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woj · 06-21-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls

well, the part where, in the past, those imac jobs were in the USA? from the same article...

Maybe the corporate decision that they make more money paying chinese 17 bucks a day. Jobs that once belonged to americans at a living wage, working in factories that dont have explosions & high suicide rates.

i guess my beef is with capitalism, or its immorality, when CEOS decide the bottom line is most important. better to send low skilled labor to where its cheapest, regardless of the pay & working conditions of the people at the bottom.

Like i said, consumers dont care, CEOs dont care.

but does it really make sense to pay someone $300+/day to do a job that can be done equally well [or better] for $17/day? it's common sense that $17/day is the way to go, you would have to be a complete idiot to pick the $300 option in this case...

the only plausible but flawed argument is that picking $17/day option hurts the US economy, but it doesn't... it causes less to be produced at a higher cost, actually hurting the US economy...

smutnut · 06-21-2012, 11:28 AM

It's on my list right after Alphonso Calpone's biography

Joshua G · 06-21-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

but does it really make sense to pay someone $300+/day to do a job that can be done equally well [or better] for $17/day? it's common sense that $17/day is the way to go, you would have to be a complete idiot to pick the $300 option in this case...

the only plausible but flawed argument is that picking $17/day option hurts the US economy, but it doesn't... it causes less to be produced at a higher cost, actually hurting the US economy...

yeah, it makes sense to pay less for the same result. i'm just considering that the people getting paid the pittance are working in 19th century conditions, things you would never want US workers going through. thats why theres a minimum wage law, workplace safety laws.

american workers should not be competing with this type of labor in a free market. our government should be slapping tariffs on products so that these discrepancies are priced out, & CEOs no longer see themselves getting richer having american innovations made by 19th century labor practices.

woj · 06-21-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls

yeah, it makes sense to pay less for the same result. i'm just considering that the people getting paid the pittance are working in 19th century conditions, things you would never want US workers going through. thats why theres a minimum wage law, workplace safety laws.

american workers should not be competing with this type of labor in a free market. our government should be slapping tariffs on products so that these discrepancies are priced out, & CEOs no longer see themselves getting richer having american innovations made by 19th century labor practices.

for them the conditions are probably pretty good, working in a factory likely beats plowing the fields manually 16 hours per day like most of the population does over there... as their economy progresses over there, so will the work conditions...

I don't see anything wrong with taking advantage of this... Chinese workers get to work in better conditions (as compared to farming), western companies get products produced cheaply, consumers throughout the world get products reasonably priced, and there is even some profit left over for the innovators/investors/CEOs/etc...

everyone involved wins from this...

smutnut · 06-21-2012, 06:33 PM

He was such a prince. Backstabbed his buddies and made you losers pay extra for shit you can get in windows for free. LOL

Donny · 06-21-2012, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

For all the accolades Jobs gets the fact that he stole the original ideas for the MAC from Xerox are undeniable. I was, working with (not for) Xerox on that very project (letter sized screen, WYSIWYG, mouse etc) Jobs saw it on a Xerox visit and the idea for the MAC was born, and Xerox never really got a product to market.

If you'd taken my advice and read this book first, you'd see that he openly admits this.

Donny · 06-21-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper

"A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." is probably my favorite quote.

Yes Indeed!

Donny · 06-21-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by smutnut

He was such a prince. Backstabbed his buddies and made you losers pay extra for shit you can get in windows for free. LOL

The ignorance is strong with this one.

Tijuana_Tom · 06-21-2012, 10:21 PM

Foxconn is pretty incredible working conditions... You should see where other less profitable companies have their employees working. You also can't believe everything you read on the internet. People have motives.

Why do people keep bringing up if he's a Nice guy or not?

That's not why people give him credit.

The things you are saying about working conditions in China are irrelevant and very complicated something Steve Jobs has very little control over.

He can NOT manufacture in the USA it is NOT POSSIBLE. If they could they would so China would stop stealing everything.

Steve Jobs is VERY honest about how he has come up with his ideas.

It's obvious the people who are criticizing Jobs really has no clue about him.

Most of the shit people criticize him for are their own assumptions. Steve Jobs has never said "I invented the GUI from an idea I had in a dream." lol.

Who did he backstab? Who worked with him and is not rich today? lol

Pay extra for shit in OSX???????
Apple's OS has ALWAYS come bundled with better free Software than Windows wtf kind of argument is that? Clueless.

