What are you talking about? Grade? Are you implying it was immature of me to show you examples of why i formed my opinion? You laugh when i suggest that i think you have models not showing up and you say i clearly can't be talking about you, yet on another forum, you talk about how its impossible to get content from a model .. hmm wonder why i'd think that eh.. you say im totally wrong, yet the truth was, you couldn't get the content FROM her, not that she wasn't showing, sorry HUGE difference (completely changes everything. LOL)

I think its pretty clear when I said you were having issues with girls not showing up that i meant you were having issues getting content, if i was wrong with how you obtain content from your models is beside the point. The point i was clearly making is that you have had issues getting content. So you can try to argue technical details all you want.


Your rants about girls not showing up is just you randomly pointing out what facts from what you see around? Riiight. lol - its something you stated happens to everybody, which would include yourself. it was also evident by your posts that you've had it! which is something that comes out of frustration. webmasters dont get frustrated and quit making sites unless its happening to them

You have been frustrated with models and obtaining content. This affects sales. Period.

And about the quotes from a a closed webmaster board, does that make it right to talk like that about models? There are models ON that board, so if you truly think its something that shouldn't be said because its so personal, would you say that in a thread with ariel? Give me a break, youre trying to play it like youre some white knight in a thread where there are models you could potentially work with.

There was no need for you to come in here and patronize my opinion or be passive aggressive, considering everything i've said, is an opinion. This is obvious because i can't actually see your numbers, so anything i state on here is an assumption/opinion, whether its with good reason, is an opinion. So if you want to get all uppity because somebody doesn't think your sites make a fortune, go ahead.

If a corner store was setup on the same road and sold the exact same things for the exact same price, that store would have a pretty good estimation of what that other store is pulling in, while they could be off, the likeliness they could give up some accurate estimations is very likely. So you can get mad at me for giving my estimations of what your sites make but this isn't something that should upset you.

And you say what is gained?? I dont understand this. Im on a board stating my opinions and i have strong opinions that others may get upset about for whatever reason. I dont see by any of my posts that im attacking anybody or that im even heated about the situation. You seem pissed off. Im just giving my opinions in a thread. Gained? Its nice to talk business and hear other peoples opinions, im sure mutt and sexypattycake owner , etc all share different views of the niche and theyre welcome to disagree but actually being offended by my posts, come on. lol if you weren't so worried about peoples image of your company and worried people might not thinking its making the fortune you want everybody to think (especially in a thread with models) you wouldn't be so threatened and you could take my opinion of your company with a grain of salt.

If somebody came on a board and said, i dont think autumn riley is making much because his traffic numbers are low, he doesn't send out much promo content and he just lost a model, do you think i'd be offended? Do you think i'd come in here telling them to keep their opinions to themself as if they have no right. LOL sorry bud but YOU need to relax

Being a program owner with an exact same business model, share similar affiliate base, both have top models in the niche, i think people here actually are curious to see my opinions of numbers people are pulling in, so suck it up

There has already been people in here stating they are interested in hearing numbers of what sites are pulling in, also gives it more credibility comign from somebody who is still launching sites currently. so if you say there is no need and nothing is gained, youre wrong , this is a forum about business and this is business talk. you can claim my projections are wrong, go ahead.

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im suprised freeones doesnt have a hitman to take out all these fucking sponsors who take them for a fortune!

Haha thats great.

I am the lil man with the big ego though :thumbsup

And of course she stayed in touch with me als she is The One with The New program coming up. Good luck with that.

btw what is the link to this post?

nevermind, got it

http://iq69.com/showpost.php?p=454480&postcount=97

The water is all muddy. I can't tell who is lying and where the truth sits..

The legal battle between Trifecta Creations Inc. and Jennifer L. Redheart should get interesting.

I want everyone to know the facts of the situation.

I am posting this on behalf of Sean DeFreitas because he does not have enough posts to post a link through his personal GFY Account. If there are any questions Sean will be responding to them from his personal account.

