Vyyery good point... hmmmmmm

damn my kindness.. always ending up being my weakness lol

Looks like Karma is taking over at this point .. I am so excited to start some new projects, I shall have last laugh. not too worried. Someone is always going to try and get the best of you. Let them sell old content, and since they think they are so high and mighty and deserve full ownership, I challenge them to hop in front of the cameras and we can compare which site members wish to join LoL:winkwink: I have all my old content as well sitting here on my desktop.. and I paid half every month for those photos. :2 cents:

hehe you haven't seen nothin yet ;)
I purposely started holding back on the opportunities and offers presented by some legit mainstream work so as to not profit webmasters who were already making way too much off of me..

Safe to say I will no longer allow them to hold me back ;)

So true!! You're too sweet, but a tough girl too. ;)

We paid for those photos, yet both Abbie and Sean are sending DMCA notices to MyFreeCams and Facebook, trying to get photos I shot or paid for removed! I have forwarded Emails as proof that BOTH Abbie and Sean were doing this very recently. Very confusing since Abbie is trying to play victim and blame Sean.

She's posting explicit photos of my vagina all over that were supposed to be for my members only, (not promo) out of revenge and to make money off Viorotica.com. This goes against the contract I had with her and Sean, (but they broke that contract a long time ago when they failed to pay on time and charged us for expenses).:P This type of behavior is the very thing she called Irina from IHB scum for. It's okay though, glad I have a pretty pussy! And I show in it on cam nightly for more money than Abbie could ever make me.

I have evidence that she's sitting in her private forum talking trash about Gisele and I. Telling people she paid my bills! lmao! Trying to turn models against us. So typical. I can't post a link here yet. Damn it.

Sorry, but this isn't spam. In case anyone is interested in what cam girls have to say about Abbie/Sean/LCC.

stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?161151-So-frustrated-with-OHC/page5

I feel for you girls and thought this move was gonna be better :( Sorry it is turning out worse for you guys.

Thank you, but honestly I feel liberated.

Gisele & Violet, whenever you start your new sites you know how to reach me.

Thank you so much. We definitely will! :)

I'm beginning to think that the reason Abbie intentionally associates with proven scammers who are already blackballed from various webmaster communities is so that when things go wrong she can blame them and pretend to be a victim herself. Fuck that, this is maybe the 6th or 7th time she has done this. It's a recurring trend and can't be by mistake.

already a priority:)

Let's keep this thread on top. Thieving assholes.

:disgust

Crazy, crazy, stuff. It's interesting to hear model's sides of things. I'd chime in, but I don't really know the whole story from all sides so I won't comment. It's pretty wild how things turn out though sometimes.

I want to know what happened to the third partner of LCC, Alex. He was actually very cool. Guess he got out of that mess as soon as he could. Smart guy.

@Violet Doll- i e-mailed you :P

that is quote of the week!!!

i hope you girls get this sorted and make sure you get some reviews from legit people in the industry about who to work with, so you're not stuck dealing with scammers.

vio and giselle - if you ever do cam signs, we could use one for BabeCrew.com - and when your new sites are up, i'll feature some content for you.

punkerbarbie - chaturbate is ruined...did they buy that spot?

Thanks for your support! :thumbsup

owed a bunch of money by them also on the affiliate end and on the studio end. have models who are also owed money. this is all extremely disheartening. i enjoyed a mostly positive experience with ohc/lcc for YEARS. a few payment issues here and there but we were always able to resolve things. i put a lot of trust into this company over the years. really disappointing. i have been trying to contact sean with limited response. called him over the weekend. contacted him today via chat and he told me he would give me a call "in 15-30 minutes." never happened.

if i can't get an answer from them after years of providing the majority of their model base and significant traffic to them then i doubt anyone else is going to be paid.

wow nobody was safe from their scam

Gisele sorry to hear about you issues and leaving your existing site behind. I'd like to discuss something I'm currently working on. Can you drop me a line so we can do an IM or setup a call?
ICQ 372485549
Email alex.k {at} adultcentro.com

Ruined? I have no clue what you are referring to.

