In the Past 4 Years Revenue Has Declined 80-90% - GoFuckYourself.com

Barefootsies · 06-16-2012, 06:35 AM

I had to do a double take when I read this remark from the latest XBIZ.

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Barnett said it's already hard enough for an adult entrepreneur to make a profit since in the past four years revenue has declined industrywide by 80-90 percent, partly because of the popularity of tube sites operated abroad. Barnett said his own business has shrunk by 50 percent during the past four years.

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I am not sure where he came up with that number, but....

MaDalton · 06-16-2012, 07:33 AM

well, for sure not mine

ruff · 06-16-2012, 08:01 AM

I used to be walking in tall cotton wiping my ass with the top leaf. Not so much anymore though.

Paul Markham · 06-16-2012, 08:05 AM

I think he's a bit out on the %, still it's definitely declined since Tubes. The massive amount of traffic they get and the conversion rates and price of ads. Tells the truth.

Barefootsies · 06-16-2012, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

well, for sure not mine

Same here. But I will openly admit that fetish, shot by people who actually understand it, is a completely different animal than vanilla mainstream porn. At some point, that shit looks like it's shot from an assembly line, or to get laid.

SilentKnight · 06-16-2012, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Same here. But I will openly admit that fetish, shot by people who actually understand it, is a completely different animal than vanilla mainstream porn. At some point, that shit looks like it's shot from an assembly line, or to get laid.

My thoughts exactly.

raymor · 06-16-2012, 08:20 AM

I figure our sales are a meta-indicator for the industry as a whole because if webmasters aren't making money and aren't opening new sites, they aren't buying software. We haven't seen any 80% or 90% drop.

Looking at the economy of prime market, real average earnings in the US are down 25% from 1980s-1990s levels. In the last three years, real median household income is down slightly and that matches up with what we see - it ain't the 80s or 90s anymore, it isn't even 2008, but it's not down 90% from 2008.

Barefootsies · 06-16-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

I figure our sales are a meta-indicator for the industry as a whole because if webmasters aren't making money and aren't opening new sites, they aren't buying software. We haven't seen any 80% or 90% drop.

That's good to hear top notch.

ilnjscb · 06-16-2012, 08:48 AM

That guy is lobbying - his figures are designed to elicit a response, not to be accurate or representative.

Barefootsies · 06-16-2012, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

That guy is lobbying - his figures are designed to elicit a response, not to be accurate or representative.

Indeed.

However, typically at some point you have to back up those numbers or claims.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-16-2012, 08:51 AM

^ hahahahahaha

JOKER · 06-16-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I think he's a bit out on the %, still it's definitely declined since Tubes. The massive amount of traffic they get and the conversion rates and price of ads. Tells the truth.

Traffic is a dime a dozen, it's the easiest thing to get!

signupdamnit · 06-16-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

I figure our sales are a meta-indicator for the industry as a whole because if webmasters aren't making money and aren't opening new sites, they aren't buying software. We haven't seen any 80% or 90% drop.

Looking at the economy of prime market, real average earnings in the US are down 25% from 1980s-1990s levels. In the last three years, real median household income is down slightly and that matches up with what we see - it ain't the 80s or 90s anymore, it isn't even 2008, but it's not down 90% from 2008.

What kind of drop have you seen? I've noticed many designers, programmers, domainers and others in the industry have been hit hard. Especially if their business relied in great part on business from adult affiliates.

I think 80-90% might be a little high but 20-50% over the last four years is likely. There are many who are doing better but it's usually because their traffic has increased disproportionately to offset it.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-16-2012, 08:59 AM

Traffic has a massive spectrum of quality and anything emanating unsolicited from port 80 is garbage.

Barefootsies · 06-16-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

What kind of drop have you seen? I've noticed many designers, programmers, domainers and others in the industry have been hit hard. Especially if their business relied in great part on business from adult affiliates.

I think that is relative.

I know that the different programmers and designers I have worked with over the past 4 years are scaling up. Konrad as an example went from a one man show, to an office with a bunch of dudes. There are a number of other outfits in the HIRING section looking to bring on staff and expand as well.

While I do believe that 'some' are seeing numbers drop, there are others who are growing.

JOKER · 06-16-2012, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dsadsa

Traffic has a massive spectrum of quality and anything emanating unsolicited from port 80 is garbage.

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-16-2012, 09:08 AM

Let's do business with a Joker, lol!

LeRoy · 06-16-2012, 09:09 AM

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Barnett said it's already hard enough for an adult entrepreneur to make a profit since in the past four years revenue has declined industrywide by 80-90 percent,

He's not talking about the Japanese niche.

Barefootsies · 06-16-2012, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

He's not talking about the Japanese niche.

LeRoy's got dat shit on lockdown.

signupdamnit · 06-16-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I think that is relative.

I know that the different programmers and designers I have worked with over the past 4 years are scaling up. Konrad as an example went from a one man show, to an office with a bunch of dudes. There are a number of other outfits in the HIRING section looking to bring on staff and expand as well.

While I do believe that 'some' are seeing numbers drop, there are others who are growing.

Yes, I was definitely speaking overall. Overall I think most are feeling the pinch.

The Ghost · 06-16-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I had to do a double take when I read this remark from the latest XBIZ.

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I am not sure where he came up with that number, but....

Like all statistics, pulled straight from the ass. Though can agree I know more people who's sales are down than are up.

6 years in (for the program) and not complaining at all. Some businesses are built for the short term. Others are not.