Etc.

http://www.zurb.com/article/801/stev...uth-about-inno

Donny · 06-21-2012, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom

Foxconn is pretty incredible working conditions... You should see where other less profitable companies have their employees working. You also can't believe everything you read on the internet. People have motives.

Why do people keep bringing up if he's a Nice guy or not?

That's not why people give him credit.

The things you are saying about working conditions in China are irrelevant and very complicated something Steve Jobs has very little control over.

He can NOT manufacture in the USA it is NOT POSSIBLE. If they could they would so China would stop stealing everything.

Steve Jobs is VERY honest about how he has come up with his ideas.

It's obvious the people who are criticizing Jobs really has no clue about him.

Most of the shit people criticize him for are their own assumptions. Steve Jobs has never said "I invented the GUI from an idea I had in a dream." lol.

Who did he backstab? Who worked with him and is not rich today? lol

Pay extra for shit in OSX???????
Apple's OS has ALWAYS come bundled with better free Software than Windows wtf kind of argument is that? Clueless.

Etc.

http://www.zurb.com/article/801/stev...uth-about-inno

Booyah!

Tijuana_Tom · 06-21-2012, 10:24 PM

Creativity is defined as the tendency to generate or recognize ideas, alternatives, or possibilities that may be useful in solving problems.

idolbucks · 06-21-2012, 10:29 PM

"Steve Jobs died because he refused medical treatment for his cancer. Instead, he tried a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbal remedies and other treatments he found online, and even consulted a psychic"

According to Reddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearne...fused_medical/

Tijuana_Tom · 06-21-2012, 10:30 PM

You are going to say he screwed Steve Wozniak because you don't enough of the story.

But is Steve really a great guy? That deserves to be defended so strongly? http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-574...ds-kim-dotcom/

Colmike9 · 06-21-2012, 10:32 PM

I'd rather not read that, reading his emails when working for Apple was enough...

Tijuana_Tom · 06-21-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by idolbucks

"Steve Jobs died because he refused medical treatment for his cancer. Instead, he tried a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbal remedies and other treatments he found online, and even consulted a psychic"

According to Reddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearne...fused_medical/

Yes and? This is what A LOT of cancer patients are doing today. More ignorance on your part. People are very afraid of Chemotherapy.

Psychic? Who knows.

Really more irrelevant nonsense.

Donny · 06-21-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

He has believed it was ok to sell blue boxes

I don't believe he thought it was "okay". He did it because he could. When I was in the Navy, I did the same thing. All I had to do was purchase a Radio Shack auto dialer, remove one crystal and solder in another, and then program the dialer to replicate quarters being dropped into the phone. It was easy and profitable, but I never thought it was "okay". It just felt cool to get one over on AT&T. I'm pretty sure Jobs never thought his blue box was "okay".

Tijuana_Tom · 06-21-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

I'd rather not read that, reading his emails when working for Apple was enough...

He didn't write the book dipshit.

Colmike9 · 06-21-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tijuana_Tom

He didn't write the book dipshit.

No shit, but he was out of his mind in general and not worth knowing about.

btw, go fuck yourself

Tijuana_Tom · 06-21-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

No shit, but he was out of his mind in general and not worth knowing about.

btw, go fuck yourself

Moron

Donny · 06-21-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

No shit, but he was out of his mind in general and not worth knowing about.

btw, go fuck yourself

You are an idiot. Seriously. The book is full of invaluable lessons on a multitude of topics.

But you are right: idiots shouldn't read it. Head back to Burger King and flip some burgers. You don't deserve to read the contents of this book. Seriously, there is no shame in your flipping burgers for a living. I need someone to keep flipping mine for me, otherwise I'd get really hungry.

Colmike9 · 06-21-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny

You are an idiot. Seriously. The book is full of invaluable lessons on a multitude of topics.

But you are right: idiots shouldn't read it. Head back to Burger King and flip some burgers. You don't deserve to read the contents of this book.

Just saying that I don't fucking like the guy, damn. None of you dumb fucks would know what he really talked about because Apple would never hire any of you.

And I'm good, averaging $2000/day in sales and $60/hr for marketing is keeping me from working at BK..

Donny · 06-21-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

Just saying that I don't fucking like the guy, damn. None of you dumb fucks would know what he really talked about because Apple would never hire any of you.

And I'm good, averaging $2000/day in sales and $60/hr for marketing is keeping me from working at BK..

