Suggestion: Read Steve Jobs' Biography - GoFuckYourself.com

Donny · 06-20-2012, 10:01 AM

It rocks:

http://www.amazon.com/Steve-Jobs-Wal.../dp/1451648537

Great read!

CaptainHowdy · 06-20-2012, 10:06 AM

Bitter and greedy, GFY'er material that's for sure.

Donny · 06-20-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Bitter and greedy, GFY'er material that's for sure.

I really don't think the word "greedy" would describe him.

Chosen · 06-20-2012, 10:42 AM

Don't have time for that...

seeric · 06-20-2012, 10:56 AM

I read it. Great insight into the Apple empire. There are some great business takeaways if you're a real businessman, and not just pretending to be one on GFY.

xNetworx · 06-20-2012, 10:58 AM

Yanks_Todd · 06-20-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Donny

I really don't think the word "greedy" would describe him.

I agree, he was something else entirely, "greedy" is to simple

Donny · 06-20-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chosen

Don't have time for that...

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Originally Posted by seeric

I read it. Great insight into the Apple empire. There are some great business takeaways if you're a real businessman, and not just pretending to be one on GFY.

Seeric said it. Sorry you fit into the latter half of his sentence, Chosen. In actuality, you don't have time NOT to read it. No matter, go watch TV in your downtime.

The book is inspiring for SO many reasons and in SO many ways.

Donny · 06-20-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

I agree, he was something else entirely, "greedy" is to simple

Yes, far too simplistic. He wasn't really greedy, as he didn't care much about money. He was an incredibly driven man who didn't let pretense or being politically correct hold him back.

2MuchMark · 06-20-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny

It rocks:

http://www.amazon.com/Steve-Jobs-Wal.../dp/1451648537

Great read!

Thanks for the recommendation. A few people now have told me to pick it up so I think now I will.

Roald · 06-20-2012, 01:14 PM

Need to finish it, hardly ever have time to read.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-20-2012, 01:19 PM

I enjoy biographies, even though they are generally self-aggrandizing, and so I picked up Jobs' bio to read, but my wife already nabbed it, so I won't be able to read it until she's through...

ADG

GetSCORECash · 06-20-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Need to finish it, hardly ever have time to read.

Get the audio book.

mikesouth · 06-20-2012, 01:20 PM

For all the accolades Jobs gets the fact that he stole the original ideas for the MAC from Xerox are undeniable. I was, working with (not for) Xerox on that very project (letter sized screen, WYSIWYG, mouse etc) Jobs saw it on a Xerox visit and the idea for the MAC was born, and Xerox never really got a product to market.

Roald · 06-20-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GetSCORECash

Get the audio book.

Is it in the android market yet?

;))))

Roald · 06-20-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

For all the accolades Jobs gets the fact that he stole the original ideas for the MAC from Xerox are undeniable. I was, working with (not for) Xerox on that very project (letter sized screen, WYSIWYG, mouse etc) Jobs saw it on a Xerox visit and the idea for the MAC was born, and Xerox never really got a product to market.

Yes, and?

TheSquealer · 06-20-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Yes, and?

You don't read his narcissistic blog about himself and how awesome he is? He's awesome in every way. He knows how Apple began because he was there and knows the details. Shouldn't shock anyone. He also knows how the earth was created because God gave him a private invite and asked him for his advice. Mike South is the only mortal that can beat Chuck Norris.

RandyD · 06-20-2012, 04:39 PM

Jobs was an overrated fag - wouldn't wipe my ass on his dickwad book.

jimmy-3-way · 06-20-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyD

Jobs was an overrated fag - wouldn't wipe my ass on his dickwad book.

Technically it's Walter Isaacson's book.

Also Jobs was straight.

And you can't really wipe your ass with a book, you could tear the pages out but they are less than suitable.

...But if you were to wipe your ass with it, I think it would be more appropriately called 'bumwad' rather than 'dickwad', if I have my TP slang in order.

Beyond that, excellent post, very factual, thanks for contributing to the discussion.

mikesouth · 06-20-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You don't read his narcissistic blog about himself and how awesome he is? He's awesome in every way. He knows how Apple began because he was there and knows the details. Shouldn't shock anyone. He also knows how the earth was created because God gave him a private invite and asked him for his advice. Mike South is the only mortal that can beat Chuck Norris.

