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CDSmith · 08-28-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

You guys still going at this?

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

That was your thirteen thousandth post.

And it's Tuesday. Up here in Canadia that right there, his 13k post and the fact that it's Tuesday, is more than enough grounds to throw a party and declare tomorrow a mental health day.

Cracking the liquor cabinet in 3...2....1....

Robbie · 08-28-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So when is Robbie going to install one on his home? Swimming pool, Air con, Fridge, Freezer etc. Or are we waiting for the Government?

No smartass. I'm not "waiting on the govt."

The house I live in now is over 5,000 square feet. I'm telling you that for a reason.

Before I moved here in late 2008, I was going to power my old home in South Carolina with solar power.
I had a company come out and give me the quote.

My old home was a small 1,700 sq. foot house. To convert it to solar power would have cost $54,000 !!!!

I asked the company "WHY" that much? They told me that every patent for solar power was owned by oil companies. And the oil companies make sure the price is kept high enough that it isn't feasible for home owners to do it.

So if my 1,900 sq. foot home required a system that was $54,000 (the panels were installed on the ground on mechanical stands and followed the sun during the day and charged batteries for the evening...it was completely self contained with no outside elecrtic power neeeded)...then I can only imagine that a solar power system for my much bigger home would be almost TRIPLE the cost.

My power bill averages around $500 a month. Or $6,000 a year.

So if it cost $150,000 to go solar in my home...it would take 25 years for the solar unit to have paid for itself in savings.

No Paul...believe me...I WANT to go solar. Who wouldn't? But the cost is so outrageous that it makes no sense.

And that is what I'm saying about our federal govt.

They know what the oil companies have done. And yet they don't do anything about it.
They would rather have arguments about abortion and contraception and Romney with a dog on the roof of his car and Obama eating a dog....Shit that just isn't very important. But it's very distracting.

If I was told that my taxes were being used to actually help poor people, pay for health care, and converting our country to solar energy...then I wouldn't say a word.

But if ANY federal dollars are actually being spent on that...it's a TINY fraction.

The rest is all funneled back to their cronies at home and mostly pumped into the war machine.

Fuck that.

DamageX · 08-28-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

That was your thirteen thousandth post.

Heh, so much for me caring about postcount, I didn't even notice...

Paul Markham · 08-28-2012, 11:42 PM

Apologies to Robbie. Some of the costs seem high.

These might help a little.

http://www.siliconsolar.com/diy-solar-panel-kits.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/45-watt...kit-68751.html

http://www.mrsolar.com/

He's spot on about Big Business in ?america having too much control. Until they take the funding by these companies out of the system nothing will change.

kane · 08-29-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Apologies to Robbie. Some of the costs seem high.

These might help a little.

http://www.siliconsolar.com/diy-solar-panel-kits.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/45-watt...kit-68751.html

http://www.mrsolar.com/

He's spot on about Big Business in ?america having too much control. Until they take the funding by these companies out of the system nothing will change.

But if they take some of the funding out of these companies people might lose their jobs and you seem to be against any action that might cost people their jobs.

Paul Markham · 08-29-2012, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

But if they take some of the funding out of these companies people might lose their jobs and you seem to be against any action that might cost people their jobs.

Sorry my mistake, I meant take the funding by big companies out of the political system. Obviously funding things like Solar Energy is a no brainer, so long as the panels are not imported from China. Look at the the "Made in ????" label to see the problem.

Why do people hate Socialism and love big business supplying everything. Then turn around and hate big business for controlling the system?

In the UK we had Unions controlling a Government and it was a mess. So I don't advocate that.

that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom?and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

kane · 08-29-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sorry my mistake, I meant take the funding by big companies out of the political system. Obviously funding things like Solar Energy is a no brainer, so long as the panels are not imported from China. Look at the the "Made in ????" label to see the problem.

Why do people hate Socialism and love big business supplying everything. Then turn around and hate big business for controlling the system?

In the UK we had Unions controlling a Government and it was a mess. So I don't advocate that.

that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom?and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

removing funding from businesses of the political system is something I am very much for. I actually think they should put something like a $500 max cap anyone can contribute to a political party or person. These days the politicians are for sale so there never really is a change. New guy is same as the old guy because they are all bought by the same people.

theking · 08-29-2012, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sorry my mistake, I meant take the funding by big companies out of the political system. Obviously funding things like Solar Energy is a no brainer, so long as the panels are not imported from China. Look at the the "Made in ????" label to see the problem.

