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  • mryellow
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    • May 2001
    • 934

    #1

    Proposed Atom Publishing Format for Sponsors and Tube sites

    http://docs.google.com/View?docID=dh...vision=_latest

    Open for suggestions and comments.

    Will be releasing a tube script using this format at some stage, while I'm
    setting gunz up with this feed format next week. Would be good if more
    sponsors and tube-script creators could get onboard using a structured
    format like this instead of the current CSV style files where each sponsor has
    to create a feed for each tube script.

    Please give this a bump, or if someone thinks it's important enough give it a
    sticky if possible.

    -Ben
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  • mryellow
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    • May 2001
    • 934

    #2
    http://www.cockcruisers.com/atom/packs/index.xml?w=123

    Example feed.... in testing, model images, thumbnail/movie relationship + a
    few tweeks needed on it yet.

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    • BareBacked
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      • Feb 2007
      • 3685

      #3
      That is an aweome idea. I would like to get involved with this. Will your system work with nats programs?
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      • mryellow
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        • May 2001
        • 934

        #4
        Whatever format a sponsor has the data in a generator can be written to
        create the feed. Not sure what information NATs stores in it's database. For
        gunz we have custom database which has all the promo packs information
        and any IDs it needs to integrate with CMS/Billing/Shopping Carts.

        Depends on the sponsor, but we all have MPEGs, FLVs floating around, not all
        of us have a database of those assets but most could make one where
        needbe. The step needed by sponsors to properly feed the tube market is to
        collect together data on all their movie assets, this format then would
        provide a standardised way for pushing that content/information out to
        affiliates and their websites.

        -Ben
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        • mryellow
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          • May 2001
          • 934

          #5
          Any takers?

          Would be great to have a few sponsors pushing out this type of feed, Atom
          is the only choice for multiple links in a standardised syndication format. The
          thing this doc suggests is that we all use link attributes in the same way to
          denote which links are which.

          I'm approaching some of the tube site scripts, their integration of syndicated
          feeds will allow for sponsors to push content and update remote sites with
          the latest content as it becomes available. Other then that I'll release a
          robust tube script for free to encorage the adoption by sponsors further if
          needbe.

          -Ben
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          • mryellow
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            • May 2001
            • 934

            #6
            It will need a way of differentiating 2257 URL, will add that now.

            -Ben
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            • mryellow
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              • May 2001
              • 934

              #7
              Added logo and watermark URL.

              -Ben
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              • mryellow
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                • May 2001
                • 934

                #8
                Added category etc.

                Also halfway through a PHPmotion mod that imports the feed and hotlinks the
                videos instead of converting them. Once that's done I'll look into doing a
                WordPress one.

                -Ben
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                • mryellow
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                  • May 2001
                  • 934

                  #9
                  No bites?

                  With the free scripts and a standardised feed format there is traffic out there
                  for sponsors, now is the time to get onboard, while the spec is still malleable.

                  Get in touch.

                  -Ben
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                  • Paper_Amar
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                    • Jun 2007
                    • 2607

                    #10
                    please contact me at 447542128 tomorrow.. would like to talk to you about this more.
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                    • MediaGuy
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                      • Sep 2004
                      • 5500

                      #11
                      it sounds good - but can it work on a CCBill affiliate URL?

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                      • mryellow
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                        • May 2001
                        • 934

                        #12
                        As far as affiliate URLs, that's up to the sponsors feed generator to include.

                        http://www.cockcruisers.com/atom/pac...?w=123&p=2&c=3

                        Here WebmasterID 123, Program 2, Campaign 3

                        The feed generator then includes this info in links where needbe. If sponsor
                        has a database of all their promo content then this is quite fast. However if
                        the feed generation is processor intensive it can always be PHP cached daily
                        with the querystring as the CacheID.

                        -Ben
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                        • mryellow
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                          • May 2001
                          • 934

                          #13
                          http://www.gaymeat.com/

                          This is an idea of what is possible. Have a lil more work to do bringing the
                          importer up to the most recent spec additions, once that's done however it
                          would take an affiliate an hour or 2 to have a site up like this featuring
                          sponsor content. (I'll release code to import feeds into phpmotion on google
                          code shortly, then it's onto wordpress)

                          Great filler for anyone taking user submissions for a start.