LOL not even I can beat Chuck Norris

God didn't ask me for advice but lately I been feeling like I was there...ie OLD

jimmycooper · 06-20-2012, 06:00 PM

I think I may be ready to read it now. Seems like it came out too soon after he died.
Even though I had never met him or anything, I had been a fan of his for years and thought it would be just be too depressing to read it the time.

tony286 · 06-20-2012, 06:06 PM

I read it, he seemed very driven, very smart and very broken. He fucked Woz over multiple times and if it wasnt for Woz there would be no apple. That man was really the father of the modern PC.

Joshua G · 06-20-2012, 06:12 PM

ironic when a black man uses a mac, given the machine was made by slaves. & when jews drive a volkswagen, that makes me LOL.

Shotsie · 06-20-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyD

Jobs was an overrated fag - wouldn't wipe my ass on his dickwad book.

Agreed. I posted this in another thread, but it's worth repeating:

I fucking hate the postmortem worship of this monomaniac who was revered because he was obsessed with work, and loved scornfully busting other people?s balls if they weren?t obsessively working for him. People are always posting that stupid fucking Stanford address, they worship this guy like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ. The fact that this type of malformed quasi-human is a ?hero? is why there is no way to have any kind of life in this country without being dedicated to work to the detriment of everything else. We worship people who worship work and money. We scoff at people who don?t want to work hard. Which is to say, every person with a fucking soul.

They made a big dfucking deal about Jobs? last words being ?wow... oh wow? as though he were fully comprehending the infinite universes contained in a single flower petal. But I bet he was remembering some fucking regression formula he had browbeaten some underling into coming up with that successfully calculated the bare minimum you could pay some faceless Shanghai serf to bend a lead wire ten thousand times per day before they threaten to jump off a building. I bet he was calculating the compound interest on that bonus he fucked Wozniak out of forty years back and becoming one with the dazzling power of exponential growth. I bet he was remembering how he?d fucked over some corporate rival and gotten them to fold ? like, he?d heard the news that Adobe Flash Player was finally tanking. Whatever it was, you can one hundered per cent god damn guarantee that whatever Jobs was oh wow-ing about as the cancer of his soul finally became corporeal was some monomaniacal thing having to do with work, money and ambition.

By the way, if you told me on my deathbed that my children and grandchildren would never have to restart their browser again because adobe flashplayer had another update like they do every five fucking minutes, my final words would probably also be, "wow... oh wow."

J. Falcon · 06-20-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

Technically it's Walter Isaacson's book.

Also Jobs was straight.

And you can't really wipe your ass with a book, you could tear the pages out but they are less than suitable.

...But if you were to wipe your ass with it, I think it would be more appropriately called 'bumwad' rather than 'dickwad', if I have my TP slang in order.

Beyond that, excellent post, very factual, thanks for contributing to the discussion.

That was a pretty good own

seeric · 06-20-2012, 08:24 PM

every jewish person I know drives Mercedes or BMW. both German cars. cars aren't racist, they're inanimate objects. if I was jewish, I wouldn't sacrifice the quality of the driving experience because said vehicle was designed by a maker in a country where a clown like hitler ruled. hitler isn't a representation of the german people. anyone who knows the history knows this. hitler gave germany a bad name.

my point is, Mac is a superior product, for my own preference. i don't care if the most reprehensible person on earth designed it. It's a superior product and I'll use them until a more superior one comes along, and then jump ship like the unloyal consumer I am.

best or bust, is my motto.

Lol.

jimmycooper · 06-20-2012, 09:18 PM

His return to Apple reminds me of The Count of Monte Cristo.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=j8zVglXFO7A

One thing I really admired about him was how he would still occasionally answer random emails. Here's a memorable exchange.

http://gawker.com/5641211/

"A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." is probably my favorite quote.

bronco67 · 06-20-2012, 09:36 PM

What page does her get cancer?

Simon · 06-21-2012, 04:38 AM

smutnut · 06-21-2012, 04:46 AM

I read it. I liked John Gotti's better except for the ending, but actually they both pretty much ended the same.

raymor · 06-21-2012, 05:13 AM

I don't use Mac products because I prefer to own the stuff I buy, meaning I can do what I want with it. I would be a fool of businessman if I failed to learn from Jobs, though. Of course he was enormously successful, more than once, so missing the busuness lessons because I don't care for their model would be awefully silly.