EpicPanda · 06-16-2012, 12:31 PM

We've made 20% more $ every year, but we also add 1-2 sites a year, and they keep updating.

I guess if you had a dead site that you didn't update, it would make 10% what it did in year 4 than it did in year 1. In that case, yeah. Down 90% man.

epitome · 06-16-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

What kind of drop have you seen? I've noticed many designers, programmers, domainers and others in the industry have been hit hard. Especially if their business relied in great part on business from adult affiliates.

I think 80-90% might be a little high but 20-50% over the last four years is likely. There are many who are doing better but it's usually because their traffic has increased disproportionately to offset it.

It's difficult to find an industry that hasn't taken a hit since we've been in a global recession.

PornoStar69 · 06-16-2012, 01:25 PM

rule 11 = illuminati

digitaldivas · 06-16-2012, 02:05 PM

Idk, about the niche fetish thing. Fetish is also waaay down. Sites closing up left and right... by folks that understood the niche because they are lifestyle fetishists themselves. Go to the legwebasters board that jscott runs, for example, there are sites closing down literally every week.

Now one of the things that fetishists fall into when they start a site is that they only shoot the shit that they like, ie, soles, arches, bottoms, hammer toes, etc. So that they are micro niche inside of a micro niche because they only love the parts of the feet that they like and everything else sucks, lol. Of course that is not going to convert as well as a broader spectrum of the niche, so I can see that webmaster getting discouraged, much sooner.

Alot of sites are just down in 2012 imho. ...actually, since 2006

EukerVoorn · 06-16-2012, 02:54 PM

How on earth can anybody know that revenue of the full porn industry declined by 90%
The small home based companies don't keep books and don't pay tax
the medium size companies keep double books and pay little tax
the big ones all work with some kind of offshore solution
The Russian tubes and filelockers don't pay any tax at all
If he means that the US tax dept receives 90% less from the porn industry than 10 years ago, yes that would make sense

HomeFry · 06-16-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I had to do a double take when I read this remark from the latest XBIZ.

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I am not sure where he came up with that number, but....

Were you in a car accident or something? You seem a lot more, stupid lately.

FreeHugeMovies · 06-16-2012, 04:02 PM

So many ppl are out of biz. No new sites opening. The tubes have destroyed our biz.

Major (Tom) · 06-16-2012, 04:04 PM

wow we net now what we used to gross back in 2010.
ds

garce · 06-16-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

I figure our sales are a meta-indicator for the industry as a whole because if webmasters aren't making money and aren't opening new sites,

When's your birthday? Dorian Gray wants his mirror back, and you're gonna need something a little more up to date to stare at yourself in while you masterbate.

I figure our sales are a meta-indicator for the industry as a whole...

I am DYING over here, Mr. Internet Trend Indicator Authoritah!

META-INDICATOR! Is that anything like Optimus Prime? Just curious...

alf6300 · 06-16-2012, 04:48 PM

The guys who are growing double-digit monthly are reading this thread, giggling and keeping their figures for themselves :-)

Major (Tom) · 06-16-2012, 04:51 PM

Both of you are wrong. There comes a point where a program get's into seo & internal traffic & doesnt rely on affiliates although obviously they are appreciated. Everyone who has coded for the big guys & seen our numbers vs theirs is that 85% or more of our sales are in house.

as far as Raymor's coments the industry got smaller in number of companies but not in $. Most outgrow a strongbox or pennywize & go for a custom solution or use strongbox as a fallback.
just my 2 cents but what do I know.
ds

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LeRoy · 06-16-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

LeRoy's got dat shit on lockdown.

Thankfully it's a hungry niche

Japanese dudes are high on the list of consumption

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digitaldivas ..I Heart Cannibal Corpse Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 4,328	Idk, about the niche fetish thing. Fetish is also waaay down. Sites closing up left and right... by folks that understood the niche because they are lifestyle fetishists themselves. Go to the legwebasters board that jscott runs, for example, there are sites closing down literally every week. Now one of the things that fetishists fall into when they start a site is that they only shoot the shit that they like, ie, soles, arches, bottoms, hammer toes, etc. So that they are micro niche inside of a micro niche because they only love the parts of the feet that they like and everything else sucks, lol. Of course that is not going to convert as well as a broader spectrum of the niche, so I can see that webmaster getting discouraged, much sooner. Alot of sites are just down in 2012 imho. ...actually, since 2006 __________________ ... Last edited by digitaldivas; 06-16-2012 at 02:08 PM..

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EukerVoorn So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Les Alpes, France Posts: 1,423	How on earth can anybody know that revenue of the full porn industry declined by 90% The small home based companies don't keep books and don't pay tax the medium size companies keep double books and pay little tax the big ones all work with some kind of offshore solution The Russian tubes and filelockers don't pay any tax at all If he means that the US tax dept receives 90% less from the porn industry than 10 years ago, yes that would make sense

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Major (Tom) White Pride Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 31,052	Both of you are wrong. There comes a point where a program get's into seo & internal traffic & doesnt rely on affiliates although obviously they are appreciated. Everyone who has coded for the big guys & seen our numbers vs theirs is that 85% or more of our sales are in house. as far as Raymor's coments the industry got smaller in number of companies but not in $. Most outgrow a strongbox or pennywize & go for a custom solution or use strongbox as a fallback. just my 2 cents but what do I know. ds __________________ WHITE LIVES MATTER

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