                          My motivation here isn't to promote one sponsor or another, but simply to do
                          the leg work we all need to get the tool we've been waiting for out and in
                          use. Once there are a pool of sites using this format and sponsors with feeds
                          it will make affiliates jobs handling sponsor content all too easy. While
                          sponsors will have a lot of flexibility in the release of new content, tools will
                          evolve to aggregate sponsor feeds and rework content in imaginative ways
                          that can't even really be guessed at yet.

                          -Ben
                          Last edited by mryellow; 11-29-2007, 02:26 PM.
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                          • mryellow
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                            • May 2001
                            • 934

                            #14
                            Changed the use of length for enclosure links.

                            Atom describes it as being the filesize. For most readers this would be
                            expected. However we have an esoteric purpose for these feeds, and it is
                            the best place to put Duration rather then Filesize when it comes to movies.
                            Thus movie links now use length as duration.

                            Have a good weekend!

                            -Ben
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                            • mryellow
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                              • May 2001
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                              #15
                              http://code.google.com/p/adultatom4phpmotion/

                              phpMotion importer released.

                              -Ben
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                              • sortie
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                                • Mar 2007
                                • 7771

                                #16
                                Originally posted by mryellow
                                http://code.google.com/p/adultatom4phpmotion/

                                phpMotion importer released.

                                -Ben

                                Why don't you give a code example of what I should be writing for my script.

                                Stuff like how often should my script be reading this feed?
                                Are all the http media hot linkable or must be downloaded?
                                etc...etc...

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                                • mryellow
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                                  • May 2001
                                  • 934

                                  #17
                                  The locking down of content as hotlinkable is up to sponsors, this feed just
                                  gives them a syndication method. I would however imagine sponsors going
                                  down the path of allowing hotlinking, it makes business sense for everyone
                                  involved really. Your script should probably hit movies with a HEAD request to
                                  test if they are hotlinkable before including in database. However at this
                                  stage I don't think it will matter as I believe any sponsor partisipating in this
                                  kind of feed format will allow hotlinking.

                                  Do you have a Atom parser for perl? I can code you up something to take
                                  this feed and spit out an associated array if needbe. Got one for PHP already,
                                  perl wouldn't take long.

                                  Most of what you need to be concerned with is the titles of the links, finding
                                  the images that match the movies (thumbnails), and extracting the 2257 and
                                  affiliate links.

                                  Here is the main bit of logic from my phpMotion importer, it's probably a little
                                  strict in that it checks content types, titles, etc when in some cases it
                                  doesn't need to doublecheck all that.

                                  Code:
                                  foreach ($entry->links as $link) {
                                  	if ($link['title'] == "2257") {
                                  		$location_recorded = $link['href'];
                                  	} else if ($link['type'] == "video/x-flv" && $link['rel']=="enclosure") {
                                  		$video_length = $link['length'];
                                  		$video_length = sec2time($video_length);
                                  		if ($video_length["minutes"]>0) {
                                  			$video_length = $video_length["minutes"]."m ".$video_length["seconds"]."s";
                                  		} else {
                                  			$video_length = $video_length["seconds"]."s";
                                  		}
                                  		$video_url = $link['href'];
                                  		$video_title = $link['title'];
                                  	} else if ($link['type'] == "text/html" && $link['rel']=="alternate") {
                                  		$sponsor_url = $link['href'];
                                  		$sponsor_title = $link['title'];
                                  	} else if (preg_match('/.*Buy DVD.*/i',$link['title']) && $buy_url=='' && $link['type'] == "text/html" && $link['rel']=="related") {
                                  		$buy_url = $link['href'];
                                  	}
                                  }
                                  
                                  foreach ($entry->links as $link) {
                                  	if ("image[".$video_title."]" == $link['title'] && $link['type'] == "image/jpeg" && $link['rel']=="related") {
                                  		$thumb_url = $link['href'];
                                  	}
                                  }
                                  -Ben
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                                  • mryellow
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                                    • May 2001
                                    • 934

                                    #18
                                    As for how often to check.....

                                    Gunz itself adds content most days, not sure about other sponsors.

