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Old 10-01-2012, 07:21 PM   #1
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Some Results From Recent Shoots !!!

Well I been shooting some new stuff recently... some playboy nude stuff, some harder solo stuff... Some in the usual apartment... and some in a new apartment we been using...

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And yes her bum is a little big, that's a good thing right ? She has a little LATINO in her... She is quarter Mexican
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:24 PM   #2
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These are straight off the card... so yes a little "RAW" but then that's how we shoot them
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Im wondering how much a girl like that charges, is it a session price or per hour rate ?
And How much are you able to shoot in that time.
Joust curious about the costs there and here.
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FFS show us some videos. Memberships and traffic is all about videos.
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Im wondering how much a girl like that charges, is it a session price or per hour rate ?
And How much are you able to shoot in that time.
Joust curious about the costs there and here.
Ok let me try and answer this one...

We pay the model for a full days work £350-£400 plus travel (so am guessing thats around $600-700) We hire an apartment which sets us back another £120 ($180-200)

We have the model for 8 hours... now depending the level we're shooting, will depend how many scenes you can shoot (each scene being a video and pic set)

This shoot was hard solo, some with toys and some with fingers only. We comfortably shot 8 scenes in that time. I think it's a push to shoot more when you shoot to this level, mainly based on the model and the fact the human body can only take so much lol...
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lighting looks great. what you use to light with and what camera you shoot on
We shoot with a Canon Eos 50D... we use two elincrome 600S lights, mainly bouncing one off the ceiling and another as a head/back light...

I am not massively technical when it comes to lighting, certainly no JEDI !
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FFS show us some videos. Memberships and traffic is all about videos.
Is there some sarcasm in that post, is that part of some ongoing argument... like traffic is golden... ?

Of course we shot matching video, and yes your right it is pretty much all about video, unlike when I first started where I believe pics were equally as prominent, as things have evolved, the surfer demands more... both in the content and the delivery of that content...
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do you have a paysite yet?
For the girl or for us ? We have several, but I thought you knew that ? Confused
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Is there some sarcasm in that post, is that part of some ongoing argument... like traffic is golden... ?

Of course we shot matching video, and yes your right it is pretty much all about video, unlike when I first started where I believe pics were equally as prominent, as things have evolved, the surfer demands more... both in the content and the delivery of that content...
Anyone who can focus a camera should be able to pull a frame or three from a set and post them on GFY and get bro love. I've seen the sets of some of the top shooters, or so called here, and they are just a few good shots. Which is useless to members buying the content.

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No one, but no one can shoot 8 videos and 8 sets in a day to an acceptable level for members. I don't care whet you say, because I have 30 years experience in this.

A girl will never be able to deliver 8 decent scenes in 8 hours. She will get bored, tired, worn out and go on auto pilot. For a shooter it's tough enough. 8 hours of pure work is simply too much for shooter or girl. mainly based on the model and the fact the human body can only take so much lol...

Moving lights, dressing, showering, make up, breaks between sets, etc are going to whittle it down.

Of course you may prove me wrong and I will admit to being wrong, if you can show me the days work. Until then, I have to rely on what I, Eva, Katka and loads of other shooters have been capable of doing.

You have a paysite, give me a pass to it and I will be honest.

It has nothing to do with traffic being golden, it's about what surfers get for their $30.
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I feel like boneprone but I can't resist.... I fucked her ;-)
YES YOU DID !

You are so banned from coming over again... I don't know inpregnating our poor models

And Paul... you have 30 years of shooting member area content... really ? Can you link me to the websites member area you was shooting in 1982 ? You really are old school...

And yes 8 scenes a day... it does get a little "long" by the end... maybe first 4 or 5 are good... last few filler content... quantity over quality... value for money... and all those cliches...
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And Paul... you have 30 years of shooting member area content... really ? Can you link me to the websites member area you was shooting in 1982 ? You really are old school...

And yes 8 scenes a day... it does get a little "long" by the end... maybe first 4 or 5 are good... last few filler content... quantity over quality... value for money... and all those cliches...
We rarely shot anything but quickie videos for sites, we shot for better paying outlets and sold the content to sites as well.

