US ambassador killed in Egypt

[Pornopat]

Together with 3 staffmembers through a rocket attack on the embassy

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/

Scary shit...

Rest in peace.

I wonder how this will influence the elections.

[seeandsee]

democracy ???
I was thinking they removed bad guy's... /ironic

egypt or libya ???

[BIGTYMER]

Because of a film? No. 9/11

[BladeZ]

It is Libya not Egypt.

[BIGTYMER]

Most media is saying it's because of a film.

9/11

Why is the press spinning that?

[Bill8]

You mean libya - an ambassador (seems unclear how high an official, conflicting reports) to libya was killed in benghazi.

It was a rocket attack on their car - a paramilitary action, not a mob. They were driving to the embassy, where one staff member had been reported killed in a mob attack, when they were ambushed.

So far I havn't heard of deaths in egypt. The embassy was overrun, at least partially. There were early reports of a death in egypt but that report is no longer being spread, it may be confusion with the death in libya.

Interesting situation. One would think that embassies were better protected.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...88B0EI20120912

(Reuters) - The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff were killed in a rocket attack on Tuesday night that targeted his car in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, a Libyan official said on Wednesday.

"The American ambassador and three staff members were killed when gunmen fired rockets at them," the official in Benghazi told Reuters. Asked about the deaths, a U.S. Embassy employee in Tripoli said: "We have no information regarding this." The employee said the embassy could confirm the death of one person.

The Libyan official said the U.S. ambassador had been on his way to a safer venue after protesters attacked the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi and opened fire, killing a staff member, in protest at a U.S. film that they deemed blasphemous to the Prophet Mohammad.

The official said the ambassador and three other staff were killed when gunmen fired rockets at his car. He said the U.S. Embassy had sent a military plane to transport the bodies to Tripoli to fly them to the United States.

Gunmen assaulted the Benghazi compound on Tuesday evening, clashing with Libyan security forces, who withdrew under heavy fire. The attackers fired at the buildings while others threw handmade bombs into the compound, setting off small explosions. Small fires were burning around the compound.

The assault followed a protest in neighboring Egypt where demonstrators scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy, tore down the American flag and burned it during a protest over the same film which they said insulted the Prophet Mohammad.

[Mutt]

and idiots apologize for these monkeys. we live in countries where we can mock Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and any other religion. and we allow foreigners the same free speech.

should probably drop a small nuke on the Middle East - would settle them down. if they started up again, drop another one.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Most media is saying it's because of a film.

9/11

Why is the press spinning that?

Terry Jones spread one of his films about burning the koran to celebrate 911.

It seems the film somehow became common knowledge in the middle east. gee, I wonder how.

Looks like there was a coordinated paramilitary component to the riots.

[Phoenix]

hmm...this is probably not going to end well.

[BIGTYMER]

4 dead.

Crazy..

[Bill8]

The film wasn't made by Terry Jones but was being promoted by him. I read somewhere a koran burning was supposed to happen, unclear exactly when.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-...e1-928641.aspx

Egyptian police intervened without resort to force and persuaded the trespassers to come down. The crowd then largely dispersed leaving just a few hundred protesters outside the US mission, an AFP correspondent reported.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the film, "Innocence of Muslims," was made by Israeli-American Sam Bacile, a 52-year-old real-estate developer from southern California who says Islam is a hateful religion.

"Islam is a cancer," Bacile told the newspaper.

The film is being promoted by controversial Florida pastor Terry Jones, who has drawn protests in the past for burning the Koran and vehemently opposing the construction of a mosque near Ground Zero in New York.

This is the film trailer

[BIGTYMER]

I wonder if Americans will protest outside the Libyan embassy in Washington? Doubtful.

[Pornopat]

Originally Posted by BladeZ

It is Libya not Egypt.

Originally Posted by Bill8

You mean libya - an ambassador (seems unclear how high an official, conflicting reports) to libya was killed in benghazi.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...88B0EI20120912

Yes correct. Libya and not egypt.

[Bill8]

They were escaping from the embassy - and it does seem to have been THE ambassador to libya.

We always knew the islamist rightwing was going to try to cause unrest, after the strongmen were killed.

It's a very interesting political puzzle - but we are at a huge disadvantage in the middle east now, what with democracy. All of our pocket dictators are getting rubbed out - so the military solution we used to have - get the local warlord to kill a few hundred, and throw a few thousand into the torture chambers - isn't an option any more.

The colonels are wargaming like hell this morning, and the generals are scrambling to cya over the intelligence failure.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

I wonder if Americans will protest outside the Libyan embassy in Washington? Doubtful.

That would be hilarious and wonderful. I would so love to see that.

Cmon you muslim haters, get out there and burn those korans.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Bill8

This is the film trailer

Middle eastern news agencies - implied to be local news, I dont know if it was alzazeerah - spread the news of the film on 911, causing the riots. Fascinating.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Bill8

They were escaping from the embassy - and it does seem to have been THE ambassador to libya.

