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Obama got endorsements from both Gov. Bloomberg and The Economist yesterday.

Hell even Gov. Christie is raving about him.

Robbie

Whew! Thank goodness the mayor of New York finally endorsed Obama (even though he said he's been a big disappointment at the same time lol)

It was touch and go there for a minute...but now Obama has a chance to maybe win New York in the election. lol

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Everybody isn't willing to throw away their vote like you did Robbie. Some of us are steeped in reality (sobriety is a bitch) and need to choose between two candidates.

It's interesting that the leading economic magazine and a billionaire has decided that Obama would be the lesser of two evils. Especially since the only thing Romney has to run on (for those of us who aren't right wing extremists) is... the economy.

Robbie

I don't feel I "threw away" my vote at all. I voted for the person I feel best reflects my views.

Gary Johnson is 100% for gay marriage by the way (something that you said was important for you with Obama)...and would take steps to make it happen. Unlike Obama and his "evolving"...which he still didn't actually DO anything (like always)

Here is the guy I "threw away" my vote stand on gay marriage.
I can't believe that you are voting for a guy who won't take a strong stand on the issue. So when you "win" the election...I hope Obama finally grows a spine. Otherwise you "threw away" your vote when you could have voted for someone who actually agrees with you:
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Pro.../Gay_Marriage/

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Firstly, I apologize for the sobriety is a bitch comment. It was a useless personal jab that added nothing... and as someone who used to do a lot of drugs, I felt the same about things then as I do now. So apologies.

Secondly, Obama threw gay marriage under the bus by saying it's a state issue. It's politics. BUT he has done A LOT of good for gay people.

Gary Johnson would probably make a perfectly fine President. Fuck, I really wanted Roseanne Barr to win. I want someone psycho in there just to see what happens. When the system doesn't work REALLY shake it up. I'd love to turn into C-SPAN and see her yelling "shut the fuck up and listen."

In 2012 Gary Johnson, Roseanne Barr and anyone else is irrelevant. I've posted previously that I wonder if the polls are orchestrated so that things appear neck and neck and people won't vote third party. It makes perfect sense but it'd be hard to get buy-in. Well, not from most pollsters as the parties pay their salaries, but the media polls reflect the same (not ready to call that a conspiracy yet).

Anyway, realistically, I have two choices. Obama, who has done a lot more for me as a citizen as well as those I associate with, or Romney, who as a politician hates everything about me as well as what puts food on my table. If he had to prioritize who needs to be executed I'd be one of the first to get a bullet through their head. Most of us posting here would be.

Obama is far far far from perfect, but compared to Romney in my opinion he looks like a saint.

(I was going to say that I'm sure Romney is a great guy despite his politics but then I remembered the gay bullying stories that came out about him...)

Robbie

I voted for Johnson because he reflects the way I think...

BUT, I also voted for him because IF he can get 5% of the vote then the Libertarian Party gets equal ballot access and federal funding in the next presidential election.

I felt that was two good reasons to vote for him.

I just don't think that Obama has done a good job. And Romney is going to cater to religious right b.s.
Neither of them is able or willing to actually do anything in a big way.

Anyway, that's why I feel my vote counted. The two-party system is the disease that has gotten us so screwed in my opinion.

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BTW, I originally wanted Hillary as President. I just don't see evidence of or believe that Obama is doing any worse of a job than if someone else had won in '08. Shit was really fucked up and a lot of guessing has had to happen... and would have regardless of party or candidate.

Robbie

Also on your "sobriety" comment...I accept your apology.

And I WISH that I was partying all the time. lol

I don't think I've been properly fucked up in at least 3 years. A few drinks on a Friday night and usually back home early.

Honestly..I think I need an all-nighter. But when you're middle-aged and married with responsibilities and a business to run, it just doesn't happen.

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Robbie

I would have voted for Hillary too. (I did vote for Obama and was pretty excited about that)

Looking back in retrospect, I think I was more excited because he was the first black president and I felt it was about damn time.

I was feeling the same about Hillary because she would have been the first woman president.

Difference between the two is that Hillary has Bill. And together they are a damn good team.
I think Hillary would have done a much better job that Obama has.

But hindsight is 20/20

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mce

Gary Johnson is sounding real good right now. I have to read more reason.com first though. Love that libertarian site.

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Robbie

What I liked was when he said: "I'm Pro-Choice about EVERYTHING"

Freedom baby!

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mynameisjim

The two party system actually works fine.

It's the fact that politics has been turned into a multi-billion dollar spectator sport, filled with entertainers that stoke hate and partisanship to increase ratings, blog page views, and book sales. The Republicans started this, but now the Democrats are doing it as well.