So shooting for sites demands less than shooting for better paying markets, we agree on that.

So no need to show videos, we know why you don't.
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I like her, and like the fact she is 'raw', as you put it, rather than sterile Photoshopped stuff, but your main site URL is (in the gif in your sig) is a 403.
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We rarely shot anything but quickie videos for sites, we shot for better paying outlets and sold the content to sites as well.

So shooting for sites demands less than shooting for better paying markets, we agree on that.

So no need to show videos, we know why you don't.
We know why you dont ? please elaberate ?
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I like her, and like the fact she is 'raw', as you put it, rather than sterile Photoshopped stuff, but your main site URL is (in the gif in your sig) is a 403.
Yeah the site is down for some work... however if anyone needs to get to the working site, you should be able to click my link in my sig...
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for you.

i thought you said to stop promoting them or somthing.

can you say the ones that are ok to promote
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for you.

i thought you said to stop promoting them or somthing.

can you say the ones that are ok to promote
There's a little announcment coming up soon for the paysites... I would personally wait for that
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Anyone who can focus a camera should be able to pull a frame or three from a set and post them on GFY and get bro love. I've seen the sets of some of the top shooters, or so called here, and they are just a few good shots. Which is useless to members buying the content.



No one, but no one can shoot 8 videos and 8 sets in a day to an acceptable level for members. I don't care whet you say, because I have 30 years experience in this.

A girl will never be able to deliver 8 decent scenes in 8 hours. She will get bored, tired, worn out and go on auto pilot. For a shooter it's tough enough. 8 hours of pure work is simply too much for shooter or girl. mainly based on the model and the fact the human body can only take so much lol...

Moving lights, dressing, showering, make up, breaks between sets, etc are going to whittle it down.

Of course you may prove me wrong and I will admit to being wrong, if you can show me the days work. Until then, I have to rely on what I, Eva, Katka and loads of other shooters have been capable of doing.

You have a paysite, give me a pass to it and I will be honest.

It has nothing to do with traffic being golden, it's about what surfers get for their $30.
What makes you think he values your opinion?
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We know why you dont ? please elaberate ?
As you said some are "filler" not sure what you mean by that. I assume you meant not very good.

As I said, give me a login and let me see, I can download them and show them for you. I'm sure by now you'll get tons of bro love votes.

This isn't about you, it's about most content shooters who have to shoot on a tight budget or newbies. It takes time to get to know how to direct models to deliver a good scene, they can't do it if they're rushed. Shooting with HD and wide screen takes great lighting and framing, capturing a girls emotions as she strips and masturbates isn't easy.

Then it takes time, girls can't do this 4/5 times a day. It's just too much for them. Also they can't walk from room to room and do a new scene every time, it often ends up as the same scene in a different room and clothing. That's what you get when you have to get scenes out at £62.50 a piece.

It's not your fault, it's the fault of this industry thinking content is worth that.
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Phew

So relieved to hear it's not my fault... that was a close one !

Paul I really dont want to get into this with you, I am thinking you haven't got your quota of drama this week... or maybe you forgot your meds today...

I dont want you to review our sites thanks... we have had plenty of people do that...

We are happy with the style we shoot... it seems to be popular enough, it pays the bills and a little bit of fun money... so I cant complain...

We dont shoot top end stuff, but then neither do 90% of people out there... and not being funny, but I include you in that 90%...

Maybe J-Rock and Dean Capture could rip my work apart... but sorry Paul I take your comments very lightly... Yes you have 30 years of experience, well done. But our stuff does ok, if it didn't I would of given up a long time ago...

Yes we look to shoot the scenes as competative as we can, that for us is business 1 0 1 ! If someone wants to pay us to shoot higher end stuff then we'd shoot different... in the meantime this works for us...

But as I said, I dont want to get into drama... Thanks for your input... now time for another girl me thinks...
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So relieved to hear it's not my fault... that was a close one !

Paul I really dont want to get into this with you, I am thinking you haven't got your quota of drama this week... or maybe you forgot your meds today...

