'Gay' couple face trial for raping adopted sons

[Google Expert]

http://www.ctnow.com/news/connecticu...,1350267.story

A judge on Friday allowed two Glastonbury men, accused two years ago of sexually assaulting two of their nine adopted boys, to withdraw their no-contest pleas and take their cases to trial.

The unusual action came during what was to be a sentencing hearing for George Harasz and Douglas Wirth, who entered pleas in January to one felony count each of risk of injury to a minor. They agreed to suspended prison sentences. The only issue for Fridays hearing was to be whether each would be required to register as sex offenders.

But a new allegation of sexual assault against Harasz by one of the victims, contained in a pre-sentence investigation of Harasz, helped scrap the plea agreement. The case was further clouded Friday by disclosure in court of new allegations of abuse by three other of the nine children. No new criminal charges have been filed.

[Lichen]

They allow sexual deviants to be around kids what did you think would happen?

Not only are the Gays sick but our courts are sick for allowing this to happen in the first place.

[John-ACWM]

There is good and bad everywhere, sad there are kids involved.

[epitome]

They allow sexual deviants to be around kids what did you think would happen?

Not only are the Gays sick but our courts are sick for allowing this to happen in the first place.

I hope you're joking and not actually that ignorant?

[Grapesoda]

http://www.ctnow.com/news/connecticu...,1350267.story

A judge on Friday allowed two Glastonbury men, accused two years ago of sexually assaulting two of their nine adopted boys, to withdraw their no-contest pleas and take their cases to trial.

The unusual action came during what was to be a sentencing hearing for George Harasz and Douglas Wirth, who entered pleas in January to one felony count each of risk of injury to a minor. They agreed to suspended prison sentences. The only issue for Fridays hearing was to be whether each would be required to register as sex offenders.

But a new allegation of sexual assault against Harasz by one of the victims, contained in a pre-sentence investigation of Harasz, helped scrap the plea agreement. The case was further clouded Friday by disclosure in court of new allegations of abuse by three other of the nine children. No new criminal charges have been filed.

this story will be buried pretty quick. it's really not acceptable to the common narrative publishing anything that puts homosexuality in a negative light

[Grapesoda]

I hope you're joking and not actually that ignorant?

you might need to seriously consider that some people don't agree with homosexuality

[_Richard_]

this story will be buried pretty quick. it's really not acceptable to the common narrative publishing anything that puts homosexuality in a negative light

can you provide an article where that states 'heterosexual couple abuses children'

if there isn't, that's some sick discrimination right there

[Phoenix]

i didnt read the article...but they are still allowed children after the abuse?

i would think any parent straight gay curved or bent should lose their kids and rights to have kids once you decide to have sex with them...wtf

[Jel]

can you provide an article where that states 'heterosexual couple abuses children'

if there isn't, that's some sick discrimination right there

come on, even you must know the difference between discrimination and attention-grabbing sensationalism?

[Grapesoda]

can you provide an article where that states 'heterosexual couple abuses children'

if there isn't, that's some sick discrimination right there

child abuse is universal in western countries... EVEN gay couples abuse children. the facts are hard to determine due to political agendas on BOTH sides.. you would think with gays being a smalerl portion of the general population the numbers would be smaller but more than likely the same ratio.

I did find some numbers from the 80's but I chose not to believe them:


* Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19)
* 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9)
* Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality" (22)

(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275

(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1502263/posts


please explain how 'sick and discrimination' fit into that statement?

[Grapesoda]

can you provide an article where that states 'heterosexual couple abuses children'

if there isn't, that's some sick discrimination right there

you ever hear about google?

https://www.google.com/search?q=coup...w=1280&bih=709

https://www.google.com/search?q=coup...w=1280&bih=709

[_Richard_]

come on, even you must know the difference between discrimination and attention-grabbing sensationalism?

you apparently don't

[_Richard_]

child abuse is universal in western countries... EVEN gay couples abuse children. the facts are hard to determine due to political agendas on BOTH sides.. you would think with gays being a smalerl portion of the general population the numbers would be smaller but more than likely the same ratio.

I did find some numbers from the 80's but I chose not to believe them:


* Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19)
* 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9)
* Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality" (22)

(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275

(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1502263/posts


please explain how 'sick and discrimination' fit into that statement?

did you seriously cite a republican catholic study on the evils of molesting children?

[brassmonkey]

damn

[Rochard]

They allow sexual deviants to be around kids what did you think would happen?

Not only are the Gays sick but our courts are sick for allowing this to happen in the first place.

Fucking stunning that you work in the adult industry.

You work in the adult industry, and the general public defines all of us as "sick" and "perverted".

[_Richard_]

Fucking stunning that you work in the adult industry.

You work in the adult industry, and the general public defines all of us as "sick" and "perverted".