                                    -Ben
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                                    • Jamie
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                                      • Apr 2001
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                                      #19
                                      This is definitely the next evolution of free adult sites..
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                                      • Mark_E4A
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                                        • Apr 2003
                                        • 1514

                                        #20
                                        hey bro hit me up on icq, i love your scripts
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                                        • mryellow
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                                          • May 2001
                                          • 934

                                          #21
                                          Just to explain quickly how this can be used.....

                                          It all depends on what content you have, starting at the most basic and
                                          moving up, here's some ways to use it.

                                          1. Most sponsors have FHGs.

                                          Sponsors can use the feed to output their FHGs, benefits of AdultATOM come
                                          from the ability to include and link thumbnails, along with description and URL
                                          as an RSS would have. With RSS the only real way to make thumbnails work
                                          in these feeds was to include them as HTML in the description, however this
                                          doesn't work for everyones site as we all need different sized images etc.

                                          2. MPEGs

                                          With the growth of tube sites more sponsors will be spidering the URLs of
                                          their MPEGs from FHGs and releasing them as another option for webmasters.
                                          These URLs can be fed over AdultATOM with included thumbnails for each
                                          movie. With multiple links the sponsor can also include the 2257 info for these
                                          movies. Other links may include FHG, Buy DVD etc.

                                          3. FLV

                                          If the sponsor has FLVs for flash video streaming sites (better interface for
                                          users then ugly embedded MPEGs), these URLs can be passed over
                                          AdultATOM, complete with thumbnail, 2257 and any other links such as DVD
                                          purchase etc.


                                          When it comes to the affiliate..... Heres how the wordpress plugin will work.

                                          1. Feed is pulled and parsed.
                                          2. Content is posted into blog entries.

                                          Given the ability of wordpress posts to contain all kinds of content this is a
                                          good example of the fullness of what is possible.

                                          As the wordpress plug parses the feed it will use different insertion templates
                                          depending on the type of content. If the entry includes an FLV, then a flash
                                          player will be inserted, if there are MPEGs it will discover their thumb URL and
                                          link them from the post, if there is a Buy DVD link or 2257 URL they'll be
                                          included.... etc.... So whatever comes along wordpress will be able to create
                                          a post containing that type of content.

                                          While depending on the sponsors implementation of the feed, affiliates should
                                          be able to query the feed to only spit out content which contains the type of
                                          resources the affiliate is seeking. i.e. only pulling entries with FLVs, or only
                                          entries with the category of "teen", or only those where description contains
                                          a keyword.....

                                          -Ben
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                                          • mryellow
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                                            • May 2001
                                            • 934

                                            #22
                                            http://groups.google.com/group/adultatom

                                            Heres the main home page of the project.

                                            From there we'll have links to different importers and parsers etc.

                                            Also list of sponsors supporting the format.

                                            -Ben
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                                            • mryellow
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                                              • May 2001
                                              • 934

                                              #23
                                              Halfway through the Wordpress plug....

                                              Sortie.... Here is some more code that pulls more then just FLVs and puts movies in arrays.

                                              Code:
                                              foreach ($contents->entries as $entry) {
                                              	$flvthumb_url = array();
                                              	$flv_url = array();
                                              	$flv_length = array();
                                              	$flv_title = array();
                                              	
                                              	$mpgthumb_url = array();
                                              	$mpg_url = array();
                                              	$mpg_length = array();
                                              	$mpg_title = array();
                                              	
                                              	$flv_cnt = 0;
                                              	$mpg_cnt = 0;
                                              	
                                              	$twotwofiveseven = '';
                                              	$sponsor_url = '';
                                              	$sponsor_title = '';
                                              	$buy_url = '';
                                              
                                              	$video_id = md5($entry->id);
                                              	$title = $entry->title[1];
                                              	$description = $entry->content[1];
                                              
                                              	foreach ($entry->links as $link) {
                                              		
                                              		// 2257
                                              		if ($link['title'] == "2257") {
                                              			$twotwofiveseven_url = $link['href'];
                                              			