I dont want you to review our sites thanks... we have had plenty of people do that...

We are happy with the style we shoot... it seems to be popular enough, it pays the bills and a little bit of fun money... so I cant complain...

We dont shoot top end stuff, but then neither do 90% of people out there... and not being funny, but I include you in that 90%...

Maybe J-Rock and Dean Capture could rip my work apart... but sorry Paul I take your comments very lightly... Yes you have 30 years of experience, well done. But our stuff does ok, if it didn't I would of given up a long time ago...

Yes we look to shoot the scenes as competative as we can, that for us is business 1 0 1 ! If someone wants to pay us to shoot higher end stuff then we'd shoot different... in the meantime this works for us...

But as I said, I dont want to get into drama... Thanks for your input... now time for another girl me thinks...
I'm not saying you don't make money. I never said I shot top end stuff, no idea where you got that idea. We shot for magazines first, then put that work on the stores, then sites and we sold to DVD companies. At that we were pretty well on our own during the great years, when most here were stuck with shooting for less money and losing ownership of it.

Great shooters, we're not. sensible enough to go to the best payers? OH yes.

And I gave you a chance to show us more girls.
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I'm not saying you don't make money. I never said I shot top end stuff, no idea where you got that idea. We shot for magazines first, then put that work on the stores, then sites and we sold to DVD companies. At that we were pretty well on our own during the great years, when most here were stuck with shooting for less money and losing ownership of it.

Great shooters, we're not. sensible enough to go to the best payers? OH yes.

And I gave you a chance to show us more girls.
As I said Paul... no Drama either way It's just sometimes I think how you say things that confuses me... I am like is he having a dig lol. Anyways no problem here... and yes thanks for the bump
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Ok let me try and answer this one...

We pay the model for a full days work £350-£400 plus travel (so am guessing thats around $600-700) We hire an apartment which sets us back another £120 ($180-200)

We have the model for 8 hours... now depending the level we're shooting, will depend how many scenes you can shoot (each scene being a video and pic set)

This shoot was hard solo, some with toys and some with fingers only. We comfortably shot 8 scenes in that time. I think it's a push to shoot more when you shoot to this level, mainly based on the model and the fact the human body can only take so much lol...
How many licenses do you sell for it then ?
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How many licenses do you sell for it then ?
Again sorry for the question and thxs for the answers
We usually sell on a semi exclusive basis, this includes keeping one license for our own paysites (yes we run paysites too) Most packages that we sell have between 10 and at the most 20 licenses...

So it's not unlimited sales, like some content which gets sold dirt cheap hundreds or thousands of time...

I have to say when I started we'd always sell a bunch of licenses straight off the bat, but like most things in the industry right now that's not the case...
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Great stuff TrashyContent, I wasn't talking down when I said a "little" photoshop. just giving my opinion.

And to Paul,

If the girl knows what she is doing, yes you can shoot 8 sets in a day. If you have a girl who is a newb... it's going to be very difficult.
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Great stuff TrashyContent, I wasn't talking down when I said a "little" photoshop. just giving my opinion.

And to Paul,

If the girl knows what she is doing, yes you can shoot 8 sets in a day. If you have a girl who is a newb... it's going to be very difficult.
Hey Ed... I didn't take it in a negative way at all
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Great stuff TrashyContent, I wasn't talking down when I said a "little" photoshop. just giving my opinion.

And to Paul,

If the girl knows what she is doing, yes you can shoot 8 sets in a day. If you have a girl who is a newb... it's going to be very difficult.
I know it can be done, it's the level of quality we're talking about.

Did you see the scene I shot for Manwin, not bad for an sick old timer and surfers loved it. Can anyone and the model shoot 8 of those a day? No bloody way.

Did you see the scene I shot of the 2 girls picking up a guy in a car? Can anyone shoot 3 of those a day? Maybe with a huge push, it's tough. 2 is the number that gets it right.

The content being shot for Babes, Orgasm and other sites at that level are not churned out on the cheap.

What do members want when they pay for HD. Large screen crystal clear churned out porn or Large screen crystal clear great porn?

