Luc? didn't he leave with "Abbie" ?

Yeah, I think he did. As well as her mods. I think Phil is her new affiliate manager?
Poor guy. . .

Hi Gisele,

Could you please contact me via Skype at "markfrom2much" or icq 322403761? I have a question for you about this that I prefer to keep off the boards.

Thanks,

:) we do!

Abbie once had one our first viral Brooke Marks videos deleted from Youtube a few days after it went up, called "Ten Things You've Never Seen In A Webcam Dance Video" (Copyright Claim by Cam With Her). It didn't have anything to do with CWH, and didn't have any of their cam models in it. I never figured out why she did that. I guess she was angry at the jokes, or had spite against someone in our company. I always thought that was mean-spirited. When the video went down, it was being linked to by several big humor sites (Ebaum's World, Phun.org) who burned traffic into the 404 and didn't update their links. It was a shitty thing to do to us.

I remember that video, I think. Or I remember Brooke Marks videos. I was still a CWH model at the time. All the girls thought Brooke was really cute and funny. Her vids were brilliant. I don't get why Abbie would have a problem with her, but I don't get most of the horrible things she's done. I guess she's just mean spirited and doesn't like competition.

I recall her sitting in girls chats on mfc and harassing them under guest accounts. She even posted girls numbers, names, and private info in the chat. I was horrified by it, but afraid to say anything. I just brushed it off and refused to participate. Figured she had a good reason to hate the models. One of the many red flags I shouldn't have ignored. Abbie tells you what you want to hear to get you on her team. I fell for it. Twice. Shame on me.

Anyway, that experience has given me thicker skin at least. Everytime someone tries to troll me while I'm camming I think, "It's someone as miserable as Abbie, with nothing better to do."

Thanks Abbie! :)

Crakcash. . .

I'm pretty sure Abbie sold you content of me that she doesnt own the rights to. :( I don't really care that much, just kind of sucks that she got the money and I got nothing.

Is this true CrakCash?

Did you buy content from Jennfier Redheart?


Semantics Semantics...work or partner?

poor evelyn....no one's gonna promote her new site because of who she's connected to.

Oh how the Mighty have fallen ... ;)

added ya! I still use my GotGisele name on skype ;)

Gisele why don't you sue her over the $3,600? Or better yet get her charged with theft/fraud - if your fan who sent Abbie the money backs you up and you have emails/IM records of your discussions with Abbie about the money then she's fucked, a criminal record would look good on her.

Doesn't look like Abbie is even going to try to defend herself here against Gisele's accusation.

Whatever the story is, being an affiliate is like being a vendor or supplier. Businesses going under is part of the risk of the job. You're going to have to deal with unpaid invoices and devalued product from time to time. Take the appropriate actions when these things happen. I like that ccbill somewhat cuts out that aspect of it with their system.

Odd, I was never aware of this. Sorry that happened. I don't even know if she was with us when this happened.

This is a crazy story. I'm quite intrigued to see how it all plays out. Sean emailed me notice of the lawsuit as well. I don't know what to believe at this point. Was it actually filed in Canada? I confronted Abbie about it and she told me she never was served with anything.

Sorry to see Gisele in this spot. She always was a great model for us and always had a great attitude.

That guy's a tool. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm certain that between you, myself, and TheSenator's assets alone... we could spread the word quite far. :2 cents:

After all the lies she fed you over the years, you'd think that you would be the first person to know not to believe anything she says.
I don't believe Sean is innocent either, don't get me wrong.

I question a lot of what Abbie tells me due to our past. Usually if it's something worth verifying, I do so.

Is Sean real or just a made up person by Jennifer Redheart aka Abbie?

He's real. Abbie and her partners are all well-known scammers but in this particular instance she's using them as convenient scapegoats to cover up for her own guilty actions. Notice she's refusing to reply to this thread?

Actions have been taken on my member and my behalf.. the member actually lives in her city... ;) Gimmie ma Monies!!! hahaha I am using it to take us all to dinner :thumbsup

It isn't my place to say.. but since she did share these details on a business trip w/ other models around.. I will say that the court and jail system is nothing new to Ms. "Abbie" .. and I am not talking about business woahs.. Someone has a temper... Just sayin..

Thanks Steve ... As you know, our split wasn't anything personal.. just a poor business decision I made in my earlier years in the biz... Safe to say listening to outside advice and suggestions is no longer apart of my business tactics LoL..

CWH was the foundation that got me where I am today.. I'll never hold any regrets working with ya despite the woahs other webmasters/ webmistresses had with ya, CWH was where it all started ;)

Silly butt, don't feel sorry for me being in this spot, this is finally what Ive been needing for the past 3 1/2 years.. Free to do as I wish without the restraints of jealous, greedy, fraudulent hands all over my brand. I am happier than I have been in a long time.. If anything overwhelmed with what steps to take next! ;)

I'm not really sure what content was bought via Abbie, as we buy for xx,xxx content each month.

I do know we request and get models release and 2257 docs from everything we buy and use.

Please contact me or Nowhere and we can check with you.

In any case, I would be more than happy to buy directly from you, help you with traffic and exposure via our network.

Same for Gisele or any other model that want to licence content to us or just get some free traffic, we will be there to help everyone move forward.

As we make lots of revenue from cam sites, I really respect the work of models, I will always be ready to help models maximize their revenues and exposure in any way that we can.

Hit me up and I'll make sure to figure out something.

Good luck all fixing those issues.

I'm gladly surprise by the down to earth attitude of many people in here. I really hope this will end up in peace and that everyone will be able to get back to focus on their projects.

Well in that case...congrats? lol.

Things will work out for ya. BTW we are gathering all our old models to kick off our new free cam site, ClassyCams.com. I have a good deal for ya if you're interested. Hit me up about it - steve at snrproductions.com.

I have increase traffic to CWH and ICGirls.

As soon as, ClassyCams.com is out of the oven, I will send more traffic.

I would re-direct all my traffic back to Gisele if she has a landing page and she joins up with you again.

Thanks Senator, much appreciated. I'll see what I can do about getting Gisele on board. We were able to get a lot of our old all-stars back for it already.

her partners were banned from other forums for scamming people. THEN she partnered with them, knowing that they were banned for scamming.

makes sense since she's a huge scammer.

Cam With Carmen aka Carmen Bella has always been riddled with problems since day one. Just seems that she can never catch a break.

At this point in the game, she should have been one of the top solo models in the industry like Nikki Sims.

FREE CARMEN!

I am currently in the process of shooting new content to be used for promo for my next site.. can you hit me up on my new Skype (xoGisele) for info!
Also abbie never had us sign 2257's ... if that makes a difference in the content you purchased from her.. may want to look into the "rights" she is claiming to have ..

do u skype or AIM still?
:)

iam working to have a new solo site back by end of summer ;)

Hit me up once ready please.

that's awesome news :thumbsup

jeeez... what a clusterfuck. good luck sorting that out

I have a ton of SEO traffic once your site is up.

Make sure to have access to your refer URL stats.

Yea, aim is snrproductionsco. I either lost yours or ya got a new one. Hit me up :)

No one signed 2257's? That's scary

is abbie related to this new site? i see some SAM girls on the coming soon page.

if not-- might be interested in finding a new home for a godsgirls studio.

She just has a studio with her SAM girls...that's it. My email is steve at snrproductions.com if you want to talk.

No good at all....