If some site has excessive advertising, maybe just don't visit that site?

Lets say for example, I run a night club and charge $20 cover charge to enter, if you don't like that, you go to a different night club, no? or do you think it's ok to sneak through the back door, because the cover charge is "excessive"?

advertising, excessive or not, is a revenue stream for the website owner... if you are disabling advertising, you are consuming content without paying full price for it, in effect fucking over the website owner...

Cue dumbass retort "But it's all over and I can get it somewhere else." Then get it somewhere else, nobody forces you to visit these sites.

From some of the comments within this thread it would appear that a nerve has been hit.

A tube site vulnerability has clearly been exposed!

A business model based upon thievery is crying out to the people they have fucked over, that the ads they use to monetize their theft can be compromised.

Sweet irony!

Good stuff!

It has nothing to do with tube sites... It's about ruining legit webmasters.... You're so naive... :disgust

And you pay models to produce what content for what sites, again?

Oh yeah, none of course - just another leach, crying about not being able to monetize what you never produced to begin with.

I feel your pain man. :1orglaugh

Clearly you're upset that your content is being stolen by scumbags, but going around and ruining legitimate webmasters businesses because of a few bad apples is detrimental to fixing any problems, and it's just gonna blow up in your face.

Judging by the looks of your sites, and traffic rankings, you don't have any affiliates, or at least any that send traffic.... Otherwise your site would have an alexa rank lower than 2.5 million... Shit even a site I have that gets literally a handful of visitors a day, is more than cutting your rank in half...

You have no clue what goes into running any websites as an affiliate, you spam your "content" on GFY for the surfers of the board to visit and hopefully sign up.... I assume that the bulk of your revenue is based on selling your "content" to small time companies at a low rate... You've never dealt with an affiliate who supplements his traffic that doesn't convert by pulling out a credit card and buying a membership, by using advertising networks that pay via CPM, CPC, or CPA....

So until you have something to show that actually makes a difference or matters in this argument, how about you shut your trap, and let the people who do know what's going on and how to handle things talk.

How is using ad blockers stealing?

That is like saying skipping commercials on your DVR is stealing.

First question, yes.

Second question, go to a different night club, yes.

Third question, no.

The tubes are not the problem. Stolen content is the problem and there are indeed ways to to deal with those sites outside of fruitless DMCA complaints that for the most part don't get anyone's attention.

:2 cents:

So your answer is no then - you do NOT produce any content whatsoever.

That's what I assumed to begin with.

Lame-oooooo!

My 2 cents is tubes are a problem because they are safe harbors for so much of that stolen content.

All the problems always come back to having let the punters in to the industry. If they do not produce, fuck or know somoneone that wants to get fucked.... Perhaps they are not a punter but they are also not worth effort of arguing with.

Let you in on a secret;
A major part of any business is working with people or entities that share common interests or goals. Keeping this in your mind, you should know that there has always been relationships of one sort or another between police, churches, gouvernements and even also... the porn industry.

Therefore it would appear to me that perhaps the American Family Association shares many common interests and goals with today's porn producer.

now this cracked me up :1orglaugh

An angry tube...

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...m/46838943.jpg

:1orglaugh

Adblock is terrible and this is a terrible idea.
You are stealing bandwidth by using adblock.

Either way good luck getting the millions of users that use pornhub to use adblock. A single user isn't going to make a difference. And if it did they'd install adblock protection.


I actually just installed and adblock redirection script. It redirects users with adblock to a page that shows my hosting bill and the page has a "purchase premium to remove ads" button.

I think this could actually boost sales for me. It'll show people running the website is not cheap and they'll consider purchasing premium. If not I don't need users blocking ads on my website. All they'd be doing is getting free content and taking my bandwidth and server resources.

Adapt or change your model. People with ad blockers are not stealing. They also didn't approve of the pop under on their PC. But shit happens. Technology happens. The value of things change.

I used to pay $20 fora CD for 2 good songs. Looking back that was total bullshit. The music industry was stealing from me. But I agreed to it. Shit is better now for the consumer.

Music has changed and so will TV because of DVRs.

I thought of an easy way to fix people not seeing ads. It took me two seconds to think of it.

Instead of a commerial during Conan. Conan will need to do the ad himself right in the middle of his show when u least expect it.

"Ha ha that was funny Andy, now let me show you Bounty the quicker picker upper"

Just like they do in podcasts.