What will 90% of this industry buy or produce?

TC is merely reacting to the demands of his customers throwing 100,000s of surfers at samples to get a few to buy something and how many will they retain?

Can sites afford to step up to the higher level content that some sites have occupied for the last 12 years? No.

Over the last 14 years I have talked to many sponsors and site owners and it nearly always came to the same thing. They simply could not afford to step up to the level others could.

In the mid 2000s many had the chance to step up to a better level. Most chose to throw mare traffic at the same sites.
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I know it can be done, it's the level of quality we're talking about.

Did you see the scene I shot for Manwin, not bad for an sick old timer and surfers loved it. Can anyone and the model shoot 8 of those a day? No bloody way.

Did you see the scene I shot of the 2 girls picking up a guy in a car? Can anyone shoot 3 of those a day? Maybe with a huge push, it's tough. 2 is the number that gets it right.

The content being shot for Babes, Orgasm and other sites at that level are not churned out on the cheap.

What do members want when they pay for HD. Large screen crystal clear churned out porn or Large screen crystal clear great porn?

What will 90% of this industry buy or produce?

TC is merely reacting to the demands of his customers throwing 100,000s of surfers at samples to get a few to buy something and how many will they retain?

Can sites afford to step up to the higher level content that some sites have occupied for the last 12 years? No.

Over the last 14 years I have talked to many sponsors and site owners and it nearly always came to the same thing. They simply could not afford to step up to the level others could.

In the mid 2000s many had the chance to step up to a better level. Most chose to throw mare traffic at the same sites.
So Paul you think the average surfer wants some kind of hollywood production styled porn ? Well sorry I dont agree... I know X-Art (or what ever it's called) is all the rage right now, do I watch it myself when I am horny and am surfing for porn, sometimes yes... but more often than not that's based on the girl... 9 times out of 10 I watch something much rawer...

I find a more amateur shot video more appealing to be frank... I want to jerk off and spunk ! Too much information maybe ? I dont want too much of a story line, I aint analying the lighting, compusure, framing of the video... I want the girl to look hot, and moan enough in the 2 or 3 minutes it takes me to cum ! Job done...

Some people over analyse porn, when it comes to shooting it... most people are only interested in speeding through the video to achieve their goal... climax !

You are right when I shoot content (and I have spoke to other shooters who also regually shoot 8-10 scenes) I know the girl (with one or two exceptions) will struggle towards the end... so as I said in a earlier statement, some of the content towards the end is more filler content, doesn't make it crap however...

If someone paid me $3000 to shoot a hard solo scene trust me it would be mind blowing lol... what's the link to the scene you shot for manwin ? Would love to give you a critique from the prospective of a young up and coming pornographer
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So Paul you think the average surfer wants some kind of hollywood production styled porn ? Well sorry I dont agree... I know X-Art (or what ever it's called) is all the rage right now, do I watch it myself when I am horny and am surfing for porn, sometimes yes... but more often than not that's based on the girl... 9 times out of 10 I watch something much rawer...

I find a more amateur shot video more appealing to be frank... I want to jerk off and spunk ! Too much information maybe ? I dont want too much of a story line, I aint analying the lighting, compusure, framing of the video... I want the girl to look hot, and moan enough in the 2 or 3 minutes it takes me to cum ! Job done...

Some people over analyse porn, when it comes to shooting it... most people are only interested in speeding through the video to achieve their goal... climax !

You are right when I shoot content (and I have spoke to other shooters who also regually shoot 8-10 scenes) I know the girl (with one or two exceptions) will struggle towards the end... so as I said in a earlier statement, some of the content towards the end is more filler content, doesn't make it crap however...

If someone paid me $3000 to shoot a hard solo scene trust me it would be mind blowing lol... what's the link to the scene you shot for manwin ? Would love to give you a critique from the prospective of a young up and coming pornographer
NO and I never said he did.

Amateur can be quality porn, in fact any niche or style can be quality porn AND.

Hollywood production styled porn

Can be crap.

Go and work out the rest for yourself.
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