As Shotsie said, I don't want to ever be obsessed with work the way Jobs was. I'd miss out on much more important things. I think I'll still read (or listen to) the book. If nothing else, it will remind me to not worry about making the business skyrocket because that's not going to happen, not without giving up things I'm not willing to give up.

Thomas007 · 06-21-2012, 05:15 AM

I enjoyed reading that book. I both gave it as a christmas present, and a family member gave it to me.

tony286 · 06-21-2012, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by seeric

every jewish person I know drives Mercedes or BMW. both German cars. cars aren't racist, they're inanimate objects. if I was jewish, I wouldn't sacrifice the quality of the driving experience because said vehicle was designed by a maker in a country where a clown like hitler ruled. hitler isn't a representation of the german people. anyone who knows the history knows this. hitler gave germany a bad name.

my point is, Mac is a superior product, for my own preference. i don't care if the most reprehensible person on earth designed it. It's a superior product and I'll use them until a more superior one comes along, and then jump ship like the unloyal consumer I am.

best or bust, is my motto.

Lol.

Years ago i had a jewish boss. He bought jags,he said because he would never own a nazi mercedes benz.
Also far apple being superior products apple makes them good enough and expensive. I got acers from 2 to 5 yrs old,they work perfectly and cost a quarter what a 15 and a 17 inch mac would cost. I had a macbook and macbook pro, they did have amazing screens but ran hot. No excuse in a laptop that isnt cheap to run hot. Asus is getting very close on the screen quality.

tony286 · 06-21-2012, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Shotsie

Agreed. I posted this in another thread, but it's worth repeating:

I fucking hate the postmortem worship of this monomaniac who was revered because he was obsessed with work, and loved scornfully busting other people?s balls if they weren?t obsessively working for him. People are always posting that stupid fucking Stanford address, they worship this guy like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ. The fact that this type of malformed quasi-human is a ?hero? is why there is no way to have any kind of life in this country without being dedicated to work to the detriment of everything else. We worship people who worship work and money. We scoff at people who don?t want to work hard. Which is to say, every person with a fucking soul.

They made a big dfucking deal about Jobs? last words being ?wow... oh wow? as though he were fully comprehending the infinite universes contained in a single flower petal. But I bet he was remembering some fucking regression formula he had browbeaten some underling into coming up with that successfully calculated the bare minimum you could pay some faceless Shanghai serf to bend a lead wire ten thousand times per day before they threaten to jump off a building. I bet he was calculating the compound interest on that bonus he fucked Wozniak out of forty years back and becoming one with the dazzling power of exponential growth. I bet he was remembering how he?d fucked over some corporate rival and gotten them to fold ? like, he?d heard the news that Adobe Flash Player was finally tanking. Whatever it was, you can one hundered per cent god damn guarantee that whatever Jobs was oh wow-ing about as the cancer of his soul finally became corporeal was some monomaniacal thing having to do with work, money and ambition.

By the way, if you told me on my deathbed that my children and grandchildren would never have to restart their browser again because adobe flashplayer had another update like they do every five fucking minutes, my final words would probably also be, "wow... oh wow."

Well said

jimmycooper · 06-21-2012, 05:29 AM

Well then that's that.

British Auto Engineering > German Auto Engineering
Acer > Apple

</thread>

tony286 · 06-21-2012, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper

Well then that's that.

British Auto Engineering > German Auto Engineering
Acer > Apple

</thread>

Actually I worked for jag and rolls royce and for mercedes benz as a service advisor.the british make beautiful cars that mechanically arent worth a shit. lol

just a punk · 06-21-2012, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Bitter and greedy, GFY'er material that's for sure.

Quoted for truth. I'd also add a word "pirate". He has believed it was ok to sell blue boxes and steal XEROX techs, but he was always against of whose who tried to share the Apple software. A typical mentality of EVERY thief.

just a punk · 06-21-2012, 06:11 AM

Xerox Star Desktop:

Do you know the name of its author?

First WYSIWYG BTW:

Yes it's Xerox again.