                                              		// MPEGs
                                              		} else if ($link['type'] == "video/mpeg" && $link['rel']=="enclosure") {
                                              			$mpg_length[$mpg_cnt] = $link['length'];
                                              			$mpg_length[$mpg_cnt] = sec2time($video_length);
                                              			if ($mpg_length[$mpg_cnt]["minutes"]>0) {
                                              				$mpg_length[$mpg_cnt] = $video_length["minutes"]."m ".$video_length["seconds"]."s";
                                              			} else {
                                              				$mpg_length[$mpg_cnt] = $video_length["seconds"]."s";
                                              			}
                                              			$mpg_url[$mpg_cnt] = $link['href'];
                                              			$mpg_title[$mpg_cnt] = $link['title'];
                                              			$mpgthumb_url[$x] = '';
                                              			$mpg_cnt++;
                                              			
                                              		// FLVs
                                              		} else if ($link['type'] == "video/x-flv" && $link['rel']=="enclosure") {
                                              			$flv_length[$flv_cnt] = $link['length'];
                                              			$flv_length[$flv_cnt] = sec2time($video_length);
                                              			if ($flv_length[$flv_cnt]["minutes"]>0) {
                                              				$flv_length[$flv_cnt] = $video_length["minutes"]."m ".$video_length["seconds"]."s";
                                              			} else {
                                              				$flv_length[$flv_cnt] = $video_length["seconds"]."s";
                                              			}
                                              			$flv_url[$flv_cnt] = $link['href'];
                                              			$flv_title[$flv_cnt] = $link['title'];
                                              			$flvthumb_url[$x] = '';
                                              			$flv_cnt++;
                                              			
                                              		// Sponsor Link
                                              		} else if ($link['type'] == "text/html" && $link['rel']=="alternate") {
                                              			$sponsor_url = $link['href'];
                                              			$sponsor_title = $link['title'];
                                              			
                                              		// Buy DVD Link
                                              		} else if (preg_match('/Buy DVD/i',$link['title']) && $buy_url=='' && $link['type'] == "text/html" && $link['rel']=="related") {
                                              			$buy_url = $link['href'];
                                              		}
                                              	}
                                              	
                                              	// Match Images to Links
                                              	foreach ($entry->links as $link) {
                                              		for ($x=0;$x<$flv_cnt;$x++) {		
                                              			if ('image['.$flv_title[$x].']' == $link['title'] && $link['type'] == "image/jpeg" && $link['rel']=="related") {
                                              				$flvthumb_url[$x] = $link['href'];
                                              			}
                                              		}
                                              		for ($x=0;$x<$mpg_cnt;$x++) {
                                              			if ('image['.$mpg_title[$x].']' == $link['title'] && $link['type'] == "image/jpeg" && $link['rel']=="related") {
                                              				$mpgthumb_url[$x] = $link['href'];
                                              			}
                                              		}
                                              	}	
                                              	
                                              	if ($title!='') {
                                              		echo "<HR><BR><BR>\n\n";
                                              		echo "title: " . $title . "<BR>\n";
                                              		echo "description: " . $description . "<BR>\n";
                                              		echo "date_uploaded: " . $date_uploaded . "<BR>\n";
                                              		echo "2257: " . $location_recorded . "<BR>\n";
                                              		echo "sponsor_title: " . $sponsor_title . "<BR>\n";
                                              		echo "sponsor_url: " . $sponsor_url . "<BR>\n";
                                              		echo "buy_url: " . $buy_url . "<BR>\n";
                                              		
                                              		if (count($flv_title)>0) {
                                              			echo "<BR>FLVs<BR>\n";
                                              			for ($x=0;$x<count($flv_title);$x++) {		
                                              				echo "Title: " . $flv_title[$x] . "<BR>\n";
                                              				echo "Thumb: " . $flvthumb_url[$x] . "<BR>\n";
                                              				echo "URL: " . $flv_url[$x] . "<BR>\n";
                                              				echo "Length: " . $flv_length[$x] . "<BR>\n";
                                              			}
                                              		}
                                              		
                                              		if (count($mpg_title)>0){ 
                                              			echo "<BR>MPEGs<BR>\n";
                                              			for ($x=0;$x<count($mpg_title);$x++) {		
                                              				echo "Title: " . $mpg_title[$x] . "<BR>\n";
                                              				echo "Thumb: " . $mpgthumb_url[$x] . "<BR>\n";
                                              				echo "URL: " . $mpg_url[$x] . "<BR>\n";
                                              				echo "Length: " . $mpg_length[$x] . "<BR>\n";
                                              			}
                                              		}
                                              	}
                                              }
                                              -Ben
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                                              • mryellow
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                                                • May 2001
                                                • 934

                                                #24
                                                Some bugs in that re: $video_length but you get the idea.....

