Originally Posted by candyflip

..... 9,000 cops......

Originally Posted by nexcom28

Those cops have been waiting all there life for this moment and they know it will only happen once. They are acting out like it's a fucking movie.

But no, it's not ok.

Originally Posted by bronco67

I was thinking something like that too. Like how my dog watches me eat a pizza and drools. If I gave him a slice of pizza he'd go apeshit on it.

Originally Posted by purecane73

those cheering citizens are sheep, and apparently so are you..

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Says the guy who claims he would provide shelter to and harbor a suspected terrorist.

Me, a sheep? If you only knew me...





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Originally Posted by Jel

are you a retard?

'ask to check'

the whole fucking point is that you are ordered around and spoken to like a piece of shit - who is saying they wouldn't let them in? I'll tell you this much though - would I fuck keep my hands on my head - I'm too much of a stubborn idiotic prick who doesn't care about consequences until it's way too late, to allow myself to be treated like that. One of my many downfalls.

Originally Posted by DWB

So you seriously have no problem with you and your family (wife, kids, elderly parents) being taken out of your house, barked at, hands in the air, guns pointed at you, and then patted down like a criminal, all while they look for someone else who isn't even in your house?

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

i didnt really follow this event, all i heard was that Boston was in "lock down", does that equate to "martial law"? Martial law would be a situation where I would expect this type of actions, like it or not.


Personally I would hate to be treated like that, really really hate it..

Originally Posted by DWB

The home owner knows if someone is in his house or not, making that sort of treatment that much more abusive.

Originally Posted by Jel

are you a retard?

Originally Posted by Supz

Yea. Because you were there. Your a fucking idiot. Yea, the people are taking pictures with their hands on their head you fucking tool. Get a fucking clue.

You were there, you don't know what happened. You are making shit up just like the rest of the morons on this board. Unless your house is in Watertown and you were one of the people. Then shut the fuck up.

I am not sure whats with the internet and making people into liars and tough guys. Its an amazing thing..

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Originally Posted by baddog

Not necessarily and what if the suspect is in there with the guy's wife or kid and tells him to "make them go away or else?"



Well, they say it takes one to know one.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Harboring/supporting a suspected terrorist...good to know whose side the nutters are on.



As for the door-by-door search, the police were involved in the pursuit of some armed and extremely dangerous individuals, that allegedly perpetrated a cowardly and horrific assault on innocent civilians, killed a cop, and engaged the police in a fierce firefight the night before.

I guess the police were just supposed to nicely knock on the door, and when purecane73 answers the door and tells them no terrorists are present, they should just skip along to the next potential hiding spot, being careful not to offend anyone in the process.

The people that feel this was an invasion of their Constitutional rights should sue the police if they feel that their rights were violated, or they could have just used their 2nd amendment firearms to try and keep the police out (no doubt that's what a warrior like Alex Jone would have done), although I doubt that would have turned out very well either.

There was a recent high-profile kidnaping/disappearance of a teen girl in my region, and the police engaged in a door-to-door search, and although I was not happy at all to let the police in, the detectives were polite, looked around, saw that it was all clear and politely left. While inside, they could not help but notice my cannabis vaporizer and cannabis. I mentioned that I have a doctor issued medical marijuana card and they said that they didn't really care about that. It's been close to a year since that visit, and I've had no other visits from the police. I am satisfied that they were just doing their job (although the body of the girl has never been recovered, police are treating it now as a homicide, and have a suspect in jail awaiting trial).

While we armchair debate the issue, and possibly some lawsuits are filed, I believe that the residents of Watertown and the greater Boston area are overall pleased with the law enforcement effort to stop and apprehend two very dangerous individuals.

Or maybe these cheering citizens are just government operatives:





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Originally Posted by baddog

Not necessarily and what if the suspect is in there with the guy's wife or kid and tells him to "make them go away or else?"

Originally Posted by crucifissio

the police should do their job with courage and honor...if they are after somebody who is dangerous this does not mean they can act like highly armed pussies in armor and with air support...
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Originally Posted by DWB

Again, from the home occupants perspective.

The people in the house know if they are being held hostage or not, or if they are harboring a fugitive or not. And if the answer to both is NO, then being treated in that manner is still apparently OK for many people.

My comment has nothing to do with the police perspective or what they could be thinking.

The question is: Do you the home occupant, think it is OK to have yourself and family (kids, wife, elderly parents) treated in that manner, if you have done nothing wrong, are not hiding the suspect inside your house, and are not being held hostage by the suspect?

Originally Posted by d-null

I wonder what the result of these types of searches happening if the police happened to notice some completely unrelated crime in one of the houses, say a pot plant growing or something, would they turn a blind eye to it because of the circumstances? or would it be written up in some report and the people get busted later or watched etc?

Originally Posted by DWB

Good question.

I wonder if any of these people will be visited again or looked into after something noticed in their home. I can't fathom the nerves of the attic hydro grower when he saw the troops going door to door. You KNOW someone in at least one of those houses is growing.

Originally Posted by d-null

and that is part of the issue when people seem to say that they don't mind giving up their rights and privacy if it helps keep things nice and safe.... all laws are not just

Originally Posted by _Richard_

while we arm chair debate?

why do we have any laws at all? why was there these fine laws saying 'police are unable to enter a residence without a warrant'?

obviously the logic of 'if you have nothing to hide' applied just the same when the law was written as it does today

if it was so important, why does the law exist.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i just watched the entire video clip again, in full screen, like the 1st time, so 3x total.