Life is a bitch. The real genius always sink into oblivion, upstart thieves rule the World (

Joshua G · 06-21-2012, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by seeric

every jewish person I know drives Mercedes or BMW. both German cars. cars aren't racist, they're inanimate objects. if I was jewish, I wouldn't sacrifice the quality of the driving experience because said vehicle was designed by a maker in a country where a clown like hitler ruled. hitler isn't a representation of the german people. anyone who knows the history knows this. hitler gave germany a bad name.

my not-so-well-articulated point is that consumers seem to not care about who or how their products get made.

Jews buy german product, obviously forgiving of cattle cars, starvation, naked lineups in freezing cold, experiments on twins, the lucky jews got gassed or shot fast.

Today americans are allegedly repulsed by slavery but are AOK that some of the things we buy are made by slaves. Who cares that the retina display was assembled by slaves, it looks so good. But the only winner in this game is Steve Jobs & apple stockholders, who are a lot richer because of the cost savings of chinese children vs americans & their burdensome workplace regulations.

this is why the american worker is dead. american consumers dont give a fuck. & neither do american CEOS like steve jobs.

tony286 · 06-21-2012, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Xerox Star Desktop:

Do you know the name of its author?

First WYSIWYG BTW:

Yes it's Xerox again.

Life is a bitch. The real genius always sink into oblivion, upstart thieves rule the World (

Yep, I found it funny when he accused android of stealing. lol

jimmycooper · 06-21-2012, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls

my not-so-well-articulated point is that consumers seem to not care about who or how their products get made.

Jews buy german product, obviously forgiving of cattle cars, starvation, naked lineups in freezing cold, experiments on twins, the lucky jews got gassed or shot fast.

Today americans are allegedly repulsed by slavery but are AOK that some of the things we buy are made by slaves. Who cares that the retina display was assembled by slaves, it looks so good. But the only winner in this game is Steve Jobs & apple stockholders, who are a lot richer because of the cost savings of chinese children vs americans & their burdensome workplace regulations.

this is why the american worker is dead. american consumers dont give a fuck. & neither do american CEOS like steve jobs.

Relative to local wages, how much money are these retina display assembling slaves pulling in these days?

Joshua G · 06-21-2012, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper

Relative to local wages, how much money are these retina display assembling slaves pulling in these days?

good stuff found here

highlights:

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The facility has 230,000 employees, many working six days a week, often spending up to 12 hours a day at the plant. Over a quarter of Foxconn?s work force lives in company barracks and many workers earn less than $17 a day.

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In mid-2007, after a month of experimentation, Apple?s engineers finally perfected a method for cutting strengthened glass so it could be used in the iPhone?s screen. The first truckloads of cut glass arrived at Foxconn City in the dead of night, according to the former Apple executive. That?s when managers woke thousands of workers, who crawled into their uniforms ? white and black shirts for men, red for women ? and quickly lined up to assemble, by hand, the phones.

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A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company?s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day.

but hey, Steve jobs was a great man. who cares what happens half a world away to asian peasants. The important thing is apple made better margins.

Tijuana_Tom · 06-21-2012, 07:36 AM

What the fuck does the treatment of workers in CHINA have to do with Steve Jobs?

Steve Jobs has no control over that shit. I mean really?

Even if Steve Jobs went to China himself and said "NO!" they would have laughed at him and whipped the next underage worker that walked by.

That's interesting about Apple engineers tho.

seeric · 06-21-2012, 07:52 AM

exactly. i don't care where the superior products come from. they get to me and i pay the money for them. not complicated at all.

mopek1 · 06-21-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Shotsie

Agreed. I posted this in another thread, but it's worth repeating:

I fucking hate the postmortem worship of this monomaniac who was revered because he was obsessed with work, and loved scornfully busting other people?s balls if they weren?t obsessively working for him. People are always posting that stupid fucking Stanford address, they worship this guy like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ. The fact that this type of malformed quasi-human is a ?hero? is why there is no way to have any kind of life in this country without being dedicated to work to the detriment of everything else. We worship people who worship work and money. We scoff at people who don?t want to work hard. Which is to say, every person with a fucking soul.

