It appears to me that the adblock program knocked out any iframe ads on the page.

No, that's not a good thing either.

I'm just saying that popups and popunders and everything like them are not good advertising.

And people using them are what leads to stuff like ad blocker software.

I wouldn't promote ad blocker software, but I'm very sympathetic to what people go through with that crap ruining their experience on a page.

It's a damn shame too. Years ago we used to sell pop up blockers. Then the browsers themselves developed them. Pop ups were so bad on porn sites back then that it would literally keep popping new windows until your computer ran out of resources and had to be rebooted (computers back then only had a few hundred MB's of memory IF you had the expensive ones).

So what did dumbass people do? They came up with MORE annoying ways to circumvent the browser popup blocker.
And now we have ad blocker software. :(

As usual, some people are shooting themselves in the foot.

Don't blame BFT3K. He's a frustrated, honest person trying to make a living.

Instead, blame the dumbasses who keep implementing new ways to fuck with surfers and cause things like ad blockers to become necessary. :(

What you're advocating is no better..

I'm with you on the intrusive ads, but adblock programs do more than "knock out a few iframes" it actively looks for keywords people use in their pages to show ads, for instance, you have all your sponsor banners in a folder

example.com/images/banners/claudia-marie.gif

Guess what? Adblock matched that url based on "banners" and blocked it.. They also block any keywords in javascript method names and urls too.. The authors of these programs constantly browse sites with ads on them trying to find the new "tricks" used to circumvent these attempts to get around the blockers and sends out updates with new matching algorithms on them...

They are by far more destructive to our business and industry than Manwin or Pornhub will ever be... So using and promoting adblockers to surfers... You may as well just whitelist any Manwin IP as a safe IP to view all your members area and full content without paying, and let them upload 100% of your content full length on their tubes, because guess what... You ain't gonna make shit when every banner for a pay site on your site is blocked.

And text links? What happens when you circumvent the blockers by using text links? They put in algorithms to match on text links and start blocking based on those too...

Anybody with half a fucking brain will know how bad these types of extensions and plugins are for our industry... And BFT3K being angry and just trying to make a living? Welcome to 100% of the industry, but you don't see them going out and promoting fucking adblockers all over the place.... I could see if he was just frustrated and speaking out of anger yesterday, but I was hoping he came to his senses after cooling down and realized how stupid his idea was and apologized and we went on our way, but clearly you can see he doesn't give a fuck about anybody else and if it doesn't affect his business (which it does) he doesn't care. So fuck him.

you are retarded. :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

To be fair, that's been a base practice by most ad blocker software over the past decade, to block standard IAB (Internet Advertising Bureau) banner specifications, common keywords for banner names and folders (banners, ads, etc), not to mention a multitude of banner ad servers in various database lists. My point is, this is not at all exclusive to adblock or adblock plus.

Some of the easiest way around most of them is to store your banners locally, on the SAME domain as the content, and use folder names like pictures, media or whatever to store them, and name the banners anything other than common banner names or names with banner dimensions in the filenames. For implementation, add a pixel or two to the banner sizes. So, 302x301 for example instead of 300x300. There's a multitude of ways around it if one really wants to do it.

But I'd never ever block someone from accessing our sites who has one installed. Instead, we try to engage that user in alternate methods that may be more complementary to the experience they seek.

But this thread isn't about how blockers work it's about the fact that someone makes a living by webmasters advertising their sites on theirs, is advocating the use of such detrimental methods...

Hi Killswitch,

You shouldn't get so mad. This is a really interesting thread and maybe there's alot to learn on all sides here.

My beef is with INTRUSIVE ads. Pop-ups / Pop-unders, ads that crawl across the content I'm trying to read, etc. The trick is to avoid reaching the tipping point: Too many intrusive ads cause surfers's enjoyment to drop, or in this case to use ad blocker software.

By crying about and or ignoring adblock-type software, big site owners are ignoring the overall problem. They will still lose eyeballs on their ads either way.

again: This is a good business thread. You should keep checking it out.

This thread is about a halfwit numbskull who thinks that promoting the use of adblock programs is gonna all of the sudden take the industry back to 1998 and everyone will be swimming in cash..

I'm angry, because you dumbasses actually believe it is useful...

Hey I just thought of a GREAT example : GFY.com.

All kinds of people hang out here and GFY makes great money selling NON-INTRUSIVE ads. Banners at the top and bottom, pinned threads, and skins once in a while.

This lets all the content be seen and the ads noticed. Interested people click the ads. Everyone is served the ads, adverisers get clicks, gfy gets content. A PERFECT example of how it should be done.

