Top Causes Of Non-Natural Death In The USA

[AdultPornMasta]

I think nothing more needs to be said.

[AllAboutCams]

What about natural causes

[Penny24Seven]

They turn it around by saying what is the one thing that is not at accident on that list or they did not mean to die that way? It would be death by firearms lol. All the rest are opps I didn't mean that

[TheSquealer]

Smoking is a choice an individual makes for himself.
Getting shot while in school is a choice an individual makes for others.

Big difference.

[Theo]

Jeez, medical errors is huge

[Si]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Smoking is a choice an individual makes for himself.
Getting shot while in school is a choice an individual makes for others.

Big difference.

This.

Most of the big ones there are personal choices, or required personally or socially.

Getting killed by someone is not usually a personal choice.

Things are always being done to make most of them safer aswell, except guns obviously.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Smoking is a choice an individual makes for himself.
Getting shot while in school is a choice an individual makes for others.

Big difference.

Personal choice? So the Tax Payers should not have to cover medical from this right???

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta

I think nothing more needs to be said.

What year is this from????

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

What year is this from????

2010 but as with all charts, there are some problems with this one as well. The point is that there are very,very serious causes of premature death that we ignore perhaps because those causes to not emotionally excite as much.



Homicide trends in the USA:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/hom...weaponstab.cfm

[L-Pink]

Since there is already a category for drug abuse are we to assume 31,000 people died from "unintentional poisoning" eating the wrong thing?


edit; I must be fucked up, look at that sentence composition.
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[Rochard]

So firearms is the second largest intentional killer? Imagine if we removed firearms out of the hands of criminals and crazy people....

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Smoking is a choice an individual makes for himself.
Getting shot while in school is a choice an individual makes for others.

Big difference.

Oh and cancer from second hand smoke of those who have never smoked in their lives is a choice though?

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So firearms is the second largest intentional killer? Imagine if we removed firearms out of the hands of criminals and crazy people....

I dont live in imaginary land.

[PornoMonster]

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/hom...weaponstab.cfm

so in 2005 we are back to 1976 levels and less.
I think this is great considering the population from 76 to 05 and amount of weapons manufactured during those years.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Oh and cancer from second hand smoke of those who have never smoked in their lives is a choice though?

exactly or all the other people in the vehicle accidents. IE killed by drunk drivers, speeders, and so on.

Or fuck ups by doctors.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Personal choice? So the Tax Payers should not have to cover medical from this right???

The topic is deaths due to these things, not your personal sense of fairness.

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The topic is deaths due to these things, not your personal sense of fairness.

You are casting pearls before swine trying to reason with irrational people but thanks for the effort!

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The topic is deaths due to these things, not your personal sense of fairness.

RIGHT,
So why did you say anything about it is a CHOICE??

It is a Choice to kill yourself, but that is illegal! HA

But then again I guess the people who died from second hand smoke or a drunk driver paid their Fair Share!

[Webmaster Advertising]

We need to ban doctors, that will cut that medical error number down drastically.

We also need to arm more patients so they have a chance to defend themselves.

[Ad-Min]

Originally Posted by AVN Theo

Jeez, medical errors is huge

scary,isn´t it?

[Validus]

Medical Errors... ban doctors!?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Smoking is a choice an individual makes for himself.
Getting shot while in school is a choice an individual makes for others.

Big difference.

Medicinal errors resulting in death come from a choice that a doctor (an individual) makes for others. It was not a choice made with malice, but it was a choice.

Stats and political agendas aside, the reason for a death is not relevant after the fact. Dead is dead.

[Scott McD]

To ne honest I don't care how many graphs and charts I see with whatever stats and results. Nobody will ever convince me that guns for every living asshole is a good thing...

[bronco67]

This is what happens when an immovable force meets a keyboard.

[DWB]

A personal note about handgun murders...

My young cousin was killed by a handgun several years ago. During a heated argument his best friend unloaded an entire clip into him. I was a pallbearer at his closed casket funeral. The inanimate object that killed him was of no concern to anyone in the family or any of his friends. No one cried about gun control or stats about gun violence. It wasn't even brought up once. He was dead, it was not relevant.