They made a big dfucking deal about Jobs? last words being ?wow... oh wow? as though he were fully comprehending the infinite universes contained in a single flower petal. But I bet he was remembering some fucking regression formula he had browbeaten some underling into coming up with that successfully calculated the bare minimum you could pay some faceless Shanghai serf to bend a lead wire ten thousand times per day before they threaten to jump off a building. I bet he was calculating the compound interest on that bonus he fucked Wozniak out of forty years back and becoming one with the dazzling power of exponential growth. I bet he was remembering how he?d fucked over some corporate rival and gotten them to fold ? like, he?d heard the news that Adobe Flash Player was finally tanking. Whatever it was, you can one hundered per cent god damn guarantee that whatever Jobs was oh wow-ing about as the cancer of his soul finally became corporeal was some monomaniacal thing having to do with work, money and ambition.

By the way, if you told me on my deathbed that my children and grandchildren would never have to restart their browser again because adobe flashplayer had another update like they do every five fucking minutes, my final words would probably also be, "wow... oh wow."

I second this and it's nice to hear someone tell it like it is.

woj · 06-21-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls

good stuff found here

highlights:

but hey, Steve jobs was a great man. who cares what happens half a world away to asian peasants. The important thing is apple made better margins.

You think there is something wrong with the fact that apple provided employment for 1000s of Chinese, who otherwise would farm in even worse conditions for fraction of what they make at those factories? Or which part exactly do you have a problem with?

smutnut · 06-21-2012, 10:31 AM

Jimmy Hoffa, another better biography!

Joshua G · 06-21-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

You think there is something wrong with the fact that apple provided employment for 1000s of Chinese, who otherwise would farm in even worse conditions for fraction of what they make at those factories? Or which part exactly do you have a problem with?

well, the part where, in the past, those imac jobs were in the USA? from the same article...

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In its early days, Apple usually didn?t look beyond its own backyard for manufacturing solutions. A few years after Apple began building the Macintosh in 1983, for instance, Mr. Jobs bragged that it was ?a machine that is made in America.? In 1990, while Mr. Jobs was running NeXT, which was eventually bought by Apple, the executive told a reporter that ?I?m as proud of the factory as I am of the computer.? As late as 2002, top Apple executives occasionally drove two hours northeast of their headquarters to visit the company?s iMac plant in Elk Grove, Calif.

Maybe the corporate decision that they make more money paying chinese 17 bucks a day. Jobs that once belonged to americans at a living wage, working in factories that dont have explosions & high suicide rates.

i guess my beef is with capitalism, or its immorality, when CEOS decide the bottom line is most important. better to send low skilled labor to where its cheapest, regardless of the pay & working conditions of the people at the bottom.

Like i said, consumers dont care, CEOs dont care.

2MuchMark · 06-21-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

For all the accolades Jobs gets the fact that he stole the original ideas for the MAC from Xerox are undeniable. I was, working with (not for) Xerox on that very project (letter sized screen, WYSIWYG, mouse etc) Jobs saw it on a Xerox visit and the idea for the MAC was born, and Xerox never really got a product to market.

Hi Mike,

It's no secret that the Mouse and GUI that Windows and OS/X are based on today were invented by Xerox, but its a myth that Jobs stole these ideas. Jobs and several Apple employees including Jef Raskin visited Xerox PARC in December 1979 to see the Xerox Alto. Xerox granted Apple engineers three days of access to the PARC facilities in return paid them $1M + the option to buy 100,000 shares of Apple at the pre-IPO price of $10 a share.

raymor · 06-21-2012, 11:12 AM

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many workers earn less than $17 a day.

and many earn more? Okay, let's do some comparison. The average salary for an engineer in China is $10 per day. Accountants, $7, and bakers $4. So the lower end factory worker assembing iphones makes as much as an engineer and an accountant put together. It sounds to me like China sucks, but it sucks a lot less if you can get hired to assemble iphones. As I mentioned before, I don't buy Apple because I don't like the way they treat their customers, but let's be fair in our critism - those employees are very grateful for the job.

The really bad thing is that some US leaders are using socialist / communist economies like Chona and Europe as examples of what they want the US to be like. The average income (PPP) in EU countries is $31,000. In the US, $48,000. How many times have you heard Obama indicate we should be more like Europe. Yeah, that's a great idea, let's all be $17,000 poorer.

06-20-2012, 10:01 AM	#1
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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	For all the accolades Jobs gets the fact that he stole the original ideas for the MAC from Xerox are undeniable. I was, working with (not for) Xerox on that very project (letter sized screen, WYSIWYG, mouse etc) Jobs saw it on a Xerox visit and the idea for the MAC was born, and Xerox never really got a product to market. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	I read it. Great insight into the Apple empire. There are some great business takeaways if you're a real businessman, and not just pretending to be one on GFY.