Imagine GFY it it were loaded with Pop-ups/unders, crawlers and other stupid shit you see on dozens of other sites? People would complain like crazy. Some will ad-block, many would leave, right?

I don't know if it will be useful or not. My point is, is that is a natural reaction. People are pissed off because of the onslaught of super-heavy advertising.

What do you do btw? Why are you so against the idea? Do you spend alot of money in ads? Again just as a reminder, we pay to advertise, so I think my opinion counts in this thread. I want to find a way for my ads to be seen too, but then again I only want them to be seen by those who want to see them.

Fair enough. Admittedly, I have no dog in this race anyway. I can't tell you the last time I visited a tube site (beyond YouTube). It has to be 2 or 3 years since I visited any of the major porn tube sites so no idea how invasive the ads are these days.

if you could create an ad blocker right now that would make you more money than you made in the past 5 years, would you create it? just curious

What do I do? I make money by advertising pay sites who have graciously gave me their content to give a reason for me to advertise their site and make money from them...

Like I told Robbie, I'm against intrusive ads, but blocking ALL ads is NOT gonna help this industry, nor is it gonna harm Manwin and all the major tube sites. But it WILL harm the people who do it legit... It's like using a flame thrower to light your cigarette... It's not gonna do anything but blow up in your face.

Not speaking for Woj but as a programmer myself, I can create tons of stuff that could make me rich, but some of us have morals and won't do that type of shit.

Honestly, I am glad to see the bar getting raised, and a thinning of the herd. At the end of the day, you find out who really are business minded folk who know how to adjust with the marketplace versus those who survived on blind luck for a long long time.

There is a grand canyon of difference shown on this forum, and within the industry, daily regarding those who know how to run a business, and think like it. Versus those who have never learned to convert a sale, or possess any level of marketing and understanding.

For a long time people could get by on pure luck and laziness saying, "Here is some free shit. You like? Sign up." Now it's a lot more difficult as free porn is everywhere. You have to actually HAVE something of value to convert a sale, and retain the member. You have to know how to actually convert traffic to a sale, and convince that surfer you have something worth purchasing in the first place. As many have no clue about marketing and sales beyond, "look at some free shit, now buy", they fail and cry about it on forums daily.

According to their logic, it's everyone else's fault but their own.

:2 cents:

morally bad is like....botting, and exploiting, and deceptive billing. thats where i would draw lines. but creating a legitimate tool is not the work of Satan. this was all inevitable. and since when isnt this a dog eat dog industry

great thread, shows a lot where people are and more to avoid

writing a tool (ad blocker) that fucks over internet marketers, is not much different than running a site that fucks over content producers (file locker, tube site, etc)... :2 cents:

Some people like to watch the world burn, I like to use my skills to help people, you can see I've shared many things that I have personally made, that I could have sold and have even decided to create a newsletter where I find something or make something of my own and mail it out to everyone who's subscribed every Friday..

I feel being productive and useful in the industry is better than being a piece of shit who only thinks for himself, because in the end, those people are the people who kill the industry.

I'd like to look at myself at 50 years old and still be making a living as my own boss on the internet, not working at Walmart, because my industry of 4.5billion dollars a year in revenue was wiped out by a bunch of fucking ass clowns.

Summed up toe perfection.

:thumbsup

Most dont even have anything to offer. its just a bunch of surfers with a carrot on a stick attached to their heads. and someones supposed to feel bad for these ad sites.

i agree with what barefootsies said. a raise of the bar is a good thing. if you cant hang, mcdonalds is always hiring.

this isnt going to stop no matter how much its complained about. ive made good money on concepts only to have them dwindle to nothing. im not trying to come off as some pro, but really its happened time and time again. i dont even get butthurt anymore

LOL. you can attack my work all you want. I certainly have opportunities to improve what i do.

But you are doing a huge disservice to yourself with this thread. To the extent you really do want peckerpass to be successful, you are doing major damage, telling other porn sellers they should install adblockers that would block out their marketing efforts.

go visit your friends across the street, ask them how tube sites are effecting their business. Seriously dude. people are making a killing with tubes pushing their content. Every major program here has presence on tubes now. The biggest company of all pioneered the tube model. You really are don quixote blowing at the windmills.

ultimately i believe your hatred of tubes derives from your failures to market your network of women blowing up baloons & brushing their teeth. Its much easier to blame those evil tubes then to look in the mirror to find your problems.