1st thing, they didn't shoot the dog. :-) we've all heard too many of those stories.

next, i'm really trying to see where this particular crew got so far out of hand. is it where the one guy lifts back up the 1st guy's arms over his head? because after that is just the authorities letting each one of them run down the sidewalk to the safe area, just like the high schoolers running out of columbine. if someone has some specific timepoints they can point out, i'd take a gander.

since this video is in the public domain, it makes sense that the authorities would be forced to confront it and handle it if it's deemed this outfit acted billigerently.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Says the guy who claims he would provide shelter to and harbor a suspected terrorist.

Me, a sheep? If you only knew me...





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Originally Posted by DWB

Again, from the home occupants perspective.

The people in the house know if they are being held hostage or not, or if they are harboring a fugitive or not. And if the answer to both is NO, then being treated in that manner is still apparently OK for many people.

My comment has nothing to do with the police perspective or what they could be thinking.

The question is: Do you the home occupant, think it is OK to have yourself and family (kids, wife, elderly parents) treated in that manner, if you have done nothing wrong, are not hiding the suspect inside your house, and are not being held hostage by the suspect?

Originally Posted by Relentless

Clips with no context are useless...

Watch a mushroom cloud from WWII with no context and you'd say wow that's overkill too.
Put it in context and the exact same video becomes a lot more reasonable.

Originally Posted by Relentless

Clips with no context are useless...

Watch a mushroom cloud from WWII with no context and you'd say wow that's overkill too.
Put it in context and the exact same video becomes a lot more reasonable.

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5

I hope someone sues for violation of every right known to man

Originally Posted by Robbie

That is as disgusting and anti-American piece of "police work" as I've ever seen.

I can't believe that people say that is "okay".

Definitely not the country I grew up in. That video looks like it could have been shot in 1950's Soviet Union.

Originally Posted by ninavain

no mushroom cloud at anytime is reasonable

Originally Posted by Robbie

Going off the subject here...but NO! Dropping atomic bombs on two cities in Japan and killing innocent men, women, and children by the tens of thousands is NEVER "reasonable".It was an atrocity that history will look on very badly.

Originally Posted by epitome

Yeah, man, this shit is completely new!

Originally Posted by DWB

For me, the entire issue is having guns pointed at them, forced from their home, told to put their hands over their head, yelling at one of them, then patted them down like they were suspects, and the overall aggressive attitude.

Those people were clearly not the suspect. They were in their home minding their own business and got pulled out like that. Maybe this is the only house this happened to, or many 100s had this happen, we don't know, but I can't help but think how terrifying this would be for children.

Originally Posted by Relentless

It shortened the way by years, greatly reduced the number of casualties that would have results if the bombs were not dropped and allowed the US to wrap things up before the axis had similar destructive capabilities. The error was allowing the war to begin in the first place, not ending it in the fastest least deadly way possible.

Originally Posted by Relentless

If a nuke kills many less people in a much more humane way than no nuke... a mushroom cloud becomes very reasonable.
The same way choking someone to death is bad, but choking a gunman in a school to death is very reasonable,

Originally Posted by Robbie

Sorry Jesse, but that looks nothing like the paramilitary shit I just saw (complete with machine guns) laying siege to a citizen's home and bringing them out like criminals, patting them down, and then going through their private residence.

I don't know how you can even think that is the same.

Yes, if there is a shootout or a criminal holed up and the police are trying to get him out...then yes they would use the force in your picture. A few cops with normal guns.

NOT what appeared to be about 20 guys in military fatigues with automatic weapons raised and pointed at a citizen as the people are being forcibly taken from their homes and searched for absolutely nothing.

Ron Paul was right. He said after he was unable to win the nomination for President: "I had no idea it would be this hard to sell FREEDOM to the American people"

It's a disgrace. And so is the "it's okay" attitude that you and others have towards it.

Originally Posted by Rochard

The cops in that video were doing their job.

They were looking for a criminal for had killed three and hurt dozens with a bomb, shot and killed a police officer, kidnapped someone at gun point and stolen an SUV. The entire nation was holding it's breath. The police officers went door to door with weapons drawn.

I don't understand why people fear the police so much. If this shit happens in my hometown, I want my house to be the fucking police forward headquarters. Last year my hometown was evacuated due to the propane fire on a train, and one of the checkpoints was a few hundred feet from my house. I kid you not we bought doughnuts and made them coffee all night long, multiple nights. In fact, they weren't even police officers - they were unpaid volunteer "community service officers" from a neighboring city.

When this shit happens you bend over backwards for those who are trying to protect you. When your hometown has mad man running around in it and the police are banging on your door with their firearms drawn you had best do what they say.

Originally Posted by epitome

Please show me videos from Boston of people being forcefully taken from their homes and personally searched and not just homes being searched and cleared in search of domestic terrorists that terrorized a city for multiple days..

Originally Posted by Robbie

It doesn't matter what knee-jerk reaction was going on to an incident.

You DON"T do that in the United States of America (at least you're not supposed to).

This is the kind of thing I was taught in school that "Bad" countries did. Not the U.S.A.

But go ahead and think the way you do. I will continue to think that it was total and complete bullshit, just like being searched like a criminal at the airport is. I don't like living that way and I think it's un-American. Just my personal opinion.

Originally Posted by Robbie

That has already been proven to not be true. The generals in charge of the war are on record saying the war was already over. The Russians were coming in from the other side and the Japanese were scared of them and were offering to surrender.

Do some research. Some of this stuff just became declassified about the surrender of Japan in the last few years. It's pretty outrageous what our govt. did.

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5

The cops weren't even the ones who found the suspect!

Originally Posted by epitome

I am only going to entertain your thoughts this one time...

But I do have to wonder if while they were busy searching houses they were also busy searching the areas around houses... things like oh, I don't know, boats with tarps...