[Jel]

Fucking stunning that you work in the adult industry.

You work in the adult industry, and the general public defines all of us as "sick" and "perverted".

To play devil's advocate slightly, are those that do, not allowed to think of us in such a way? Don't they have every right to think we are all sick and perverted? When did what other people think about you/I/someone else become such a big deal, and 'wrong'?

I don't agree with the poster, but what business is it of mine, or anyone else's, what his or her choices and beliefs are?

[_Richard_]

when they start voting to make their beliefs yours?

[Jel]

when they start voting to make their beliefs yours?

whut? and that's my business how? that's the whole purpose of the voting system, no?

[_Richard_]

and the ultimate answer to your question

[Best-In-BC]

People worry because kids observe and alot of people have a issue with kids finding it acceptable to have a male lover.

[Jel]

and the ultimate answer to your question

ok oh wise one

[Grapesoda]

did you seriously cite a republican catholic study on the evils of molesting children?

did you seriously not READ the line that said I chose not to believe the 'facts'? is that how you get by? not reading, ignoring and making accusations to feel superior? just askin... you know?

[Grapesoda]

Fucking stunning that you work in the adult industry.

You work in the adult industry, and the general public defines all of us as "sick" and "perverted".

we don't know that the poster does in fact work in the adult industry Richard..

[_Richard_]

did you seriously not READ the line that said I chose not to believe the 'facts'? is that how you get by? not reading, ignoring and making accusations to feel superior? just askin... you know?

so you did seriously post a link citing studies done by republican Catholics into the evils of homosexuals molesting children?

I know GFY has a hard time defining 'irony'

but i believe this fits

[_Richard_]

ok oh wise one

is being able to interpret reality and common sense wise now?

why ask questions on the internet if you're gonna be upset by the answer?

[Jman]

They allow sexual deviants to be around kids what did you think would happen?

Not only are the Gays sick but our courts are sick for allowing this to happen in the first place.

What a fucking IDIOT you are. I can bet anything you'll run away with your tail between your legs like the pussy you are instead of coming in this thread and let us know why you think that way.

Gay or NOT Gay... Abusing/raping a child is something worth being hanged

[Jel]

To play devil's advocate slightly, are those that do, not allowed to think of us in such a way? Don't they have every right to think we are all sick and perverted? When did what other people think about you/I/someone else become such a big deal, and 'wrong'?

I don't agree with the poster, but what business is it of mine, or anyone else's, what his or her choices and beliefs are?

when they start voting to make their beliefs yours?

whut? and that's my business how? that's the whole purpose of the voting system, no?

and the ultimate answer to your question

ok oh wise one

is being able to interpret reality and common sense wise now?

why ask questions on the internet if you're gonna be upset by the answer?

Educate me as to the ultimate answer you gave - I'm not seeing it. Don't tell me I'm dumb, I know that already, just give me the answer as to what business it is of mine what another person thinks, and what them having a voter with the free will to vote for what they believe in has to do with it, if anything. In simple terms, because I'm *really* dumb.

[alex.missyouth]

They definitely didn't regard them as sons of their own. Fucking abusive motherfuckers.

[_Richard_]

Educate me as to the ultimate answer you gave - I'm not seeing it. Don't tell me I'm dumb, I know that already, just give me the answer as to what business it is of mine what another person thinks, and what them having a voter with the free will to vote for what they believe in has to do with it, if anything. In simple terms, because I'm *really* dumb.

you took a good first step and laid it out for yourself

if you really feel dumb, figuring out should help with that, and i don't wanna interfere

[Jel]

you took a good first step and laid it out for yourself

if you really feel dumb, figuring out should help with that, and i don't wanna interfere

I could have put a million dollars on that. Here's what I figure: you, I, anyone - has zero right to have a say in what other people want to think and/or believe. Think about it - your basic human right is the right to think what YOU think, and you'd be (and in fact often are, regarding your own truther beliefs and whatnot) up in arms if anyone told you you HAD to think abc or xyz. Why are you so grandiose and arrogant as to believe you have that right though, when it comes to someone else?

From what I can make out, from your cryptic and evasive replies, is that because eg homophobes will 'get power', and 'make us' believe they beliefs are correct, and so on, until we are all under control by 'them'. So you need to control others' thinking, so that they don't in turn instil in you the 'wrong' type of thinking as defined by you.

Well fuck that thankyou very much, and fuck you for not having the balls to answer a direct question and state *your* beliefs. I have more respect for any ignoramus who is homophobic, racist, etc for at least standing by those beliefs

[Sarah_Jayne]

Fucking stunning that you work in the adult industry.

You work in the adult industry, and the general public defines all of us as "sick" and "perverted".