Good luck with your business ventures. :)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

you search for tranny porn and get 500,000 blogs of randomly created bullshit. and some adblocker is what destroyed this industry lol. 90% of the population is getting off on thumbnails and 30 second preview videos, many of which are laced with viruses. but you gotta feel bad for those poor ad based webmasters

Changed my mind. No dog in this fight.

adblockers have been around for a long time, nothing will change

problem is that it used to be 1-2% of elite users using them, now some studies show more than 10% of internet users have ad blockers installed... and that number keeps growing every month...

Here's a way to kill tube sites:

Partner with the American Family Association and other Christian/religious organizations.

Spread the meme that hardcore pornography is too easily accessible to children.

Get these groups to start writing to politicians and the media to complain about the unrestricted access to hardcore porn, S&M etc. using tube sites as an example ("my little johnny stumbled upon a disgusting site called pornhub.com, I was shocked").

Release statements as an industry condemning tube sites taking a stance that the adult industry is responsible and does not want pornography to be accessed so easily by children. Point out that many tube sites are infringing copyrights.

Put pressure on the DOJ to go after their domain names under Operation In Our Sites.

Sit back and watch them all lose their .com's and the religious groups can celebrate because they have a victory over porn.

Exactly, nothing dumber than a webmaster or online marketeer using an ad blocker.

Most of the knowledge you can get in this business is by surfing around your competitors or other sites in different verticals (mainstream etc) to see what and how others are selling so you can apply your own ideas to improve that.

And I agree that ad blockers are a problem not only for the adult industry but for the online business in general. Imagine if there was a way to skip commercials in TV, the whole business would die, in fact it has a been a problem with TIVO already, as you can record TV shows and skip commercials, but at least you need to pay monthly amount to do that.

Ads in general are our marketing tools, not only the tools that tube owners use, i don't know of any legit site, blog, tgp, whatever not using some kind of ads. How else are you going to sell something in your site? even if it's your own promos, you need to show some kind of banners.

Of course a chain of 3 pops is very annoying, but things are not white or black, there must be grey for us to make money.

Through people joining the sponsor sites your pushing?

lets block all ads and marketing completely! Then we can all be rich!

some ideas for getting surfers to our sites with our marketing 2.0 strategy:

-well written letters
-planes towing banners
-messenger pigeon
-climbing on top of a building and dumping flyers to the streets below
-singing telegrams
-fortune cookies
-resurrecting town cryers!

Gonna see if I can sponsor my nephew's soccer team. Lezinterracial.com on the backs of uniforms.

Pass cards with my gay site (interracialbisex.com) on it at the local park where homosexuals meet. Write it above the holes in walls where there are glory holes.

Free bookmarks left at the local library. Free Bookmark, courtesy of skullfucktube.com.

This :thumbsup

Just..fuckin...wow...


I read this whole thread, then I remembered why I only come here to vent shit, for the most part. Save the poor surfers from splogs, spam, invasive ads, and popunders! Give them everything for free, with a text link somewhere unobtrusive on the page! Holy fuckin shit.

damn straight. better up your game because thats whats happening. clearly. hence thread. youre being left in the dust as we speak

And how are you going to push sponsors without ads?

The amount of daily FF AbBlock Plus users seems fairly stable over the last year (~15 mil). There is some growth, but not it's not explosive, far from it:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...tics/?last=365

surfers dont want popups. or links that lead them to unexpected places. give them something legit, and then offer them something legit. it works it really does. its not the end of the porn industry

Cry me a river :pimp

Exactly!

Adblock does not affect 95% of the traditional ways to push sponsors - FHGs, TGP/MGP galleries, review sites etc. Even at tubes in most of the cases it doesn't affect links back to paysites (if they provide such links) - it mainly affects ads from major networks, which seems to be what Adblock is mostly about, blocking major networks that are used to sniff on surfers' surfing habits and to bombard them with the gazillion of mostly irrelevant ads.

If you're using custom ads to push sponsors, serve them from your own server, do not call them "ads" or "banners" and use custom banner sizes (all of that is fairly easy), Adblock is not going to cause you any trouble. In theory you can still be added to some filtering list with your custom ads manually, but that is highly unlikely - those people who maintain such lists are very busy and overworked, they're not going to bother unless you're very popular and your ads are obscenely intrusive.

In yet more theory, people can use Element Hider Helper addon to hide your custom ads manually, but only a small fraction of Adblock users are using EHH, and even they are not going to bother if your ads are reasonable and non-intrusive. Why would people spend their time hiding ads that are static, non-intrusive, and on top of it are actually a relevant advertising? It is not typical - although there are some crusaders who go out of their way to hide all ads to the last one, statistically their impact on revenues is negligible.