Solo sites are consistently making me cash.

Especially ones that interacts with their members.

Posted On 2/12.

My XBIZ account is somehow set up to where when i check it on my mobile, I see a stream of recent 'connections'. I don't know if it's a list of who my connections are connecting with or if it's a list of all recent connections, but it seems like every time I check, I see that Abby has just made a new connection.

The fact that she continues to ignore this thread and other related threads is beyond unacceptable. Maybe she did have health issues or whatever, and if she did I hope that everything is fine, but the fact is that these threads were happening before said issues and are still happening after said issues and so it should now therefore be perfectly acceptable to directly assault the health of her business.

If you run a solo girl program, or if you're thinking about starting one, you should consider contacting Gisele, Viorotica, and XO Eve and present them with this and other threads which indicate the true nature of Abbie's worthless cuntiness b/c there's probably a good a chance that they're either not getting paid on time or have seen things that have at least caused them to question whether or not Abbie is or isn't the cunt she clearly seems to be.

Just a thought.

Oh, and Abbie does seem to be a bit paranoid, a bit delusional, and a bit lawsuit happy. It's almost as if she's PornStarGlobal's soulmate. So the process of taking these girls from her might be annoying, but you usually don't have to wait very long before paranoid delusional people start to fuck themselves over, so I imagine you'll be fine in the end and it will ultimately have been worth the headache.

Good luck.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18764400&postcount=16

I would be interested in seeing a total of what they've managed to rip off from us collectively. Maybe I'm a masochist. I've been working on compiling a list of what models affiliated with my sites are owed and it looks like its going to be quite a bit of money.

Hopefully you can recover something.

LoL my thoughts exactly... Live and Learn ;)

Oh I am a 110% "free agent" at this point... Saddens me all my hard work in producing content for a site no longer is no longer paying me. And of course they are still having a field day using my images to promote all of their other projects (old and new) .. but I suppose I am flattered and reassured that I will be just fine in the future seeing as they still feel I am profitable enough to keep promoting even after long gone.
They may own content and domains, but they don't know Me :thumbsup

if they are no longer paying you Gisele, maybe u need to send out some DMCAs for fun!

Love you babygirl, and I don't agree that you are not cut out to be a solo site model, we just didn't give it any time to grow and reach it's full potential.

I wish both Violet and Gisele the best of luck and am sorry this happened to them and to all affiliates. Both girls have a great head on their shoulders and will be just fine...best of luck and I consider you ladies friends and am here for any advice or help you ever might need.

I dont think she should send out false DMCAs, just because the content is of her, she doesn't own any rights to it.

Also gisele, i recommend you request a login to ccbill and choose whoever you choose to partner up with, based on how much money their best site has made within the past 2-3 years. And if closer to 2 or 3 years, expect a decent drop from that.

Your site shouldn't gross less than 10k a month.

Dont listen to talk.

Also get a contract that states that you get 50 percent of net profit. So you can go after them legally for your money incase they tried screwing you over

A gross of 10k a month, is only $120,000/year, after all ccbill fees (15%), affiliates estimate (25%) leaves $78,000 and then another 50% off that for a webmaster split? She's only left with $39,000 for the year. She's better off on doing it on her own and paying people for what she needs if she needs it.

It really sucks! There was no way to tell, things were great until they weren't:( Are you going to start something in-house with your models now?

There's no way that CCBill or any other biller would grant access to an account to anyone else but the owner who signed the agreement with CCBill.

Evildoings or not, the biller would be wide-open to a lawsuit and would probably lose.

I said minimum. and 40k (net + no investment) a year for a solo model in 2012 is good. sites launch 2012+ dont exactly pull in the numbers you are probably familiar with. I was also talking about sales, not including extra webcam revenues.