                                                -Ben
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                                                • mryellow
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                                                  • May 2001
                                                  • 934

                                                  #25
                                                  http://code.google.com/p/adultatom4wordpress/

                                                  Just finished it, looks debugged, will check deeper in the morning and release
                                                  and example of it in action etc, until then if you'd like to play grab the SVN.

                                                  Very cool! FLV player + mpegs + description etc all in as content of a
                                                  wordpress post, SEF URLs and the whole bit.

                                                  Writting WordPress plugs is actually very easy, next time you need to hack it
                                                  I suggest using a plug, the way they work is nice, with options pages etc.

                                                  -Ben
                                                  Cyberwurx Hosting
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                                                  Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
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                                                  • Jamie
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                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                    • 2517

                                                    #26
                                                    Ben, what is your ICQ
                                                    I'm tracking this thread and I appreciate what you're doing.
                                                    Tube sites are the future whether or not anyone agrees...
                                                    Maybe we can do something together
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                                                    • After Shock Media
                                                      It's coming look busy
                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                      • 35299

                                                      #27
                                                      I am far from a tech but by reading this it seems that it wants the sponsors to allow hotlinking of the movies or in simple terms pass the bandwidth costs to the sponsors to show their content to people that typically never buy, or am I wrong?

                                                      If I am not wrong would tube owners be willing to take a major pay cut for this ability?

                                                      [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                                      • mryellow
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • May 2001
                                                        • 934

                                                        #28
                                                        Don't think anyone is taking a pay cut...... It's no different to free hosting
                                                        really, except the right person is paying so as not to pollute the whole thing.

                                                        From another board:
                                                        It's just a change in delivery method really... Good for all in the end.

                                                        MPEG galleries weren't economically viable for affiliate webmasters not so
                                                        long ago. Most who were in the game were using geocities and other free
                                                        hosts for their clips. Sponsors however were able to come in and offer FHGs
                                                        with MPEGs by using their larger bandwidth deals to reduce costs. Somewhat
                                                        merging the freehost market and getting rid of the need for dirty tricks and
                                                        banners that come along with free host bandwidth.

                                                        Now adult is catching up with Web2.0 on the interactivity front. The code is
                                                        getting fast enough and manageable enough for us to use on our fast
                                                        loading, high traffic porn sites. While bandwidth gets cheaper for those
                                                        burning a lot of it.

                                                        So the distribution model is evolving again. With tube sites there is a great
                                                        motivation for sponsors to take responsibility for content serving and
                                                        bandwidth. While allowing affiliates to focus on growing niche markets around
                                                        selections of sponsor content, aggregated and presented in that affiliates
                                                        unique way.

                                                        This further opens the way for sponsors acting as smart content repositories,
                                                        with the ability to serve content while also protecting it. Serving content to
                                                        affiliates traffic in much the same way it is to paysite members. With token
                                                        systems to protect the location of files and a proxy script to output the
                                                        content. Even DRM systems could then be layered in. However I think for
                                                        now most sponsors would be happy to distribute their watermarked gallery
                                                        clips. Saturation of this type of content shouldn't be a problem as it's in clip
                                                        format, while paysites still have the full scene to offer. The more saturated it
                                                        gets the better really, as long as it's all the same content and the paysite
                                                        offers more, conversation ratios may drop but the bottom-line always goes
                                                        up.

                                                        This being said nothing about the spec I've set out says that sponsors
                                                        must use their bandwidth, this is just the medium for transmitting the
                                                        information. The remote site can download the content and repackage it
                                                        using FFMPEG or hotlink it, any restrictions on this would be up to sponsors.
                                                        However I'd imagine the best way forward is hot-linking. If it's abused in any
                                                        major way sponsors can implement token protection on-top of that.

                                                        The main benefit for sponsors would be the ability to quickly push out new
                                                        release content onto affiliate sites, meaning blitz promotion of major DVD
                                                        releases or new paysites will be much easier.
                                                        If sponsors want the traffic they'll need to provide the tools, surfers like the
                                                        Web2.0 and YouTube thing, it's more usable and easy to manage for all. It's
                                                        where the surfers are, affiliates are following, sponsors need too as well.