Day dreaming about firearm bans and a perfect world where criminals and crazy people (our in our case his best friend) don't have access to firearms is exactly that, a dream. We live in reality, guns exist, they are not going anywhere anytime soon and people are going to die because of them and because of many other reasons not associated with firearms, as that graph points out. People die. And when they do, what killed them doesn't really mean a whole lot. You may think it does, but it doesn't. You may be concerned with who killed them and want justice to be served, but once it is that too loses importance. I suppose if justice is never served it could always be a thorn but our family didn't have to deal with that so I wouldn't know for sure.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by DWB

A personal note about handgun murders...

My young cousin was killed by a handgun several years ago. During a heated argument his best friend unloaded an entire clip into him. I was a pallbearer at his closed casket funeral. The inanimate object that killed him was of no concern to anyone in the family or any of his friends. No one cried about gun control or stats about gun violence. It wasn't even brought up once. He was dead, it was not relevant.

Day dreaming about firearm bans and a perfect world where criminals and crazy people (our in our case his best friend) don't have access to firearms is exactly that, a dream. We live in reality, guns exist, they are not going anywhere anytime soon and people are going to die because of them and because of many other reasons not associated with firearms, as that graph points out. People die. And when they do, what killed them doesn't really mean a whole lot. You may think it does, but it doesn't. You may be concerned with who killed them and want justice to be served, but once it is that too loses importance. I suppose if justice is never served it could always be a thorn but our family didn't have to deal with that so I wouldn't know for sure.

its not about justice. its about preventing other people from having to go through the same thing. its pretty short sighted if all you care about are the people directly around you.

[John-ACWM]

I find the medical errors damn tragic.

[MrMaxwell]

Bullshit. The number one cause is dating italian women. Hands fucking down.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its not about justice. its about preventing other people from having to go through the same thing. its pretty short sighted if all you care about are the people directly around you.

How many family members have you personally buried who have been murdered by a firearm?

Not a single person in his 500+ person funeral was concerned with gun control laws. I guess we are all short sided.

Keep dreaming your dream of a gun free America. Except it won't really be gun free, only the good citizens won't have them. The criminals and police will always have them. You can't permit or legislate guns out of the criminal's hands. That is a fact.

[MrMaxwell]

http://nramemberscouncils.com/lifeclock/

[EddyTheDog]

Medical errors is huge - That's insane.

Over 11k gun deaths is shocking as well.

The idea that 11K is OK because its less than another figure seems strange to me.

What sort of person thinks 11K needless deaths is OK?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The idea that 11K is OK because its less than another figure seems strange to me.

What sort of person thinks 11K needless deaths is OK?

Keep in mind that a LOT of those gun deaths are criminals killing other criminals.

Look at Chicago...gang members slaughtering gang members. That's been going on since the 1920's there.

Gangs in some cities kill each other every day in fights over "territory". (which is all due in some part to the govt.'s prohibition on drugs).
And the innocent people that they kill? They won't be any more "safer" if guns were made illegal.

Gangs don't really give a damn about laws.

I think our society would be well served to go after the CAUSE of people wanting to shoot other people in the first place.

Drug laws certainly have contributed to a LOT of violence (especially on the border with Mexico). Addressing that (stopping the "war on drugs") would cut gun violence down immediately.

As for what happened to those poor kids in Conn., there is no answer.
The govt and the law cannot protect us from mentally deranged people. That guy would have done what he did no matter what. If not a gun, he would have burnt those kids alive by setting fire to the school, or blew the school up and killed them...or even more horrible: killed them with a knife.

Some people are just born with mental problems. I don't think there is a realistic answer to trying to stop a single crazy individual from doing bad things.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by DWB

How many family members have you personally buried who have been murdered by a firearm?

Not a single person in his 500+ person funeral was concerned with gun control laws. I guess we are all short sided.