Why do people hate Socialism and love big business supplying everything. Then turn around and hate big business for controlling the system?

In the UK we had Unions controlling a Government and it was a mess. So I don't advocate that.

that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom?and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

In order for funding by big companies to be taken out of the political system the Supreme Court will have to overturn a decision it made a few years ago about this subject...they decided something along the lines of money being "free speech".

theking · 08-29-2012, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

removing funding from businesses of the political system is something I am very much for. I actually think they should put something like a $500 max cap anyone can contribute to a political party or person. These days the politicians are for sale so there never really is a change. New guy is same as the old guy because they are all bought by the same people.

Government and politicians are what the "people" allow. Government by the people and for the people is not practiced by the people. The "people" do not do their due diligence and are apathetic...they prefer just to "bitch" instead...of participating.

Paul Markham · 08-29-2012, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

removing funding from businesses of the political system is something I am very much for. I actually think they should put something like a $500 max cap anyone can contribute to a political party or person. These days the politicians are for sale so there never really is a change. New guy is same as the old guy because they are all bought by the same people.

QFT

Look at the Rep. Convention going on as we post. Just one of the big jamborees of the US political circuit. While money is needed to do these, the saying "Who pays the fiddler, calls the tune." Is spot on.

Look no further than this board for evidence of that.

BFT3K · 08-29-2012, 09:52 AM

DTK · 08-29-2012, 10:13 AM

Current electoral vote projections based on current compiled polling data:

Obama 284 Romney 191 Undecided 63 http://www.270towin.com/
Obama 221 Romney 181 Undecided 136 http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...llege_map.html
Obama 332 Romney 206 http://www.electoral-vote.com/

BFT3K · 08-30-2012, 01:55 PM

Even Frothy knows better...

Mr Pheer · 08-30-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

No smartass. I'm not "waiting on the govt."

The house I live in now is over 5,000 square feet. I'm telling you that for a reason.

Before I moved here in late 2008, I was going to power my old home in South Carolina with solar power.
I had a company come out and give me the quote.

My old home was a small 1,700 sq. foot house. To convert it to solar power would have cost $54,000 !!!!

I asked the company "WHY" that much? They told me that every patent for solar power was owned by oil companies. And the oil companies make sure the price is kept high enough that it isn't feasible for home owners to do it.

So if my 1,900 sq. foot home required a system that was $54,000 (the panels were installed on the ground on mechanical stands and followed the sun during the day and charged batteries for the evening...it was completely self contained with no outside elecrtic power neeeded)...then I can only imagine that a solar power system for my much bigger home would be almost TRIPLE the cost.

My power bill averages around $500 a month. Or $6,000 a year.

So if it cost $150,000 to go solar in my home...it would take 25 years for the solar unit to have paid for itself in savings.

No Paul...believe me...I WANT to go solar. Who wouldn't? But the cost is so outrageous that it makes no sense.

And that is what I'm saying about our federal govt.

They know what the oil companies have done. And yet they don't do anything about it.
They would rather have arguments about abortion and contraception and Romney with a dog on the roof of his car and Obama eating a dog....Shit that just isn't very important. But it's very distracting.

If I was told that my taxes were being used to actually help poor people, pay for health care, and converting our country to solar energy...then I wouldn't say a word.

But if ANY federal dollars are actually being spent on that...it's a TINY fraction.

The rest is all funneled back to their cronies at home and mostly pumped into the war machine.

Fuck that.

The price has really dropped in the past two years. Add in federal tax credits and state incentives, and you could most likely get your current house done for less than the estimated cost of your previous house. I've been watching the market and considering doing it myself.

Robbie · 08-30-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

The price has really dropped in the past two years. Add in federal tax credits and state incentives, and you could most likely get your current house done for less than the estimated cost of your previous house. I've been watching the market and considering doing it myself.

I was looking at a 2.4 k output system at my old home (I think...hard to remember exactly) And it used the same technology that I had seen on television on that show where the guy builds new homes for people who have suffered some kind of tragedy.

It was going to be out on my property in the middle of a field with perfect access to the sun and it would actually move the solar panels to follow the sun during the day. And it also stored energy for use at night.

I wouldn't have used any energy at all from the grid...and potentially would have been selling my excess energy to the power company and GETTING a small check every month.

Is that the same kind of system that you are talking about that has dropped way down in price?

If that's the case then it would pay for itself in 8.3 years time and might be worth going after.