                                                        A sponsor can offer a feed of movie locations and still require the affiliates
                                                        script downloads the video, but how many affiliates can afford to serve that
                                                        kind of video and support growth without problems. While which sponsor do
                                                        you think affiliates will choose......

                                                        Sure it might take awhile for some to catch on, but really it's unavoidable.

                                                        It's just the way the market is going. Just a matter of who the early-
                                                        adopters are going to be, some have done this for a long time, just not in a
                                                        structured way.

                                                        -Ben
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                                                        • mryellow
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • May 2001
                                                          • 934

                                                          #29
                                                          Lets put it this way........

                                                          Imagine a FHG without a design.......

                                                          It's design is machine-readable, not a bunch of big image slices in the same
                                                          format with the same colors for every affiliate on every TGP. It's content can
                                                          be posted anywhere, as long as the link is included of course.

                                                          Who pays bandwidth on FHGs?

                                                          Now.... What is the difference between an FHG which a sponsor hosts the
                                                          design for, which then links to MPEGs the sponsor hosts.... and a Blog post
                                                          an affiliate hosts the design for, which links to MPEGs the sponsor hosts.

                                                          If you're burning more bandwidth, it should only be because you're getting
                                                          more traffic and exposure.

                                                          -Ben
                                                          Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                          After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                          Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
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                                                          • Jamie
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                            • 2517

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                            I am far from a tech but by reading this it seems that it wants the sponsors to allow hotlinking of the movies or in simple terms pass the bandwidth costs to the sponsors to show their content to people that typically never buy, or am I wrong?

                                                            If I am not wrong would tube owners be willing to take a major pay cut for this ability?

                                                            What do you personally know about tube sites and the traffic? What do you know about "people that typically never buy"?

                                                            I think what you fail to understand is this IS the new MEDIUM online. It's your job as a sponsor to monetize it.

                                                            Ben is trying to define the process in which Sponsors can monetize their content.

                                                            You have two choices. Let thepiratebay, youporn and megaerotic use our content however they want, or you as a Sponsor can define HOW you want your content to be used, how you want the links to work, how the advertising should be displayed.

                                                            And yes the Sponsor should foot the bill.

                                                            And if they don't want to, then they can just let the tube sites do what they want.

                                                            Sponsors need to get on board, define the methods of how their content should be used. Whether they make money or not doesn't matter, at least they have a "Say". Tube sites aren't going anywhere.. get onboard and define the methodology or get left behind... just my .02
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                                                            • mryellow
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • May 2001
                                                              • 934

                                                              #31
                                                              Sorry didn't see the post above...

                                                              10638430

                                                              -Ben
                                                              Cyberwurx Hosting
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                                                              Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
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                                                              • After Shock Media
                                                                It's coming look busy
                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                • 35299

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Jamie
                                                                What do you personally know about tube sites and the traffic? What do you know about "people that typically never buy"?

                                                                I think what you fail to understand is this IS the new MEDIUM online. It's your job as a sponsor to monetize it.

                                                                Ben is trying to define the process in which Sponsors can monetize their content.

                                                                You have two choices. Let thepiratebay, youporn and megaerotic use our content however they want, or you as a Sponsor can define HOW you want your content to be used, how you want the links to work, how the advertising should be displayed.

                                                                And yes the Sponsor should foot the bill.

                                                                And if they don't want to, then they can just let the tube sites do what they want.

                                                                Sponsors need to get on board, define the methods of how their content should be used. Whether they make money or not doesn't matter, at least they have a "Say". Tube sites aren't going anywhere.. get onboard and define the methodology or get left behind... just my .02
                                                                I am asking some questions if you do not mind.
                                                                I do know the ratios on tubes vs quality mgp sites, specially where I can design and optimize the galley format (selling points) and provide quality video.
                                                                I have tried tube sites and tried to make enough sales, the ratio's are terrible.

                                                                I just really do not see why a sponsor alone should foot the bill, keep payouts the same and give such sites the one key the need. Badwidth control. Reality is yes tube sites will work, sponsors will do it, tube sites will then still make money pushing dating, webcams, and stuff like pills.