I was pretty stunned by some of the openly stated homophobia that I heard at the Phoenix Forum. Right down to the limp hand gesture. I was actually pretty ashamed of those individuals at times.

Ah, I feel an article brewing in my head.

[GrantMercury]

They allow sexual deviants to be around kids what did you think would happen?

Says the man posting on GFY, a site packed with sexual depravity.

[_Richard_]

I could have put a million dollars on that. Here's what I figure: you, I, anyone - has zero right to have a say in what other people want to think and/or believe. Think about it - your basic human right is the right to think what YOU think, and you'd be (and in fact often are, regarding your own truther beliefs and whatnot) up in arms if anyone told you you HAD to think abc or xyz. Why are you so grandiose and arrogant as to believe you have that right though, when it comes to someone else?

From what I can make out, from your cryptic and evasive replies, is that because eg homophobes will 'get power', and 'make us' believe they beliefs are correct, and so on, until we are all under control by 'them'. So you need to control others' thinking, so that they don't in turn instil in you the 'wrong' type of thinking as defined by you.

Well fuck that thankyou very much, and fuck you for not having the balls to answer a direct question and state *your* beliefs. I have more respect for any ignoramus who is homophobic, racist, etc for at least standing by those beliefs

you, i, and everyone DO have a right to say what other people think and believe

in fact, you have the power to forcefully stop them. It's called murder, rape, and a series of other horrific crimes that society as a whole has decided 'isn't correct'.

Why democracy, and 'caring what other people think', is so important. Without information and the ability to counter-act misinformation, you (as a whole) could let down your country by allowing laws and bills to pass that could effectively remove constitutional rights based on 'beliefs and opinions'

I don't care, at all, what the 'belief of a homosexual' is, anymore than a 'heterosexual'. I care about people

you ever hear that quote about 'assumptions'?

[Jel]

you, i, and everyone DO have a right to say what other people think and believe

in fact, you have the power to forcefully stop them. It's called murder, rape, and a series of other horrific crimes that society as a whole has decided 'isn't correct'.

Why democracy, and 'caring what other people think', is so important. Without information and the ability to counter-act misinformation, you (as a whole) could let down your country by allowing laws and bills to pass that could effectively remove constitutional rights based on 'beliefs and opinions'

I don't care, at all, what the 'belief of a homosexual' is, anymore than a 'heterosexual'. I care about people

you ever hear that quote about 'assumptions'?

the things you listed are crimes, and rightfully so. Having the belief that homosexuality is wrong, isn't. It's like caring if someone believes the sky is purple. If they *act* on that belief, to the detriment of others, that's a whole different ballgame of course. Democracy will survive in this day and age if some people are racist, or homophobic, or sexist, or whatever the fuck else they CHOOSE to be, in their thoughts.

To believe you have the right to TELL someone else what they should think is just plain wrong (I believe), though at the same time, if you believe it's your right to tell someone else what to believe or think, then crack on. You think you are gonna change a homophobe's mind because you told him to think a different way? Dream on

[Jel]

you, i, and everyone DO have a right to say what other people think and believe

And no, we so don't have that 'right'. No human has that right over another human.

[_Richard_]

the things you listed are crimes, and rightfully so. Having the belief that homosexuality is wrong, isn't. It's like caring if someone believes the sky is purple. If they *act* on that belief, to the detriment of others, that's a whole different ballgame of course. Democracy will survive in this day and age if some people are racist, or homophobic, or sexist, or whatever the fuck else they CHOOSE to be, in their thoughts.

To believe you have the right to TELL someone else what they should think is just plain wrong (I believe), though at the same time, if you believe it's your right to tell someone else what to believe or think, then crack on. You think you are gonna change a homophobe's mind because you told him to think a different way? Dream on

is it a crime if we do it to other countries? or our own citizens in other countries, or our own citizens in our own country? when does it break down?

while changing a homophobes mind is one thing, gradual change public perception is another. which is what im talking about here, with democracy and 'caring what common beliefs and ideas are'. Cause the law saying 'the only good pornographer is a dead pornographer' is really only one election away

[_Richard_]

And no, we so don't have that 'right'. No human has that right over another human.

so why do we have crimes Jel?

[WarChild]

What if homosexuality is just nature's way of saying you're a genetic dead end? I mean it's most likely not the case, but still it is a possibility. Of course we could never explore such ideas because we might hurt somebody's feelings. That's the problem with this ultra liberal cry baby society. What this World needs is more people like me stomping out more people like Richard here. Really improve the whole place.

[Jel]

is it a crime if we do it to other countries? or our own citizens in other countries, or our own citizens in our own country? when does it break down?

while changing a homophobes mind is one thing, gradual change public perception is another. which is what im talking about here, with democracy and 'caring what common beliefs and ideas are'. Cause the law saying 'the only good pornographer is a dead pornographer' is really only one election away

caring what common beliefs and ideas are is one thing, being unable to distinguish a 'want' for a 'right' is another.

