Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19403541)

Smoking is a choice an individual makes for himself.
Getting shot while in school is a choice an individual makes for others.

Big difference.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19403541)

Smoking is a choice an individual makes for himself.
Getting shot while in school is a choice an individual makes for others.

Big difference.

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19403531)

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I think nothing more needs to be said.

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19403575)

What year is this from????

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19403541)

Smoking is a choice an individual makes for himself.
Getting shot while in school is a choice an individual makes for others.

Big difference.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19403587)

So firearms is the second largest intentional killer? Imagine if we removed firearms out of the hands of criminals and crazy people....

Originally Posted by Killswitch (Post 19403588)

Oh and cancer from second hand smoke of those who have never smoked in their lives is a choice though? :error

Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19403572)

Personal choice? So the Tax Payers should not have to cover medical from this right???

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19403648)

The topic is deaths due to these things, not your personal sense of fairness.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19403648)

The topic is deaths due to these things, not your personal sense of fairness.

Originally Posted by AVN Theo (Post 19403543)

Jeez, medical errors is huge

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19403541)

Smoking is a choice an individual makes for himself.
Getting shot while in school is a choice an individual makes for others.

Big difference.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19403956)

A personal note about handgun murders...

My young cousin was killed by a handgun several years ago. During a heated argument his best friend unloaded an entire clip into him. I was a pallbearer at his closed casket funeral. The inanimate object that killed him was of no concern to anyone in the family or any of his friends. No one cried about gun control or stats about gun violence. It wasn't even brought up once. He was dead, it was not relevant.

Day dreaming about firearm bans and a perfect world where criminals and crazy people (our in our case his best friend) don't have access to firearms is exactly that, a dream. We live in reality, guns exist, they are not going anywhere anytime soon and people are going to die because of them and because of many other reasons not associated with firearms, as that graph points out. People die. And when they do, what killed them doesn't really mean a whole lot. You may think it does, but it doesn't. You may be concerned with who killed them and want justice to be served, but once it is that too loses importance. I suppose if justice is never served it could always be a thorn but our family didn't have to deal with that so I wouldn't know for sure.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19403964)

its not about justice. its about preventing other people from having to go through the same thing. its pretty short sighted if all you care about are the people directly around you.

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 19404029)

The idea that 11K is OK because its less than another figure seems strange to me.

What sort of person thinks 11K needless deaths is OK?

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19403987)

How many family members have you personally buried who have been murdered by a firearm?

Not a single person in his 500+ person funeral was concerned with gun control laws. I guess we are all short sided.

Keep dreaming your dream of a gun free America. Except it won't really be gun free, only the good citizens won't have them. The criminals and police will always have them. You can't permit or legislate guns out of the criminal's hands. That is a fact.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19403987)

How many family members have you personally buried who have been murdered by a firearm?

Not a single person in his 500+ person funeral was concerned with gun control laws. I guess we are all short sided.

Keep dreaming your dream of a gun free America. Except it won't really be gun free, only the good citizens won't have them. The criminals and police will always have them. You can't permit or legislate guns out of the criminal's hands. That is a fact.

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19403531)

I think nothing more needs to be said.

Originally Posted by Si (Post 19403551)

This.

Most of the big ones there are personal choices, or required personally or socially.

Getting killed by someone is not usually a personal choice.

Things are always being done to make most of them safer aswell, except guns obviously.

Originally Posted by Si (Post 19403551)

This.

Most of the big ones there are personal choices, or required personally or socially.

Getting killed by someone is not usually a personal choice.

Things are always being done to make most of them safer aswell, except guns obviously.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19404050)

less legal guns = less illegal guns as all illegal guns start out as legal somewhere in the chain.

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19404050)

if no one was ever concerned how a person died, then things like cures for diseases, seatbelts, swimming lessons, etc would all be considered a waste of time.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19404073)

but you can make it extremely hard for insane people to get can't you?

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19404073)

You may as well start talking about the weather, congratulations, you argue like a 12 year old.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19404482)

In theory you are correct. However, in reality it doesn't work that way. I live in a country where it is next to impossible to legally obtain a firearm and it's incredibly expensive to buy them. So what do the locals do if they can't afford one or can't find one to steal? They make their own one shot pistols.

Point is, Pandora's box is open. People are going to find a way to get guns if they want them. And if they can't get them, they will make their own. It happens all over the world.

So long as guns exist on the planet, people will buy, sell, trade, and steal them. So long as there are bullets on the planet, people will use one of those guns or make their own to fire them. Even though I come from a family who approves of guns, I would be happy to see all of them gone. But you would have to take them from EVERYONE including the police and military, otherwise it wouldn't work.



Sure, you can take swimming lessons, driving lessons, wear a safety belt, take medicine, take shooting lessons, and anything else you can try to do to stay alive, but once you're dead you're dead. Then it doesn't matter. The problem with guns is that it is impossible to get them out of the hands of criminals. This fact holds true the world over. And you can't have a society where only the criminals have them. Gun control comes down to everyone is armed or no one is armed. I'll support either one, but if no one is armed, the criminals will still find a way to get them or make them.





That's just it, you can't. If they could, I'm all for it.

Please tell everyone how to do it. Explain to me (like I'm a 12 year old) how you are going to stop the buying, trading, stealing of firearms in a country that has over 200 million of them already in existence. How do you stop a "crazy" from acquiring a firearm without locking them all away or keeping them chained to the wall?

How do you stop a criminal from getting them?

They government can pass all the laws they want, it's a waste of time and paper. Trying to stop private gun sales (legal or illegal) is like trying to stop the sale of pussy. Never, ever gonna happen. There will always be someone willing to sell one to another person and there are always people who will steal them, even if they have to steal it from a family member.



There is no argument. What you have are people living la-la land dreaming of a gun free utopia, and reality. That's it. Where you choose to live is your decision, but I'm going to stay in reality where there are over 200 million personal firearms in the USA alone and nothing is going to stop someone for acquiring one of they want one.

Unless you find a way to not only find and destroy all 200+ million of them (and every bullet), but also completely ensure that no firearms will ever be imported from Mexico or another countries, legally or illegally, then there is no debate or argument to be had. And that doesn't even get into the problem of the authorities being the only people legally armed and criminals making their own.

Perhaps I argue like a 12 year old so that it is easily understood and digested by most of the posters on GFY, but at least I don't believe in fairy-tales like most of the kids around here.

Now if you all gather 'round, I'll tell you a bed time story. Once upon a time...

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 19404972)

30.000 per year from unintentional poisoning?!?! how does that happen? I must say I have never even heard of somebody unintentionally poisoned??