But in my humble opinion...IF global warming is such a big deal and this would also help lower our dependence on foreign energy...Why the fuck didn't the govt. take a trillion dollars and NOT give it to the banks and just install solar power on every building in the country?

GrantMercury · 08-30-2012, 02:40 PM

It's bullshit. Nobody likes Mitt, and while it seems close, the election is lightyears away still. DNC next week. Debates on the way.

Mitt is toast.

Rochard · 08-30-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

WHAT?

Everybody writes shit off. Including the people who work for other people. Jesus man. There are write offs for having kids for Christ sake! I write off two. lol
There's a mortgage interest write off.
You can write off the mileage on your car.

Get yourself an accountant...the tax laws are so big they are not even understandable to most of us.

I love it when every year all the people I know who work for someone get their "tax return" checks. They think it's Christmas! lol
It's THEIR OWN MONEY. But they look at it like a gift.

Reality is the govt. was taking their money all year long. And not paying a fucking dime in interest.

I understand what your saying, I am my own business, I have an accountant, and I write off everything. But the average person who works for someone else doesn't have the same tax advantages as someone who owns their own business.

DudeRick · 08-30-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I understand what your saying, I am my own business, I have an accountant, and I write off everything. But the average person who works for someone else doesn't have the same tax advantages as someone who owns their own business.

And yet businesses are moving jobs out of this country because we have the highest tax rate in the world.
From yesterday...
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-firm...024200566.html

BFT3K · 08-30-2012, 07:06 PM

Just gonna leave this here and see what happens...

Robbie · 08-30-2012, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Just gonna leave this here and see what happens...

So what do you suggest Vin? Why does it matter how much the wealthiest people make?

The wealthiest by far is the U.S. govt.
And it spends that money faster than it brings it in.

Would you like to tax the wealthiest people ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of their money?

I saw the math done on CNN a couple of days ago.
If you took 100 percent of the top wealthiest people in the U.S. money it would equal 1 trillion dollars. Not even enough to cover this years DEFICIT. And of course that would bankrupt those people so you could only do it once.

Why would you want to tax people more money anyway? Other than just being pissed off that they have more than you or I?

Or bring it down to our level...
Compared to the homeless, drunk, bums all over the streets here in Las Vegas...you have more money than GOD! So how about you come and give them all of YOUR money.
At least then it won't be given to politicians and bureacrats to hand over to their cronies back home and to invade other countries and kill people all over the world.

What exactly do YOU want to do? Just tax the rich a "little more"? For what? The govt. spends any percentage that you tax them even faster than they can write the check.

Come on man...wake up and see that you're being hoodwinked by a giant govt. that is so bloated with bureaucracy that it it unsustainable.

BFT3K · 08-30-2012, 07:55 PM

See... something happened!

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Originally Posted by Robbie

So what do you suggest Vin? Why does it matter how much the wealthiest people make?

The wealthiest by far is the U.S. govt.
And it spends that money faster than it brings it in.

Would you like to tax the wealthiest people ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of their money?

I saw the math done on CNN a couple of days ago.
If you took 100 percent of the top wealthiest people in the U.S. money it would equal 1 trillion dollars. Not even enough to cover this years DEFICIT. And of course that would bankrupt those people so you could only do it once.

Why would you want to tax people more money anyway? Other than just being pissed off that they have more than you or I?

Or bring it down to our level...
Compared to the homeless, drunk, bums all over the streets here in Las Vegas...you have more money than GOD! So how about you come and give them all of YOUR money.
At least then it won't be given to politicians and bureacrats to hand over to their cronies back home and to invade other countries and kill people all over the world.

What exactly do YOU want to do? Just tax the rich a "little more"? For what? The govt. spends any percentage that you tax them even faster than they can write the check.

Come on man...wake up and see that you're being hoodwinked by a giant govt. that is so bloated with bureaucracy that it it unsustainable.

GrantMercury · 08-30-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Just gonna leave this here and see what happens...

The top 400 put in extra overtime, I guess. Time and 1/2 adds up.

Robbie · 08-30-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

See... something happened!

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Yeah, but what is the answer? Is taxing people more gonna help the economy restart? Is it going to slow down the spending that the govt. is doing? Is it gonna stop military spending that is out of control? Is it gonna stop corruption in Washington?

If not...then why are you wanting to tax ANYBODY more money? What is the end game to that? It's not going to help you or I. Its' only gonna go in the pockets of politicians, bureaucrats, and military.

08-28-2012, 11:42 PM	#104
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08-29-2012, 10:13 AM	#112
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BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Just gonna leave this here and see what happens...