Indeed plenty of confusion in this thread.

And you are absolutely right that the law trumps the AUP. And if one were to violate an AUP but remain within the bounds of the law, the only recourse for the service provider would be to terminate them. They have no legal basis to pursue anything further. At least not that I am aware of.

Or better look at Oron :1orglaugh

So basically you want to have unrestricted access to 3rd parties private information while being completely unregulated?

So nothing to stop you from say, collecting and selling personal information from registered up loaders.

Nothing to stop you from deleting/adding/modifying the database records at your own leisure and will?

Sounds very unreasonable if you ask me.

I could offer read only access, but then that probably wouldn't be good enough for you.

And who are you? Why should we hand over the information to do? What will you do with it?

You've been repeatedly asked to show us who those legitimate users of fileshoppe exactly are. Just point us to either companies or individuals who are using fileshoppe for legitimate purposes, show us their websites, and describe what they sell.

So far we've only seen one page in Chinese which didn't help much because none of us speaks Chinese.

So they're your competition?

Not all of them were terminated, far from it unfortunately. This trench war on piracy will drag on for awhile. Even with Paypal it's not all over yet - although the amount of the illegal file lockers accepting Paypal for payments decreased by 90-95% in the recent couple of months, there's still quite a few of them that need to be taken care of in regard to their Paypal accounts. Not to mention other billing companies.

Some recent terminations that happened this week:

http://www.filenuke.com/
http://www.rockdizfile.com/
http://www.rapidfileshare.net/
http://www.filespipo.com/
http://www.doneshare.com/
http://www.sharelike.us/

http://www.filerose.com/ (again)
http://www.filefaster.com/ (again)

I have already done so.

Here are a few I am aware of.

http://hosthongkong.net - Hosting services. They still accept Paypal so not much of a problem.

http://vectorious.net - They sell vector graphics. They are now no longer able to sell one-off vectors and now can only sell subscriptions.

http://Kaltura.com - Some kind of video application system that has been working with Carrot to accept one-off payments on streaming videos.

http://carrot.org - Payment gateway, now no longer able to accept funding through Paypal.

https://apps.facebook.com/carrotbid/ - Like an online game type auction. You can bid on items and the lowest unique bid wins. All proceeds are for charity.

All hosting is a form of competition since they overlap in services. If we are talking about weather or not they offer the services we provide, no they are not since no one offers the service we provide.

No you didn't. I was asking about fileshoppe, not carrotpay.

I guess none :)

That's what I suspected :)

Well if that will be of any consolation to you, carrotpay is not the only payment provider that has been terminated by Paypal this week for processing payments for file hosts who like fileshoppe have none in the way of legitimate users base. AK will make an announcement later.

I think you misunderstood. But that's fine I'm happy to clear this up for you.

Since most of our SELLING users were with us before Paypal was offered by CarrotPay, those buyers are still topping up through 99Bill and Bank Transfer. And any existing funds that were previously topped up when Paypal was accepted is still around.

So in terms of users who are no longer able to sell, I don't know of any specifically. Weather or not there are affected users because of the Paypal development, we shall see. But so far it's business as usual.

The problem we see is that currently we are essentially limited to HK and China.

Do you still offer child pornography at your sites as SFL does on theirs?

That's what I suspected :P you sick person. Wouldn't it be awful if people knew the truth?

My understanding was that you do not have legitimate users at fileshoppe. If I misunderstood and you in fact do have legit users at fileshoppe, show us who they are.

FShoppe, must give credit to you, for having the courage to write in this thread while most or all of others on "your side" did not. You can start a savefilelockers.com site + campaign to question and appeal what stopfilelockers it is doing.

I'm glad you're making sense now. That list is a Goldmine. A lot of lawyers would pay big money for it.

I really dont think our database has much useful information.

We would be happy to make available our complete list of files uploaded and their respective urls. Over 99% of files uploaded are logged onto the database.

But our user details are confidential. And I think that is reasonable.

FileShoppe, why are you complaining about Stop File Lockers if it has had no impact on you ?

http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/l...J2EE.part1.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/Q...J2EE.part2.rar
http://mercury.fileshoppe.net/file/0...J2EE.part3.rar

Hundreds of dollars worth of commercial training packages for just 25 cents a file. I bet the rights holders love this.

You don't store email addresses and payment details?