Would I like it if they were no racists, homophobes, sexists, etc? Sure I would. Thinking I have any 'right' to force people to believe what *I* want them to is in my book, no different from a racist believing they have a 'right' to force me to believe in their ideals. A bit like the anti-religious nuts being just as bad as the religious nuts.

[Jel]

so why do we have crimes Jel?

Crimes have zero to do with what I'm saying here, unless purely thinking that gays or blacks or women etc are inferior in some way is a crime in itself. It's retarded, it's illogical, it's fucking dumb imo, but it isn't a crime, nor is it my right to *make* anyone who doesn't believe what I do, believe what I do.

I can put my point across, I can lead by example, but I sure as fuck can't start believing it's my 'right' to change anyone's way of thinking.

[_Richard_]

Crimes have zero to do with what I'm saying here, unless purely thinking that gays or blacks or women etc are inferior in some way is a crime in itself. It's retarded, it's illogical, it's fucking dumb imo, but it isn't a crime, nor is it my right to *make* anyone who doesn't believe what I do, believe what I do.

I can put my point across, I can lead by example, but I sure as fuck can't start believing it's my 'right' to change anyone's way of thinking.

unless it's a crime

right?

[Grapesoda]

I was pretty stunned by some of the openly stated homophobia that I heard at the Phoenix Forum. Right down to the limp hand gesture. I was actually pretty ashamed of those individuals at times.

Ah, I feel an article brewing in my head.

Sarah, while homosexually has been politically jammed down everyone's throat, everyone is not okay with it... that's just the reality of it...

[Grapesoda]

so you did seriously post a link citing studies done by republican Catholics into the evils of homosexuals molesting children?

I know GFY has a hard time defining 'irony'

but i believe this fits

pls use google to find the reference sited -- has nothing to do with the 'republican Catholics' just a factoid pulled up from a study and published by many many other publications BUT as I've stated which for some reason you don't seem to be able to comprehend, I don't believe it.. ..

[Sarah_Jayne]

Sarah, while homosexually has been politically jammed down everyone's throat, everyone is not okay with it... that's just the reality of it...

The Phoenix Forum, however, is known to be the show where the gay market is present. So, don't go to that show if you have any problems not making homophobic comments. By all means be a jerk in your own home.

[Jel]

unless it's a crime

right?

Crimes are actions that are punishable by society, not thoughts/beliefs that are punishable by society. A thought/belief cannot be a crime (so far at least, thank fuck). Unless you are saying that some thoughts should be crimes that are punishable? Or that some beliefs are crimes?

[Grapesoda]

The Phoenix Forum, however, is known to be the show where the gay market is present. So, don't go to that show if you have any problems not making homophobic comments. By all means be a jerk in your own home.

not sure if you are directing this at me... 1. I did not go to the show, 2. if people want to be gay how does that concern me? 3. you need to realize no matter how cool YOU think it is, some people don't care for it, just like some people will not do business with because I work in adult...

[_Richard_]

Crimes are actions that are punishable by society, not thoughts/beliefs that are punishable by society. A thought/belief cannot be a crime (so far at least, thank fuck). Unless you are saying that some thoughts should be crimes that are punishable? Or that some beliefs are crimes?

try being a communist in the 60s? black? there is plenty of examples of thoughts and beliefs turning into 'crimes' guided by the majority

anyway

my point really, is that in order for something to be 'a crime', someone needs to 'think, or 'believe', that an action is so unjust, it is punishable by death/incarceration/citation by society as a whole. Therefore, thoughts and beliefs are capable of becoming laws, and in extension capable of doing great harm to the 'greater good'

why you need to 'care'

[_Richard_]

pls use google to find the reference sited -- has nothing to do with the 'republican Catholics' just a factoid pulled up from a study and published by many many other publications BUT as I've stated which for some reason you don't seem to be able to comprehend, I don't believe it.. ..

no dude, usually i like chatting with you, but you seriously cited a republican catholic study into the detrimental affects of homosexuality

i don't have time for this

better luck next time

[Sarah_Jayne]

not sure if you are directing this at me... 1. I did not go to the show, 2. if people want to be gay how does that concern me? 3. you need to realize no matter how cool YOU think it is, some people don't care for it, just like some people will not do business with because I work in adult...

The only way in which I was directing what I said at you was as a response to why people may have been displaying homophobic behavior at the specific event I mentioned. My point was that if somebody has problems doing business with or around those that represent the gay market within this industry then they should really rethink attending the singular show of the year where there are many people from the gay side as the straight in attendance and sponsoring. If they put themselves into that environment and then act like homophobic jerks, yes I will comment.