That used to be pretty common on TV, here's one of my favorite examples of it:

:)

lucky strike :1orglaugh

Wheras I guess you click every ad on every site you visit, and buy stuff from whatever vendor is advertising? No? Then you are also "fucking over the website owner".

All advertising does is cripple load times and/or stop pages working completely.

Actually you didn't agree to it, you just didn't have a choice. The thing the music (in fact all) industries hate is consumers having a choice. Online piracy isn't about people wanting to steal, it's about wanting something conveniently and easily without being ripped off.

Cool. Good luck with that :thumbsup

Why I have a feeling BFT3K discovered the ad block in 2013 :)

Yeah, im sure buyers of your product won't populate their automatic tube with ads...:321GFY

It is easy to block popups, not popunders.

If you close a pop under before it opens, Does the site still get paid?

It's not just banners being blocked anymore. I am the lead developer for a largeish (~3.5 million pageviews per day) mainstream classifieds website and a lot of our html div tags have the word "ad" as part of the id. Those divs get blocked too, which means that people who use ad blockers can't see our actual content.

Around 30% of our income is based on display advertising and we have made the decision not to change the id of the div tags. If people disable our bannners, then we don't really care if they are unable to use our site. The way I see it, and this is stated in our terms of use as well, is that the surfers enters an agreement between them and our site to pay us for using our site, by letting us display ads to them. They are simply not welcome if they don't agree to that.

Fortunately for us, most of our users are loyal to us and disable their adblockers when they learn that they are unable to use the site as long as it is enabled.

This is a difficult topic. In non-adult, ads are a decent way to generate some revenue, but usually don't generate enough to cover cost. There are other revenue models site owners need to look at, but I can really only speak about non-adult.

For example, many blogs have abandons traditional banner advertising because the trade-off is too great. The ad networks display ads that are not relevant or even harmful to the blog's message. An example would be an ad for weight loss pills or fast food on a healthy eating blog.

Some alternative ways to generate revenue are the sale of content such as e-books, consultation services, and sponsored blog posts.

I simply don't believe that banner advertising has a future. How effective are they really? How efficient are they? And of course, what happens to revenue when people start blocking advertisement?

This football streaming site is disabling content if Adblock is detected

http://www.nutjob.eu/

His ads are excessive though, which is why I enabled Ablock on his site but not on other similar sites.

CTR seems to be falling like mad in adult and from what I understand the same trend is occurring in mainstream. As people get more used to the internet they tend to click on banners far less. I think this is driving the push towards popunders since many popunder scripts can get past the ad blockers and it FORCES the visitor to generate some revenue for you.

What would really be cool would be automatic micro or nano transactions built into the browsers as a standard. It's tough to do now because of the credit card monopoly but how it would work would be that the user would simply load some credits every once in a while into a general account and then when the user visits the site they would be prompted to agree or disagree to the charges and schedule of charges. The browser would enforce the schedule and take care of the security. Server side optionally it would likewise be enforced depending on policy (voluntary or mandatory payment,etc) The payments would be extremely small in most cases. Say 0.5 cents (half a cent) for each day the user visits the site or maybe for each video the user views. The idea is to keep the charges small so the user doesn't care yet at the same time with volume it replaces the revenue from ads (and maybe more) for the site owner. It could only work with volume though where it's a standard and nearly everyone has it installed. IOW it's just a dream right now.

http://safariadblock.com/ blocks popunders too - like a charm. :)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh it go's forward not backwards.

Tubes Gone Yet ?

Youtube opened the pandora box, I don't think it can be stopped.

The Tube model will go the way of the dinosaurs when their owners and future adult webmasters are shown how more money can be made with other sites that consume less resources and time to maintain. They have to be led by the hand. It may even involve some of the veterans publishing a step by step tutorial or a journal.

There is simply way too much greed, ignorance and ill conceived logic to contend with for any other outcome to occur.

Time to maintain a tube... Is this a joke? :1orglaugh

I do't put ads on any of my sites and I don't buy ads, all my traffic is through natural SEO and exchanges. I think adblockers are great.

If I wanted to advertise I would use text links or blog posts.

I know. What was I thinking when I wrote that?

Imagine how much more money a Tube could make if there was some rhyme and reason to it other than a bunch of ads being barfed up on to a blank page.

Seriously he is amazing and he thinks that tubes can't advertise with text ads, what a joke...