If your site comes crashing down, it's a way to make money. Nothing lasts forever.

Sorry, add money is tempoarily unavailable.

It looks like you can't take money.

And you know this is copyright how? How are we supposed to know it is copyright? Take your word for it?

We store E-Mail addresses and merchant IDs.

And why would it come crashing down? We are still waiting for it to go up :)

And why would that be? Because Paypal top up is no longer available? We can still take payment via the micro payment system and our users in China can still top up through 99Bill.

Because you are a liar? I don't care about file lockers, particularly ones that make their money through subscriptions service giving access to copyright material.

We arn't going to start a campaign to support illegal file sharing. That being said, I wonder how many innocent websites and other hosts have been affected by this campaign. Clearly you have no regard for them. And why should you care about all the collateral damage? It doesn't affect you right?

Perhaps I am here to fight for the little guy? Perhaps I'm speaking up for those without a voice? Who have no say? You fight for the big and rich right? So maybe the small and poor need some representation too?

Just a thought.

I think FShoppe has adequately shown his unwillingness to play ball.

How so? Because we wont let you tamper with our database? If you want to view our files, that's fine with us.

But what about all the illegal child porn hosted on your site? Links provided earlier, conveniently ignored!

We just posted links to commercial training material hosted by you.

We have a rule regarding unfounded allegations of the nature you have engaged in to detract from your own criminality I suggest you read them or you'll face a ban.

If it is copyrighted, it will be removed. But as I said, you can't just send us links without an explanation. Some things are obvious like TV shows and movies. This is not obvious.

That's funny. It doesn't stop you from making baseless allegations. You post a bunch of inactive links, many of which can be easily modified to manipulate the file name to show whatever you like in order to support your claims?

I provided a link to your site offering downloads of child pornography. You have refused to address it. My claims are no less unfounded than yours.

Proof or ban.

You've posted a site search string, not proof of a terrible accusation you should be banned.

he's just making a ridiculous point out of frustration- don't ban

The point I am trying to make is that what appears on your page, on YOUR website can be directly manipulated by what is entered in the URL.

If you want to claim we are hosting certain material, and use the file name as evidence, you need only to do the same thing. You made a big point earlier over how we make money over pirated material. Where is your proof of that? Should you too be banned?

You made a point that you saw the file name and therefore was evidence enough condoning sharing copyright material. But as I have already demonstrated earlier, you can make the file name appear to be almost anything you want to suite your needs. It doesn't mean the file is, or has ever been hosted.

And you have failed to address the point where you directly benefit from copyright infringer as you accept monetary support on your own site as a result of other people's actions.

You live in a bit of a fantasy world my friend. You have no evidence to show we host masses of copyright material. You boast you can find thousands of active links. I doubt you can find thousands, much less ACTIVE ones.

We don't make money from sharing files. You say we do. Prove it.

We don't promote/reward sharing files. You say we do. Prove it!

The only evidence you have provided were inactive dead links. But you think we should do more to make it obvious a file cannot be downloaded? What is more obvious than NOT BEING ABLE TO DOWNLOAD THE FILE?

You say we are able to monetize the inactive download links. We can't! So prove that we do if you can.

You know jack-all. You have no idea how many users we have, how many files are stored, how many downloads we get, or how much money we turn over. You like to lie and say you know a lot, and so on and so forth, but the reality is, you know jack all. And I, my friend, am just a guy who has far too much time on his hands, and am here to help set the record straight.

You should be banned for all your baseless accusations. For posting links that show that I have been telling the truth all along but claiming it supports your ridiculous BS. You should be sued by your donors for promising to take action to take down copyright material, when all you really do is just make noise and achieve nothing but hurt innocent businesses.

Despite my many appeals for those opposed to piracy to REPORT piracy, NO ONE has actually done anything to get those resolved. We, on the other hand have actively removed content we know is infringing. That's more, I suspect, than you've ever managed to take down! So perhaps you should tell all your supporters you're a lieing theiveing no good pirate piggy backer making money from donations while doing NOTHING to resolve the issue!

Someone went to the Markham school of WALL OF TEXT.

What is the URL?

DWB - If you were downloading now, I would be able to find that download. Me thinks this yet another desperate fib to make me look bad.

Nice edit. So I take it you're NOT downloading photoshop now? At least, not from FileShoppe. Thanks for hiding your shame.

