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Jel · 04-11-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

try being a communist in the 60s? black? there is plenty of examples of thoughts and beliefs turning into 'crimes' guided by the majority

anyway

my point really, is that in order for something to be 'a crime', someone needs to 'think, or 'believe', that an action is so unjust, it is punishable by death/incarceration/citation by society as a whole. Therefore, thoughts and beliefs are capable of becoming laws, and in extension capable of doing great harm to the 'greater good'

why you need to 'care'

Again, you confuse 'care' and 'want' with 'right'. Aside from that, the thoughts/beliefs of *anyone in the entire history of the human race* didn't turn into anything until an action was taken, whether that action was a physical occurence, or was an intent of a physical occurence.

As much as it might be to your distate that someone may believe eg gay men are less intelligent that straight men, you have about as much 'right' to force that person to believe otherwise as I do to 'make' you believe anything I do. With the paradox being, as I've said previously, that you have every right to believe you *do* have that right

EddyTheDog · 04-11-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel

Again, you confuse 'care' and 'want' with 'right'. Aside from that, the thoughts/beliefs of *anyone in the entire history of the human race* didn't turn into anything until an action was taken, whether that action was a physical occurence, or was an intent of a physical occurence.

As much as it might be to your distate that someone may believe eg gay men are less intelligent that straight men, you have about as much 'right' to force that person to believe otherwise as I do to 'make' you believe anything I do. With the paradox being, as I've said previously, that you have every right to believe you *do* have that right

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

- Voltaire

Jel · 04-11-2013, 04:58 PM

yeah, except me bothering to do any defending, and certainly not until death

tbh, not even the to say it portion of it either, but fuck, saying that *thoughts* should be set by 1 person to another? Naaaaah.

_Richard_ · 04-11-2013, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel

Again, you confuse 'care' and 'want' with 'right'. Aside from that, the thoughts/beliefs of *anyone in the entire history of the human race* didn't turn into anything until an action was taken, whether that action was a physical occurence, or was an intent of a physical occurence.

As much as it might be to your distate that someone may believe eg gay men are less intelligent that straight men, you have about as much 'right' to force that person to believe otherwise as I do to 'make' you believe anything I do. With the paradox being, as I've said previously, that you have every right to believe you *do* have that right

so why can't gays marry?

johnnyloadproductions · 04-11-2013, 05:08 PM

I love pissing gays off.

I lived with 2 gays for about 4 months in a dorm. They put me there because no one else wanted to live with them, truthfully, they were the best roommates I ever had. Lots of drama but it was manageable. I would simply stay put in my room.

One of them would have local married guys jacking off on webcam in the living room, I wasn't much into that.

Jel · 04-11-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

so why can't gays marry?

wtf does that have to do with the 'right' to force someone else to think a thought, or have a belief? You're missing my point so much that I'm starting to believe you're doing so on purpose.

Just because someone has a thought or belief that the majority of people disagree with, it doesn't give anyone the right to tell that person what to think or believe. Your own example above proves that even though it's illegal for gays to marry (in some places), the belief and/or thoughts of those gays isn't illegal. When at whatever point in the future it is illegal to *stop* gays from getting married, the belief of those against gay marriage still won't, and nor should it, be a crime. Put those thoughts/beliefs into actions though, and then it becomes, quite rightly, a crime.

The 'crime' I'm assuming (though you did warn me about that earlier) you are trying to point out, is the act of it being illegal for gays to marry in certain parts of the world. Again, that is an action, rather than just a mere thought/belief.

04-11-2013, 04:58 PM	#53
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	yeah, except me bothering to do any defending, and certainly not until death tbh, not even the to say it portion of it either, but fuck, saying that thoughts should be set by 1 person to another? Naaaaah.

04-11-2013, 05:08 PM	#55
johnnyloadproductions Account Shutdown Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Gone Posts: 3,611	I love pissing gays off. I lived with 2 gays for about 4 months in a dorm. They put me there because no one else wanted to live with them, truthfully, they were the best roommates I ever had. Lots of drama but it was manageable. I would simply stay put in my room. One of them would have local married guys jacking off on webcam in the living room, I wasn't much into that.