We always knew the islamist rightwing was going to try to cause unrest, after the strongmen were killed.

It's a very interesting political puzzle - but we are at a huge disadvantage in the middle east now, what with democracy. All of our pocket dictators are getting rubbed out - so the military solution we used to have - get the local warlord to kill a few hundred, and throw a few thousand into the torture chambers - isn't an option any more.

The colonels are wargaming like hell this morning, and the generals are scrambling to cya over the intelligence failure.

i expect a few airstrikes. They should just use drones. Fly over their most precious military bases and pepper them.

[BIGTYMER]

http://m.aljazeera.com/story/20129112108737726

Smoke inhalation this one says.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

i expect a few airstrikes. They should just use drones. Fly over their most precious military bases and pepper them.

hahahahah - funny but profoundly unlikely.

you have to keep in mind we are close to fucked as far as military options are concerned.

in theory you can do all kinds of things militarily, in practice, because of the oil, and the military logistics and strategic disasters of iraq and afghanistan, we are kinda just standing there bent over with our pants down, when it comes to irregular and swarm warfare like this.

the ideal military response would have been immediate and overwhelming local defense - but we failed at that.

now our best bet is to get a return of the mobs so we get a second chance at overwhelming defense. kill a few hundred in what is clearly justifiable self defense.

the mobs WANT us to cut diplomatic ties and funding of the local governments - so the stabdard diplomatic strategies just play into the goals of the local islamist chiefs.

[Bill8]

"smoke inhalation" means he burned to death, incidentally.

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by Bill8

"smoke inhalation" means he burned to death, incidentally.

Terrible way to go.. but better than being tortured by those animals.

[Bill8]

lol - gingrinch just said if romney were president he would be "outraged" and "offended" at egypt and libya.

that'll teach those camelfuckers.

[Black All Through]

Originally Posted by Mutt

and idiots apologize for these monkeys. we live in countries where we can mock Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and any other religion. and we allow foreigners the same free speech.

should probably drop a small nuke on the Middle East - would settle them down. if they started up again, drop another one.

[Bill8]

you know, every weapons manufactiurer in teh world is waking up this morning and saying to themselves - "RIGHT! In the future every army is going to need massive force multiplication anti-mob weaponry! And robots, anti-mob robots! We are going to make FUCKING BILLIONS!!!".

It really is a fascinating miltary problem. What you need are berserker anti-mob robots, like metal monstars kept in a cave under an embassy, that can be activated for anti-personal attacks against irregulars.

Cool when you think about it. Makes me want to write a short story about the things.

Then of course the same technology will be used to kill americans when they finally grow a pair and try to rebel against wall street. Way cool.

[Dirty Dane]

Fuck religion.

[Bill8]

The egyptian thing seems to be pretty minor in hindsight. Not an overrun, just a mob, and young guys climbing on top of the embassy to rip down flags.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Mutt

and idiots apologize for these monkeys. we live in countries where we can mock Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and any other religion. and we allow foreigners the same free speech.

should probably drop a small nuke on the Middle East - would settle them down. if they started up again, drop another one.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Normally, I am not an isolationist but if they (the Islamists) want to behave like throwbacks to 1000 AD let them be responsible for their country's isolation from the modern world.

If they want to bring their bullshit on to the rest of the world -- eliminate them for good.

[BIGTYMER]

[directfiesta]

Addressing a press conference, Sharif blamed loyalists of former Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi for the attack, while stressing that the US should have removed its personnel from the country when news of the film's release broke.

How clueless ...

I thought Gaddafi was a " killing his own people " type of guy... not killing embassy staffers...
The "rebels" were the religious zealots that Gaddafi was containing/repressing ( now you see why ? )
Benghazi IS the strong hold of those righteous rebels, so rapidly embraced by clueless american " foreign policy " experts...

Nice spin from this guy ....

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Bill8

you know, every weapons manufactiurer in teh world is waking up this morning and saying to themselves - "RIGHT! In the future every army is going to need massive force multiplication anti-mob weaponry! And robots, anti-mob robots! We are going to make FUCKING BILLIONS!!!".

It really is a fascinating miltary problem. What you need are berserker anti-mob robots, like metal monstars kept in a cave under an embassy, that can be activated for anti-personal attacks against irregulars.

Cool when you think about it. Makes me want to write a short story about the things.

Then of course the same technology will be used to kill americans when they finally grow a pair and try to rebel against wall street. Way cool.

They need the ED-209

[helterskelter808]

I bet every fucking idiot here complaining about this was all for us supporting these loonies when Ghadaffi was in charge. Nobody can say we weren't warned. Support Islamists, as we did, and this is the result. It's not like it happens every time or anything.

And still we continue supporting the Islamist terrorists in Syria.

At some point you have to ask yourself who benefits from us building up these nutcases?