When everyone sees the world in binary terms, my team versus your team, the politicians pander to that. Politicians pander to whatever the people want. In this case it's never giving in to the other side.

The politicians are not to blame, it's the people. If everyone stopped with this home team mentality regarding politics, all this gridlock would stop.

Everything wrong with government right now is because people let themselves get sucked into this partisanship money making machine. The money in politics isn't the problem, it's the money in Fox News, The Drudge Report, Ann Coulter's books, etc.

Like I said, the Democrats are doing it too, but the Republicans started it by exploiting a lot of new political observers who are not savvy enough to realize the big picture.

Haven't you noticed now that every wack-job is a political expert who is totally immersed in political media? Don't you think it's weird that your drunk neighbor now suddenly knows all the right wing talking points within hours?

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Robbie

I guess you're voting Obama?
Your post is indicative of everything you are saying is wrong...except from the LEFT. You are guilty of the same "my team" mentality as you are criticizing (at least from reading your post)

The two party system is EVERYTHING wrong in my opinion. And I'm not talking about campaigning. I'm talking about governing.

They both answer to the same masters. Both parties have career, lifetime politicians filled in Congress and The Senate and they are ALL crooks.
Even your beloved liberals.

I think that they all need to be voted out. None of them are for freedom. And all of them are for lining their own pockets.

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mynameisjim

Not sure how you saw that? I implicitly stated both sides are doing it. I also implicitly stated that although I feel the Republicans started and perfected it first, the Democrats are doing it now as well. So tell me again how I was being partisan?

If the two party system doesn't work, how did America become the only super power? It seemed to work for several hundred years. But suddenly in the last few years you have determined that it is totally broken and a new system must be invented? Maybe you should stop and think what has changed recently to make you think a system that worked fine in the past is now not working.

Also, do you realize that third party candidates pander as well. They give out vague policies about "freedom" then people like you who are fed up with the system simply project your own thoughts and ideas to fill in the details. Guys like Johnson and Ron Paul pander just like Democrats and Republicans, they just use a slightly more intelligent approach. But it's still just pandering. You may very well be right, but those guys are just pandering to you.

Democrats pander to liberals who think they are smarter than everyone else and think everyone else is an ignorant, hate filled redneck.

The Republicans pander to people who think everyone else is lazy and getting handouts, and they are the only ones who actually work hard.

Third party candidates pander to those who are sick of both parties and just want to scrap the whole system.

Sorry, you are being pandered to.

People have to stop and think. If 300 million Americans are about evenly divided on Democratic and Republican policies, that probably means there are valid points on BOTH SIDES. An intelligent person would realize a combination of both approaches would probably be the best answer.

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Robbie

You then went on to talk about nothing but Republicans. And at the end of your statement you said: "Don't you think it's weird that your drunk neighbor now suddenly knows all the right wing talking points within hours? "

You didn't talk about one of the Democrat pundits. You didn't mention the WORST biased news channel: MSNBC.
And somehow only a "drunk neighbor" knows the "right wing talking points".

I beg to differ. Just look up and down GFY and you see posts with the latest Democrat talking points within minutes of them coming out of MSNBC.

My point about your post is that you too are caught up in the "my team" mentality.
Oh sure..you said the Dems do it too...but only defensively. Poor things.

NO! They are crooks. BOTH Dems and Republicans. They are career, lifetime politicians. And you are playing right into the 2 party system. The Dems and Repubs are holding hands and keeping power between them.

Meanwhile you are on the Democrat "side".

I'm not attacking you. I'm just saying to try and step back from it a minute and ask yourself how you really feel about the ISSUES. And does the Democratic candidates you might vote for reflect how you see things?

If not, maybe you should at least take a look at other parties and what their stand on the issues might be.

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mynameisjim

Robbie, I made the mistake of wading into a political argument on GFY..lol.

But one thing to remember. Living a true democracy means that for about half the time, you are going to disagree with what is going on in the country. All the tough issues will be about split down the middle. But for some reason, people seem to think they should agree with 100% of everything the country is doing, otherwise it's being "destroyed" or the people behind that particular direction are set out to ruin the country.

Expecting to be happy with every single thing the government does means you live in a dictatorship and YOU are the dictator. That's the only way you will be happy 100% of the time.

A democracy means that you are going to get pissed off at about half the shit that goes on. THAT IS TOTALLY NORMAL. It doesn't mean the country is being ruined or the whole system is broken.

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arock10

Agreeing 100% with what you are saying here (does that make me a dictator). Hyper partisanship is destroying the two party system and with all the moderates on both sides getting voted out I'm not really sure how things will work in the future

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wehateporn

The Economist is controlled by Rothschild. Obama is a Rothschild puppet. The difference with Romney is that he's a puppet for US based Billionaires.

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