                                                                Oh well, just being curious and am always curious of the mindset of sponsors pay for it all.

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                                                                • madfuck
                                                                  Registered User
                                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                                  • 2032

                                                                  #33
                                                                  dammm thts a good idea ")

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                                                                  • mryellow
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 934

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I do know the ratios on tubes vs quality mgp sites, specially where I can
                                                                    design and optimize the galley format (selling points) and provide quality
                                                                    video. I have tried tube sites and tried to make enough sales, the ratio's are
                                                                    terrible.
                                                                    Sad thing is that optimised design just ends up old. Every affiliate using the
                                                                    same design, all on your bandwidth. An affiliate that actually takes time to
                                                                    design their own galleries and do them properly seems to be a rare thing
                                                                    these days.

                                                                    I just really do not see why a sponsor alone should foot the bill, keep payouts the same and give such sites the one key the need.
                                                                    Did you drop payouts when you introduced FHGs?
                                                                    Don't you pay for all the bandwidth on those? Including the weighty designs?

                                                                    Reality is yes tube sites will work, sponsors will do it, tube sites will then still
                                                                    make money pushing dating, webcams, and stuff like pills.
                                                                    As market penetration increases, signup ratios drop, but bottom line and
                                                                    market size keeps going up. The sponsor makes more money even as their
                                                                    ratio goes down year after year (as long as they keep existing sites fresh and
                                                                    release new products over time).

                                                                    Affiliates however end up hitting a bit of a wall when it comes to these
                                                                    ratios, they have a limited pool of users, where the sponsor has a large
                                                                    variety of traffic sources a TGP has their bookmarkers and trades.... If TGPs
                                                                    had an unlimited number of products and sponsors they trusted and could
                                                                    work with it wouldn't be a problem. However webmasters stick with the
                                                                    sponsors they know, and over time they become less effective on their small
                                                                    pool of the same surfers, or large pool of surfers on sites displaying the same
                                                                    products. Thus TGPs branch out into tangable and non-adult products to
                                                                    display something fresh and different to these tired eyes.

                                                                    Meanwhile no matter how saturated the content becomes, the sponsors
                                                                    brand just keeps on growing.

                                                                    Really this branding and exposure is the key business of a sponsor.

                                                                    What better way to get your fresh content out there and promoted then
                                                                    PUSH it rather then wait months for affiliates to login and PULL it?

                                                                    The market is there, who cares about the signup ratio, either you promote to
                                                                    the market or ignore them, however ignoring them doesn't make them your
                                                                    customer any faster.

                                                                    -Ben
                                                                    Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                    After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                    Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                    Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

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                                                                    • mryellow
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 934

                                                                      #35
                                                                      http://code.google.com/p/adultatom4wordpress/

                                                                      Up and working....
                                                                      Example: http://www.cockcruisers.com/news/

                                                                      Now tell me a sponsor that doesn't want to see those out there!

                                                                      Will take whatever types of links it can find in the feed and output them into a post.

                                                                      -Ben
                                                                      Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                      After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                      Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                      Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

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                                                                      • mryellow
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                        • 934

                                                                        #36
                                                                        k that adultatom4wordpress looks done! and looks great!

                                                                        onto adultatom2html :-)

                                                                        Then Perl examples of parsers....

                                                                        -Ben
                                                                        Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                        After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                        Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                        Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

                                                                        <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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                                                                        • FiReC
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                          • 2350

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Looks good I would like to adopt this format for our new tube solution. Will be in touch - [email protected]
                                                                          www.nubilefilms.com | www.nubiles.net | www.anilos.com | tubescript.nubiles.net | icq4162727

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                                                                          • mryellow
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                            • 934

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Awesome stuff!

                                                                            Will be good to have some examples that don't scare everyone away with gay fisting :-)

                                                                            -Ben
                                                                            Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                            After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                            Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                            Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

                                                                            <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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                                                                            • mryellow
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                              • 934

                                                                              #39
                                                                              k the nubiles feed works with the wordpress plug straight off the bat.

                                                                              I have to adjust adultatom4phpmotion so it creates a separate video for
                                                                              each FLV link within an entry, instead of just one video per entry.