And a model is NEVER better off doing it herself. This isn't 2004, its 2012 and even the biggest programs stopped launching sites because they can't make sense of doing it anymore. There are few left that can, do you really think Gisele would be able to with hired help? Who would this hired help be? Where is she going to get this affiliate database? build it up? If youre talking about her paying for a webmaster to build this all for her and turn her content into a high source of revenue, how much do you think this is worth, shes got content, there are few people who can turn that into a source of revenue , a 120k a year business. How much do you think she'll have to pay this perosn to start it all up and not ask for a percent?? she'll also have to pay out of her pocket for designs, editors, etc

To pay a model outright costs over 10k. And thats just to build the product, the person who turns a product into a source of revenue is worth much more. Supply and demand, few quality solo program owners who can reach 10k+ a site and the amount of potential models are endless for softcore modeling

None of that makes sense. I could go on forever of why a model won't make a dime without a program. 50 percent of 10k+ a month is better than 100 percent of 2-3 k a month profit like 90 percent of solo girl sites out there. Which are ran by legit webmasters and not models

CCBill grant access? You can give them your login. You can contact support and have them change your password after 5 minutes by answering some questions and proving your identity.

There is absolutely zero things they could change that would hurt you, since you could change things back.

Im not sure but as far as i know, i dont see an issue with that

Also isnt' there a way to setup an account for just showing stats, from conversations with other program owners, i believe their models have access to view stats without having control of changing important data

Ive never had to do this because there is no need for myself to show stats to my models

Affiliates estimate is an estimate that affiliates at 50% revshare would make half your sales, so it's 25% off gross. But it's different for every site, so that's why I said estimate.

I'd agree with you 100% for a model just starting out who needs to build a fanbase. Gisele is tops, though. Huge following, works hard, knows her stuff. I imagine even she was handling the content production herself already, too. Whomever she chooses to work with won't be building from scratch, she already has a lot of that stuff in place. She's just been involved in bad deals. I just want her to have a stable site so I can promote it.

Look at what Nikki Sims has accomplished on her own. And this is no offense to you, because you run killer sites, but 90% of solo girl sites end up only making that much a lot of times because of goofy webmasters. Case in point with the girls here.

Yes, you can set up an account in the CCBill admin just so they can view stats and not make changes on things. All of the models I work with have access to their stats in this manner.

Im confused because i dont actually know the Nikki Sims story but isn't Nikki Sims new site partnered up with PinkVelvetVault? Are you saying she built pinkvelvetvault and got those affiliates onboard? Also you have no idea how much she pulls in, if you have been told a number, doesn't mean its accurate. Then on top of that, nikkisims was registered in 2007. That was during much much better times in the solo market, sadly not many program owners in solo know how much things decrease each year because nobody is launching anything lately, Joey from pinkvelvet launched kendra rain recently, look where that went. Every year makes a drastic difference. Nikki Sims also was one of those girls that came during the big boom (as nextdoornikki), which means she was able to attract a huge audience and build a fanbase thats impossible to post gisele time, it's similar to hockey, big names like wayne gretzky and gordie howe will forever be remembered, why? because they played during a time where there were dynasties and superstars were made. nowadays, theres alot of parody and even amazing players won't be remembered for a 100 years. NextDoorNikki/Kates Playground could forever make a ton of money. Its not a proper comparison

Huge following and works hard doesn't really make a huge difference. It helps, but its not a huge difference. Sadly her following on MFC won't turn into mad sales, neither will her twitter followers.

It will turn into sales for sure, but her site isn't going to be making more than 30 percent more because of that.

And she were to start it on her own, if she only targeted her mfc fans and twitter fans, etc - her member base would be tiny. Its getting your content across the web that matters. something she has no experience in. building a new affiliate base is HARD. it was hard for myself even and ive been doing this a long time. every year that goes by, less and less affiliates, a model can really take advantage of programs that launched a few years ago because they had the ability to get more affiliates signed up and onboard

Look at Hailey(haileyshideaway), her site was one of the few that did real well in the past couple years, one of the VERY few! and she just tried to launch something where she had more control, shes not making anything. She had a good following. Doesn't do you anything unless you have a great webmaster.

if 40K net is good in 2012 for a solo girl site and you may be right then i'll be done with it - waste of time.