[Rochard]

That's some shit. They've broken into one Embassy and killed the ambassador to the Embassy in Libya.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by Bill8

lol - gingrinch just said if romney were president he would be "outraged" and "offended" at egypt and libya.

that'll teach those camelfuckers.

[Shotsie]

One day...

[sweetcuties]

Very sad

[TheSquealer]

I used to watch Al Jazeera and others and listen to people from the Middle East calling everyone in the USA and Western Nations, "Christian Crusaders" "the Crusaders" in reference to Middle East policy/war and so on and kinda laugh and think "wow, what a primitive, shortsighted and wholly inaccurate view of things".

Then I read the idiocy in places like this forum where everyone simply refers to "Muslims", "Islamists" etc maligning well over a billion and a 1/2 people for the actions and behavior of what is an incalculably small % of that group.

It is then, that I usually find myself forced to wonder which side is the most ignorant.

Even funnier, who here has actually read the Qu'ran? Who has the slightest idea what it even contains, what it says, its meaning? Who here has read the other holy books of Islam? I have a copy next to my bed. Read it many times. Read the Old Testament and New Testament many many times. Not because the English Translation of the Qu'ran reads as beautifully as it does in Arabic, or the English Translations of the Bible are overly poetic, but because these books have, more than any other single factor played the largest role in shaping the world around us. They are profound enough in their impact on the world around us that any sensible person, should want to understood them. They are the foundation, the moral codes and the rules by which many (namely, the silent majority) live their lives - whether you think it's silly or not.

These discussions of religion are always driven by ignorance and those who are the most outspoken and most obnoxious are usually, without exception, the most ignorant of the views and beliefs they are making fun of.

[helterskelter808]

^ Very good post. Hope you enjoy your stay in Cuba though.

And to be fair, "Islamists" I assume to mean the extremist loons, not every normal Muslim.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I used to watch Al Jazeera and others and listen to people from the Middle East calling everyone in the USA and Western Nations, "Christian Crusaders" "the Crusaders" in reference to Middle East policy/war and so on and kinda laugh and think "wow, what a primitive, shortsighted and wholly inaccurate view of things".

Then I read the idiocy in places like this forum where everyone simply refers to "Muslims", "Islamists" etc maligning well over a billion and a 1/2 people for the actions and behavior of what is an incalculably small % of that group.

It is then, that I usually find myself forced to wonder which side is the most ignorant.

Even funnier, who here has actually read the Qu'ran? Who has the slightest idea what it even contains, what it says, its meaning? Who here has read the other holy books of Islam? I have a copy next to my bed. Read it many times. Read the Old Testament and New Testament many many times. Not because the English Translation of the Qu'ran reads as beautifully as it does in Arabic, or the English Translations of the Bible are overly poetic, but because these books have, more than any other single factor played the largest role in shaping the world around us. They are profound enough in their impact on the world around us that any sensible person, should want to understood them. They are the foundation, the moral codes and the rules by which many (namely, the silent majority) live their lives - whether you think it's silly or not.

These discussions of religion are always driven by ignorance and those who are the most outspoken and most obnoxious are usually, without exception, the most ignorant of the views and beliefs they are making fun of.

have you read the quran?
a

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

have you read the quran?
a

I just said I read it many times. Can you read at all?

All religious discussion aside, this is the root of the problem. You are entitled to your opinion but calling BILLIONS of people idiots for their beliefs, be it Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism etc etc etc, isn't exactly a foundation for peace and prosperity.

Further, a simple fact of reason and logic is that you cannot disprove the existence of God. On that basis alone, a rational and logical person would at least accept the possibility or accept that its possible that God (or a Creator) exists.

I have a business with amazing members. The only way I know which are Muslim besides those very few that wear head scarves, is they disappear during Ramadan.

[PostWhore]

Are you telling me that US supporting Islamic uprisings in the Middle East backfired? Nooo way.

[Tom_PM]

I'm going to say this right now and get it out of the way.

If someone wants to burn a holy bible and say Christ was a dickhead, I'm not going to go kill people who represent their country.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Mutt

and idiots apologize for these monkeys. we live in countries where we can mock Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and any other religion. and we allow foreigners the same free speech.

should probably drop a small nuke on the Middle East - would settle them down. if they started up again, drop another one.

So Mitt can count on your vote then?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Pornopat

US ambassador killed in Egypt

At least he has been killed by democratic people in the democratic country

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

At least he has been killed by democratic people in the democratic country

So true ....



and by ' rebels ' ...... not 'insurgents ' ....

[bronco67]

I don't know why we even try to have an ambassador in a country of monkeys. Let's get the fuck out of the middle east and let them kill each other and subjugate their women.

[CaptainHowdy]

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

So true ....



and by ' rebels ' ...... not 'insurgents ' ....

looks like they have sponsors

[Paul Markham]

Christians did the same a few hundred years ago.

Islam is still growing up.

[LA Crew]

Obama spent 4yrs trying to kiss up to the Arab world and here are the results of his foreign policy.