Keep dreaming your dream of a gun free America. Except it won't really be gun free, only the good citizens won't have them. The criminals and police will always have them. You can't permit or legislate guns out of the criminal's hands. That is a fact.

less legal guns = less illegal guns as all illegal guns start out as legal somewhere in the chain. regardless, i am not just talking about firearms but all deaths. if no one was ever concerned how a person died, then things like cures for diseases, seatbelts, swimming lessons, etc would all be considered a waste of time.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by DWB

How many family members have you personally buried who have been murdered by a firearm?

Not a single person in his 500+ person funeral was concerned with gun control laws. I guess we are all short sided.

Keep dreaming your dream of a gun free America. Except it won't really be gun free, only the good citizens won't have them. The criminals and police will always have them. You can't permit or legislate guns out of the criminal's hands. That is a fact.

but you can make it extremely hard for insane people to get can't you?


Oh the op's argument is a complete red herring. You may as well start talking about the weather, congratulations, you argue like a 12 year old.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta

I think nothing more needs to be said.

Promise?

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Si

This.

Most of the big ones there are personal choices, or required personally or socially.

Getting killed by someone is not usually a personal choice.

Things are always being done to make most of them safer aswell, except guns obviously.

True and those personal choices cost the tax payers of the country far more than the others. If they were not paying out all that money for those " Personal Choices " maybe there would be better mental health in the US and there for, less fire arms related deaths.

[bronco67]

How do you compare car ownership with gun ownership? You can't transport 5 people down the highway in an AR15.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Si

This.

Most of the big ones there are personal choices, or required personally or socially.

Getting killed by someone is not usually a personal choice.

Things are always being done to make most of them safer aswell, except guns obviously.

3 of the top 5 are unintentional.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

less legal guns = less illegal guns as all illegal guns start out as legal somewhere in the chain.

In theory you are correct. However, in reality it doesn't work that way. I live in a country where it is next to impossible to legally obtain a firearm and it's incredibly expensive to buy them. So what do the locals do if they can't afford one or can't find one to steal? They make their own one shot pistols.

Point is, Pandora's box is open. People are going to find a way to get guns if they want them. And if they can't get them, they will make their own. It happens all over the world.

So long as guns exist on the planet, people will buy, sell, trade, and steal them. So long as there are bullets on the planet, people will use one of those guns or make their own to fire them. Even though I come from a family who approves of guns, I would be happy to see all of them gone. But you would have to take them from EVERYONE including the police and military, otherwise it wouldn't work.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if no one was ever concerned how a person died, then things like cures for diseases, seatbelts, swimming lessons, etc would all be considered a waste of time.

Sure, you can take swimming lessons, driving lessons, wear a safety belt, take medicine, take shooting lessons, and anything else you can try to do to stay alive, but once you're dead you're dead. Then it doesn't matter. The problem with guns is that it is impossible to get them out of the hands of criminals. This fact holds true the world over. And you can't have a society where only the criminals have them. Gun control comes down to everyone is armed or no one is armed. I'll support either one, but if no one is armed, the criminals will still find a way to get them or make them.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

but you can make it extremely hard for insane people to get can't you?

That's just it, you can't. If they could, I'm all for it.

Please tell everyone how to do it. Explain to me (like I'm a 12 year old) how you are going to stop the buying, trading, stealing of firearms in a country that has over 200 million of them already in existence. How do you stop a "crazy" from acquiring a firearm without locking them all away or keeping them chained to the wall?

How do you stop a criminal from getting them?

They government can pass all the laws they want, it's a waste of time and paper. Trying to stop private gun sales (legal or illegal) is like trying to stop the sale of pussy. Never, ever gonna happen. There will always be someone willing to sell one to another person and there are always people who will steal them, even if they have to steal it from a family member.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

You may as well start talking about the weather, congratulations, you argue like a 12 year old.

There is no argument. What you have are people living la-la land dreaming of a gun free utopia, and reality. That's it. Where you choose to live is your decision, but I'm going to stay in reality where there are over 200 million personal firearms in the USA alone and nothing is going to stop someone for acquiring one of they want one.