It's alright man, don't get all defensive on us. We still need burger flippers. How else can I keep this boyish figure? Damn.

Colmike9 · 06-21-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny

It's alright man, don't get all defensive on us. We still need burger flippers. How else can I keep this boyish figure? Damn.

I just want to say how messed up he was and constantly worried about keeping relationships strong and other random bs like that and never about the OS updates that we were developing, but I'm not allowed to say details.

Donny · 06-21-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

I just want to say how messed up he was and constantly worried about keeping relationships strong and other random bs like that and never about the OS updates that we were developing, but I'm not allowed to say details.

If you actually read the book you'd see that all of that is discussed. He's not made out to be a saint. In fact, the book shows him as quite the asshole to others. Read it.

Colmike9 · 06-21-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny

If you actually read the book you'd see that all of that is discussed. He's not made out to be a saint. In fact, the book shows him as quite the asshole to others. Read it.

If that's the case, then I might read it..

Donny · 06-21-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

If that's the case, then I might read it..

You should. It doesn't kiss his ass. It talks about how he was an asshole even after he knew he was dying, when common sense would say that he'd change his ways and be kind.

Shotsie · 06-21-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

I'd rather not read that, reading his emails when working for Apple was enough...

There's a whole website dedicated to Steve Jobs' email responses to customers, because apparently, enough people were so fucking amazed that a man of god-like stature like Steve Jobs would take the time to shit out a couple three word replies once or twice a year to mere mortal Apple customers - basically telling them to go fuck themselves - they had to compile them all and build a fucking website around it.

Here's a fucking gem of a correspondence right here:

Michael J. M. wrote:

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Hey Steve!
I have a question about upgrading to Lion that I haven’t seen addressed anywhere.
I know that if I have multiple Macs in my house with the same Apple ID I can purchase Lion once and upgrade all of them. But my wife and I have separate Apple IDs. Do we need to purchase Lion twice in order to install on both of our Macs?

\

Steve Jobs wrote:

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yes

Oh my god!!

just a punk · 06-22-2012, 04:26 AM

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this was taken at the grand opening of the 5th avenue apple store in new york city. a man in a wheelchair came up to steve jobs and asked for his autograph. jobs proceeded to tell him "no. sign it yourself" in an arrogant way. then when the man asked again jobs says "o, now lay on the guilt. start crying". finally the man told him that he had spent 25 hours on an airplane to get there and jobs caved. after signing he told the man to "go see the rest of the store". what the man had jobs sign was an original copy of a macworld issue with steve jobs on the cover debuting the original macintosh.

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06-21-2012, 11:28 AM	#52
smutnut So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,889	It's on my list right after Alphonso Calpone's biography

06-21-2012, 06:33 PM	#55
smutnut So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,889	He was such a prince. Backstabbed his buddies and made you losers pay extra for shit you can get in windows for free. LOL

06-21-2012, 10:21 PM	#59
Tijuana_Tom So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: 90210 Posts: 668	Foxconn is pretty incredible working conditions... You should see where other less profitable companies have their employees working. You also can't believe everything you read on the internet. People have motives. Why do people keep bringing up if he's a Nice guy or not? That's not why people give him credit. The things you are saying about working conditions in China are irrelevant and very complicated something Steve Jobs has very little control over. He can NOT manufacture in the USA it is NOT POSSIBLE. If they could they would so China would stop stealing everything. Steve Jobs is VERY honest about how he has come up with his ideas. It's obvious the people who are criticizing Jobs really has no clue about him. Most of the shit people criticize him for are their own assumptions. Steve Jobs has never said "I invented the GUI from an idea I had in a dream." lol. Who did he backstab? Who worked with him and is not rich today? lol Pay extra for shit in OSX??????? Apple's OS has ALWAYS come bundled with better free Software than Windows wtf kind of argument is that? Clueless. Etc. http://www.zurb.com/article/801/stev...uth-about-inno

06-21-2012, 10:24 PM	#61
Tijuana_Tom So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: 90210 Posts: 668	Creativity is defined as the tendency to generate or recognize ideas, alternatives, or possibilities that may be useful in solving problems.

06-21-2012, 10:30 PM	#63
Tijuana_Tom So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: 90210 Posts: 668	You are going to say he screwed Steve Wozniak because you don't enough of the story. But is Steve really a great guy? That deserves to be defended so strongly? http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-574...ds-kim-dotcom/