy either.

I'm shocked that you or anybody else would think this is "acceptable behavior"

you missed my other post where i said the video disturbs me.

Robbie · 04-23-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

so i can't figure out why the locals thought the situation was handled while we are all looking in scratching our heads?

I'm gonna guess the people in that video do not agree.

I would also point out that the press and the govt. instilled fear into the residents...also watching the "celebration" after the guy was captured showed a lot of "group think" mentality going on there.

My guess is that the residents who had their homes searched and were pulled out at gunpoint probably are NOT the ones who "agree" with what happened.
But the news media is so busy proclaiming thousands of cops are all now "heroes" that they aren't going to report anything else at the moment.

dyna mo · 04-23-2013, 05:51 PM

i'm starting to come across reports of watertown folks saying bullshit on the fear factor, actually they say they were all sitting in their homes bored to tears.

maybe they were all cheering YAY, now GTFO! when they lined the streets at the end!

baddog · 04-23-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

No, I wouldn't. The actions in this video are intolerable. Made me angry just watching those cops bully those people. And the thought of strangers rummaging through my home while I'm held at gunpoint doesn't get me all warm and fuzzy either.

I'm shocked that you or anybody else would think this is "acceptable behavior"

Yeah, because from a 6 minute video shot from across the street you can tell everything that was going on.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm gonna guess the people in that video do not agree.

As long as you can admit that you are just guessing. Have you found a complaint filed by the homeowner?

How many people were in that house anyway?

Dankasaur · 04-23-2013, 06:18 PM

The retardation in this thread is astounding. I'll leave it to you guys to figure out who I am talking about.

2012 · 04-24-2013, 10:19 AM

DWB · 04-24-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm shocked that you or anybody else would think this is "acceptable behavior"

I'd like to know how many of the submissive ones who think this is OK have ever had a loaded gun(s) put in their face before. And if they have and still think it is OK to point loaded weapons at their wife and kids, then they are a horrible father and husband who doesn't deserve the family he has. Because no one in their right mind should think it is OK for ANYONE to EVER point loaded weapons at your loved ones. Ever. No exceptions. Not under any circumstances. All it would take is once overzealous, scared, testosterone driven prick to accidentally squeeze a trigger, or think he saw something he didn't and you just lost a family member.

If you honestly think something like that is OK, you should really rethink your position as a husband, father, and roll model for your children.

Jel · 04-24-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm also having a hard time reconciling comments like these

i think it's fair to figure that watertown isn't a community of all retards that are like how johnny clips describes all of us.

so i can't figure out why the locals thought the situation was handled while we are all looking in scratching our heads?

Like I said before, it's a known phenomenon (though not well enough by me to remember what it's called lol) that you act like a jackass, then throw a crumb, you get gratitude in return.

It's what the whole good cop/bad cop routine is based on

theking · 04-24-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I'd like to know how many of the submissive ones who think this is OK have ever had a loaded gun(s) put in their face before. And if they have and still think it is OK to point loaded weapons at their wife and kids, then they are a horrible father and husband who doesn't deserve the family he has. Because no one in their right mind should think it is OK for ANYONE to EVER point loaded weapons at your loved ones. Ever. No exceptions. Not under any circumstances. All it would take is once overzealous, scared, testosterone driven prick to accidentally squeeze a trigger, or think he saw something he didn't and you just lost a family member.

If you honestly think something like that is OK, you should really rethink your position as a husband, father, and roll model for your children.

Do you know if their weapons were "locked and loaded" or simply loaded?

dyna mo · 04-24-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel

Like I said before, it's a known phenomenon (though not well enough by me to remember what it's called lol) that you act like a jackass, then throw a crumb, you get gratitude in return.

It's what the whole good cop/bad cop routine is based on

i see what you're saying. i don't understand it, but i can see a group think kind of thing being a part of explaining the comments.

i can see this and media bias explaining most of it,

GAMEFINEST · 04-24-2013, 02:18 PM

10,000 against 1

Captain Kawaii · 04-24-2013, 02:50 PM

Its a sad state for America at this point. I wonder when we will be ordered in for our bar codes to be applied.

I hope the person who shot the video does not have any trouble. If the cop to his/her left who he kept pointing cam at noticed the videotaping...

theking · 04-24-2013, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012

The commentary is utter fucking pigshit.

DWB · 04-24-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Do you know if their weapons were "locked and loaded" or simply loaded?

Does it really matter? If you have to ask, I'm guessing you've never had one (or many) in your face in a real life situation, other than the one you put in your own mouth when you get depressed. Because you're not wondering if one is in the chamber or not when it's pointed directly at you.

However, considering it was important enough to have 9000+ of them there hunting a guy who had shot at them, already killed one cop, thrown explosives at them, and planted the bomb in the first place, I'd recon they were chambered and ready to fire. No way they are going to let that kid get the drop on them.

baddog · 04-24-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I'd like to know how many of the submissive ones who think this is OK have ever had a loaded gun(s) put in their face before.

Numerous times

theking · 04-24-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Does it really matter? If you have to ask, I'm guessing you've never had one (or many) in your face in a real life situation, other than the one you put in your own mouth when you get depressed. Because you're not wondering if one is in the chamber or not when it's pointed directly at you.

However, considering it was important enough to have 9000+ of them there hunting a guy who had shot at them, already killed one cop, thrown explosives at them, and planted the bomb in the first place, I'd recon they were chambered and ready to fire. No way they are going to let that kid get the drop on them.

You would be guessing wrong...as you often do...sport. Not only in my "face"...but have been under fire multiple times during my time in the military. I have also had guns in my face by civilians and by the Police...on more than one occasion.

Rochard · 04-24-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

while we arm chair debate?

why do we have any laws at all? why was there these fine laws saying 'police are unable to enter a residence without a warrant'?

obviously the logic of 'if you have nothing to hide' applied just the same when the law was written as it does today

if it was so important, why does the law exist.

Perhaps you should learn the law before ranting. There are laws that state the police may enter your house for multiple reasons. Such as:

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Exigent circumstances?action is immediately necessary to prevent physical harm, preserve evidence or prevent a suspect from escaping.

They were looking for an armed suspect who had shot and killed a police officer and wounded dozens. They aren't looking for your fucking little pot stash.

_Richard_ · 04-24-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Perhaps you should learn the law before ranting. There are laws that state the police may enter your house for multiple reasons. Such as:

They were looking for an armed suspect who had shot and killed a police officer and wounded dozens. They aren't looking for your fucking little pot stash.

preserve evidence

so with your argument, they never need warrants, right?

but they do, so that whole 'exigent circumstances' must require a little more than three excuses...

you never answered my last question

if the cops put both you and your wife in the hospital, it would have been your fault, because you guys swore; is this correct?

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