Unless you find a way to not only find and destroy all 200+ million of them (and every bullet), but also completely ensure that no firearms will ever be imported from Mexico or another countries, legally or illegally, then there is no debate or argument to be had. And that doesn't even get into the problem of the authorities being the only people legally armed and criminals making their own.

Perhaps I argue like a 12 year old so that it is easily understood and digested by most of the posters on GFY, but at least I don't believe in fairy-tales like most of the kids around here.

Now if you all gather 'round, I'll tell you a bed time story. Once upon a time...

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by DWB

In theory you are correct. However, in reality it doesn't work that way. I live in a country where it is next to impossible to legally obtain a firearm and it's incredibly expensive to buy them. So what do the locals do if they can't afford one or can't find one to steal? They make their own one shot pistols.

Point is, Pandora's box is open. People are going to find a way to get guns if they want them. And if they can't get them, they will make their own. It happens all over the world.

So long as guns exist on the planet, people will buy, sell, trade, and steal them. So long as there are bullets on the planet, people will use one of those guns or make their own to fire them. Even though I come from a family who approves of guns, I would be happy to see all of them gone. But you would have to take them from EVERYONE including the police and military, otherwise it wouldn't work.



Sure, you can take swimming lessons, driving lessons, wear a safety belt, take medicine, take shooting lessons, and anything else you can try to do to stay alive, but once you're dead you're dead. Then it doesn't matter. The problem with guns is that it is impossible to get them out of the hands of criminals. This fact holds true the world over. And you can't have a society where only the criminals have them. Gun control comes down to everyone is armed or no one is armed. I'll support either one, but if no one is armed, the criminals will still find a way to get them or make them.





That's just it, you can't. If they could, I'm all for it.

Please tell everyone how to do it. Explain to me (like I'm a 12 year old) how you are going to stop the buying, trading, stealing of firearms in a country that has over 200 million of them already in existence. How do you stop a "crazy" from acquiring a firearm without locking them all away or keeping them chained to the wall?

How do you stop a criminal from getting them?

They government can pass all the laws they want, it's a waste of time and paper. Trying to stop private gun sales (legal or illegal) is like trying to stop the sale of pussy. Never, ever gonna happen. There will always be someone willing to sell one to another person and there are always people who will steal them, even if they have to steal it from a family member.



There is no argument. What you have are people living la-la land dreaming of a gun free utopia, and reality. That's it. Where you choose to live is your decision, but I'm going to stay in reality where there are over 200 million personal firearms in the USA alone and nothing is going to stop someone for acquiring one of they want one.

Unless you find a way to not only find and destroy all 200+ million of them (and every bullet), but also completely ensure that no firearms will ever be imported from Mexico or another countries, legally or illegally, then there is no debate or argument to be had. And that doesn't even get into the problem of the authorities being the only people legally armed and criminals making their own.

Perhaps I argue like a 12 year old so that it is easily understood and digested by most of the posters on GFY, but at least I don't believe in fairy-tales like most of the kids around here.

Now if you all gather 'round, I'll tell you a bed time story. Once upon a time...

[MarkDeus]

I am outraged. We should ban falling from now on.

[PornoMonster]

I wonder if the gun deaths also include suicide?

Anyway here is a good use of a gun.
http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/...4pfHKFBGQ.cspx

[Elli]

Suicide consistently ranks in the top ten causes, but is never discussed to discourage thoughts about it. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
2009 stats for the US:
Firearm suicides
Number of deaths: 18,735

[pimpmaster9000]

30.000 per year from unintentional poisoning?!?! how does that happen? I must say I have never even heard of somebody unintentionally poisoned??

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

30.000 per year from unintentional poisoning?!?! how does that happen? I must say I have never even heard of somebody unintentionally poisoned??

http://www.cdc.gov/features/poisonprevention/

[Antonio]

Ban doctors, nurses, and hospitals NOW!!!