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jimmycooper Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manhattan Posts: 4,016	I think I may be ready to read it now. Seems like it came out too soon after he died. Even though I had never met him or anything, I had been a fan of his for years and thought it would be just be too depressing to read it the time. __________________

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I read it, he seemed very driven, very smart and very broken. He fucked Woz over multiple times and if it wasnt for Woz there would be no apple. That man was really the father of the modern PC.

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Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	ironic when a black man uses a mac, given the machine was made by slaves. & when jews drive a volkswagen, that makes me LOL.

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seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	every jewish person I know drives Mercedes or BMW. both German cars. cars aren't racist, they're inanimate objects. if I was jewish, I wouldn't sacrifice the quality of the driving experience because said vehicle was designed by a maker in a country where a clown like hitler ruled. hitler isn't a representation of the german people. anyone who knows the history knows this. hitler gave germany a bad name. my point is, Mac is a superior product, for my own preference. i don't care if the most reprehensible person on earth designed it. It's a superior product and I'll use them until a more superior one comes along, and then jump ship like the unloyal consumer I am. best or bust, is my motto. Lol. Last edited by seeric; 06-20-2012 at 08:28 PM..

06-20-2012, 09:18 PM	#27
jimmycooper Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manhattan Posts: 4,016	His return to Apple reminds me of The Count of Monte Cristo. https://youtube.com/watch?v=j8zVglXFO7A One thing I really admired about him was how he would still occasionally answer random emails. Here's a memorable exchange. http://gawker.com/5641211/ "A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." is probably my favorite quote. __________________

06-20-2012, 09:36 PM	#28
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	What page does her get cancer? __________________

06-21-2012, 04:38 AM	#29
Simon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Florida's Kinky Keys Posts: 189	Autobiography could be called... __________________ See most arguments on GFY explained in about 5 seconds email: simon <at> IndustryInc dot com \| icq: 269~043~019 "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story."

06-21-2012, 04:46 AM	#30
smutnut So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,889	I read it. I liked John Gotti's better except for the ending, but actually they both pretty much ended the same.

06-21-2012, 05:13 AM	#31
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	I don't use Mac products because I prefer to own the stuff I buy, meaning I can do what I want with it. I would be a fool of businessman if I failed to learn from Jobs, though. Of course he was enormously successful, more than once, so missing the busuness lessons because I don't care for their model would be awefully silly. As Shotsie said, I don't want to ever be obsessed with work the way Jobs was. I'd miss out on much more important things. I think I'll still read (or listen to) the book. If nothing else, it will remind me to not worry about making the business skyrocket because that's not going to happen, not without giving up things I'm not willing to give up. __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

06-21-2012, 05:15 AM	#32
Thomas007 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: AdultReviews.com - Denmark - ICQ: 6565211 Posts: 920	I enjoyed reading that book. I both gave it as a christmas present, and a family member gave it to me. __________________ Get your paysite reviewed by Adult Reviews Get your paysite reviewed by Porn Reviews

06-21-2012, 05:29 AM	#35
jimmycooper Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manhattan Posts: 4,016	Well then that's that. British Auto Engineering > German Auto Engineering Acer > Apple </thread> __________________

06-21-2012, 06:11 AM	#38
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,386	Xerox Star Desktop: Do you know the name of its author? First WYSIWYG BTW: Yes it's Xerox again. Life is a bitch. The real genius always sink into oblivion, upstart thieves rule the World ( __________________ Obey the Cowgod

06-21-2012, 07:36 AM	#43
Tijuana_Tom So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: 90210 Posts: 668	What the fuck does the treatment of workers in CHINA have to do with Steve Jobs? Steve Jobs has no control over that shit. I mean really? Even if Steve Jobs went to China himself and said "NO!" they would have laughed at him and whipped the next underage worker that walked by. That's interesting about Apple engineers tho.

06-21-2012, 07:52 AM	#44
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	exactly. i don't care where the superior products come from. they get to me and i pay the money for them. not complicated at all.

06-21-2012, 10:31 AM	#47
smutnut So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,889	Jimmy Hoffa, another better biography!