Why should this guy give you or anyone any information or access about his users if you aren't a recognized authority...I'm still unsure of your angle in all of this, but perhaps you are trying to achieve some sort of authoritative status somehow by doing what you are doing, but until that point no one should be giving you or anyone that isn't a recognized authority anything, and you shouldn't even ask for it.

Anyone can make up a cause and set up a whole situation that makes them look official and then get sensitive data as a result. It's called social engineering and if it happened to a company that represented you and they gave out your information, you would not be very happy regardless of the supposed illegitimacy.

You put whoever you suspect on blast wanting them to violate privacy just to please your cause. One example was Paxum. You suspected them of funding or supporting piracy or whatever, and they actually ended up revealing some info about someone. Even still you put them on blast about "supporting" piracy you still seem to use them, just as many other people in this thread probably do.

Does that mean you are/were also supporting piracy because some of your money goes to them?

By this guy Fshoppe denying you access to all his things, you are implying it makes him seem more guilty when half your answers are that you "don't discuss operational matters". Why should he break whatever privacy terms he has in place when you won't break any of your private matters.

By this guy feeding into this thread actually makes it seem like you guys are an authority and is actually strengthening your credibility. What a fool this guy is and makes me wonder why he is even talking in this thread.

Download it and find out.

So could be anice pay off there.

You seem to be moaninf a lot, so having options are good.

That was the message I saw.

To accept uploaded content and be protected by DMCA. You can't check the content.

To comply to payment processors contracts, you must not do certain things. Like sell access to cp, illegal content and pirated content.

AK when he's got Paypal making sure they are on top of this. Will move onto other processors. Now I appreciate that will cost you your business. Don't expect sympathy from anyone here.

Some of your replies are very similar to a long term poster and anti fighting piracy person here.

AK any idea who he is or if you can find out?

Clearly I have way too much time on my hands. But thank you for your views on privacy.

Fuck... That should be really simple. Even a retard can figure that out. One pages says "nothing found, sorry", and the other one says "filename:___ filetype: free / try premium free". Which one will lead people to believe that material is actually available, although maybe not immediatly but after a couple of extra steps?

Do you really see no difference? I'm just wondering. I know that pirates have twisted mentality, but to deny things that are beyong obvious is not that common even for pirates.

http://i.imgur.com/zb4eX.png
http://i.imgur.com/9wPSp.png

Yes sounding like someone else even more.

First, it is unreasonable for us to download EVERY file to examine. We are happy to look at file names and or web pages that promote it as a particular type of download.

For example, if a file gets uploaded called "House Episode 1.avi", we will delete it!

If another file is called "HE1.rar" we won't delete it. But if someone says, "This file is being offered here, it is infringing THIS particular copyright etc etc." Then we will remove it.

But it is more complicated when the infringement is not obvious. From what I can see, the files in question relate to Java tutorials. I cannot see any 'author' information so if someone says "it's copyright", I'm afraid that doesn't cut the cheese.

We need to be able to verify a claim. Who's copyright does it infringe? How do you know? Where is this file being shared. Just some links means nothing without context. Some links HAVE context and we can act. But without context, what do you expect?

Never going to be a problem since we will never get Paypal :-).

What would you like to know? We're not hiding anything.

Hello Nautilus. I believe you have misunderstood the point that was trying to be made.

In the screenshot of SFL, you can indeed see the text is displayed on their page. Now that was done, obviously, through manipulation of the search string in the URL.

You can do almost exactly the same thing on FileShoppe. Meaning if you want it to show the file name as Stargate, you can. But you can also make it say Nautilus, or whatever else you please. Does it mean we hosted a file called Nautilus......avi? Absolutely not.

Not to mention, 'screenshots' can be modified easily enough. If I wanted to manufacture evidence that SFL was indeed hosting or linking to copyright material, I could quite easily edit a screenshot and post for you all.

Moving on.

So we do not have giant 'SORRY, NOT FOUND' text on the page. So what? The files CANNOT be downloaded and no sales can be made at all. So the only person who may think they can actually download the file there, is someone who's not actually looking to download it. If they were looking to download it, then they wouldn't be able to. And as mentioned before, we do not benefit from any sales since there is no way to send us money on this page.

And you continuously referring to us as pirates is no different than me referring to you and AK as child pornographers.