                                                                              -Ben
                                                                              Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                              After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                              Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                              Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

                                                                              <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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                                                                              • wyldworx
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Dec 2006
                                                                                • 5144

                                                                                #40
                                                                                bumpage, I like the idea.

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                                                                                • mryellow
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                  • 934

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Added support for the XSPF/RSS/etc playlists the JW FLVPlayer supports.

                                                                                  So have the option of also including a playlist for other related files, sounds a
                                                                                  little odd but makes sense for those with this resource. The importers will
                                                                                  include the playlist if they know how or just use the FLV assets already
                                                                                  included.

                                                                                  adultatom4phpmotion and wordpress both updated.

                                                                                  Nubiles feed has turned out good, adultatom4phpmotion now posts a
                                                                                  separate video for each FLV included. He's used it fairly different to me, but
                                                                                  everything works and nothing breaks so things are looking good as far as
                                                                                  having a working standard.

                                                                                  -Ben
                                                                                  Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                                  After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                                  Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                                  Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

                                                                                  <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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                                                                                  • mryellow
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                    • 934

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Think phpMotion is missing a truecolor flag on the thumb generator....
                                                                                    GD looks that bad when not set right.

                                                                                    -Ben
                                                                                    Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                                    After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                                    Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                                    Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

                                                                                    <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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                                                                                    • mryellow
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                      • 934

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      btw.... All this code is being posted under Apache 2.0 License.

                                                                                      So feel free to download, modify, redistribute, fix, break or whatever.

                                                                                      -Ben
                                                                                      Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                                      After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                                      Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                                      Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

                                                                                      <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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                                                                                      • mryellow
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                        • 934

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        http://code.google.com/p/adultatom2html/

                                                                                        adultatom2html (Perl)

                                                                                        This perl code pulls the feed, parses it, and outputs a static HTML file.

                                                                                        -Ben
                                                                                        Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                                        After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                                        Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                                        Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

                                                                                        <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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                                                                                        • farkedup
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Nov 2007
                                                                                          • 2490

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          mryellow its great that you're trying to create some kind of a standard BUT I'm not planning on using this. I have a different standard that I'm putting together that honestly doesn't really have as many features as yours but I'm centering things around getting the companies to toss up some quick players and sending out embed codes to the tube sites.
                                                                                          -- QUOTE ME IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL --

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                                                                                          • mryellow
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                            • 934

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            So you're looking at it from the angle where sponsor also provides the player
                                                                                            and is embedded based on HTML sent in the feed?

                                                                                            Have you see MediaRSS, it does this, altho I don't think it really suits the
                                                                                            situation, basically because RSS only supports one link or enclosure per item.

                                                                                            If you can provide me with details on your format.... I'll write a translator so
                                                                                            scripts written to work with either can interoperate.

                                                                                            -Ben
                                                                                            Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                                            After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                                            Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                                            Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

                                                                                            <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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                                                                                            • JohnnyJames
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Oct 2007
                                                                                              • 621

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Anything new to report Ben?

                                                                                              Not many responses, but I imagine a few people are watching this. I downloaded the WP version and am tinkering with it this afternoon.

                                                                                              Appreciate the work you're putting into this!

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                                                                                              • mryellow
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                • 934

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I'm finding the tube script writters a bit of a stumbling block, most seem
                                                                                                intent on forcing sponsors to come up with 20 different feed formats using
                                                                                                dodgy text files filled with un-labeled potentially corrupt data..........

                                                                                                So it's looking like I either have to write translators for all their scripts, or
                                                                                                just take over the market with a well coded free tube script.

                                                                                                -Ben
                                                                                                Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                                                After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                                                Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                                                Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

                                                                                                <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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                                                                                                • JohnnyJames
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Oct 2007
                                                                                                  • 621

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by mryellow

                                                                                                  just take over the market with a well coded free tube script.

                                                                                                  -Ben

                                                                                                  Do it! Make THEM adopt your format. This is looking damn good. The potential here is huge, and could save so much time, if others will stop to check it out.

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                                                                                                  • mryellow
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                    • 934

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    5 signups this week on a blog with fuck all traffic from 2 mins work..... Not bad.

                                                                                                    -Ben
                                                                                                    Cyberwurx Hosting
                                                                                                    After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best.
                                                                                                    Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime.
                                                                                                    Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks.

                                                                                                    <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

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