So you have an uploader who's supposedly the "author" of that copyrighted work, and you cannot simply ask him where did he get that file? I simple thought of doing your diligence to check who your clients/partners are seemingly never crossed your mind.

That file did not appear in your system out of the blue. You have an uploader. Check him to see if he has any business uploading that file. Check what his other uploads are, where his traffic is coming from etc. Ask a few questions. If he can prove he creates tutorials for a living and sells them legitimately through your service, it's all fine, false alarm. If his other uploads are photoshop and brazzers' latest update, and his traffic is coming from pornbb or warezbb, ban him. Isnt that simple? You do not need to check every single uploaded file. But you need to check who your partners are - better proactively, but at least after you received an infringement report, be it even from a third party and not from a copyright holder directly. Investigate your uploaders first and foremost, not the individual files.

These files were uploaded anonymously in November 2011 and have never been downloaded. The only information we have regarding the uploader's identity is that of their MerchantID which is unique.

We already have a policy of, if you share/sell copyright material, your account will be terminated and files deleted.

We do not guarantee storage of 9 months so actually we can delete these even if they don't break copyright since they have never been downloaded.

Many files are uploaded and if they don't seem suspicious, we just leave them. If you sent us an E-Mail and said X Y and Z are copyright without any further details, why should we waist our time investigating. If the complainant cannot be bothered to make a proper request, why should we bother to investigate. Otherwise, we could end up having bots that file take down requests for legit files and it would consume our valuable time.

How is asking for a little more information unreasonable?

In any case, those files have now been removed for long inactivity.

There's no difference only if you're a retard. Because for anyone with half a brain the difference is glaringly obvious - we did find real infringements at your site, while you have zero proof to back up your claim.

Because if you don't you'll waste much more time arguing at GFY how unfair it is that your service was terminated.

It is unfair to say they are on our site. On our servers? Sure. But to call us pirates because copyright material has existed on our server is a bit much.

Are the guys at media fire pirates? I would bet that they have more copyright material than us by a factor of a million!

Content is user generated. Just as this forum is. The owners of this website is not responsible for it's users comments. Likewise, it is unreasonable to expect they monitor every single post. They must be informed of any breach of their own rules.

We WILL remove content from our servers if it breaks our TOS. We are not pirates. We have been more than compliant. We have been proactive. Which is more than I can say for AK and your good self.

I'm calling you a pirate mostly because you share the same twisted mentality with them.

Oh so then I CAN call you a child pornographer? Because you have the same mentality as they do. Great!

do something about it then? Email paypal about his abuse of their AUP. maybe they'll cancel his account.
stop spamming here.

You just provided a prime example of what all pirates share in common - making retarded claims with zero proof.

For the record, MediaFire is an infringing site and we're going after them too. The same applies to RapidShare. Neither are legitimate businesses and the business model is based upon the theft of content from others. Our goal is to deprive them of funds and cause them to shut down.

However this isn't about them, it's about you and the fact that you are a pirate.

It seems your "user generated content" is so well managed that you have sorted it by category, genre and long descriptive file names. It also seems your "users" have created folders in directories on your servers to house this categorised material.

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...ctories-12.jpg

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...ctories-24.jpg

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...ctories-31.jpg

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...ctories-42.jpg

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...ctories-52.jpg

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...ctories-61.jpg


A nice archive of literally thousands upon thousands of instances of piracy, examples:

Essential Buddhism

http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Budd.../dp/0671041886

Book $11.95 on Amazon, Illegal download from FileShoppe is 73 cents.

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...gements-11.jpg


Basic Neurochemistry, 8th Edition

http://store.elsevier.com/Basic-Neur...9780123749475/

Book $147.95 from Specialist Book Stores, Illegal download from FileShoppe is $1.99

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...gements-21.jpg

Everything in the archive is infringing, none of it is original works uploaded by the rights holder.

You're engaged in wide ranging, commercial piracy on a mammoth scale. Ripping off publishers, music studios, movie studios, adult content producers, game studios and anyone else whose content you can illegally monetize.

Thousands and thousands of infringing files, all categorised and archived on your servers in directories made by you.

When we say you are hosting and profiting from thousands of infringing files we mean that you're a pirate and you can come here and bleat about how clean you are but you're no different from every other common parasite who complains that we're hurting their legitimate business model.

Gantlet thrown down! Nice post AK