Link To Legal Case Between Trifecta Creations, Inc. and Jennifer Redheart (Abbie)

http://www.mediafire.com/?dfw83aaoqd7128u

Pretty much got the same reaction from her when I confronted her about LiveCamCash/solo site related issues when I was in Phx in 2011.

She avoided the topic, spouted off about non related issues, ran to the airport bathroom, came back crying, still avoided the topic.

Thank you for sharing. I have no idea what to say about that. Wow.

$10,000,000 in damages. hahahaha

scammer vs scammer!

Sean e-mailed this over to me. Interesting indeed.

nice the lawyers can take whatever money there is and webmasters will be left with nothing im sure!

The complaint says Abbie is still a 25% owner of LCC.

Didn't she say that she is no longer an owner?

nice twist here....

Thanks Paul!

Who is Alex?

Alex was a 3rd partner but left a while back for reasons unknown to me.. although I have a few assumptions as to why ;) Violet and I signed our contracts with a "Great North Marketing" which I believe was owned by Sean and/or Alex.. tis why Abbie now has her hands free of GotGisele & VioRotica. I assume since she was involved with the "Trifecta Co." which my original contract does not pertain to .... Anywho, perfect example of how shit gets complicated when too many cooks in the kitchen lol

This is all so crazy!!! Sad people have to always fuck up something good due to shameless greed..

I got checks from Great North Marketing.

i was hoping that some aspect of this would start making sense soon but really it just gets more and more murky.

the last time i spoke to abbie i asked her if she would be willing to set up some kind of payment plan to pay down the debt owed to my models. seeing as she retains properties that were built by ohc/lcc i don't think this is totally unfair. she was also always the main person i did business with regarding ohc/lcc and i think she should do right by me and my models. she is doing solo sites under her new program with girls who were in my cam studio/on godsgirls.

she never responded to me and i haven't heard from her since.

mostly i feel bad for the girls who are doing these solo sites. even if it turns out that abbie is completely innocent no one is going to promote these sites or send any abbie related properties any traffic, right? a couple of girls have told me that they have been blacklisted from some communities just for being associated with abbie. these are nice girls who work hard. it's just all too bad.

the last thing i heard from sean was an email including the legal filing and a note saying that he cannot pay my models because abbie/jennifer is in control of their funds. ?

I agree 100% Annaliese ...

What is beyond silly to me is her claims to have zero involvement when it comes to payment, however is willing to "pay out of pocket" to debts that she is adamant on stating she has zero responsibility for. Now I know that me, personally, would never pay out any debts to anyone if the truth indeed is that the blame is falling in someone else's lap alone entirely. Unfair as it may seem, if her claims of unaware innocence are true, why would one ever offer to pay someone else's debts? ... :2 cents:

Without going into tooo much detail.. Abbie owes me a hefty amount personally. A foolish mistake on my behalf for trusting those untrustworthy, but her claims of innocence and the constant pointing of fingers has made me become very aware of the deceitful actions she is capable of. A member of mine wanted to send me money orders to purchase a new computer for my birthday last October. Abbie agreed to a favor, to have the money orders sent to her address to insure my privacy from the member. The member sent a large package of random goodies including an ipad, lamp, money orders and other small sentimental items. Long story short I did receive some of the smaller items but they were sent during long drawn out time periods one by one due to her encountering some health issues and hospital stays. I am very aware that this was a huge favor and generous thing for Abbie to do for me, so I let the delay in forwarding the goodies slide. However when it came to the money orders (exceeding 3k may I add..) These were never sent to me.. despite the huge lamp, bedding and ipad being sent .. Months passed and I had my member look into the status of the money orders as of that point I was worried it is too late for me to even cash them in the event they ever did arrive. The checks were made out to "Gisele" .. and I found out that Abbie had cashed the checks shortly after receiving them. She did this so "my member wouldn't see my personal info when I go to cash them" .. Sounds fair enough right..?? So I smile and carry on thinking SURELY they are on their way.. hehe
Well this all took place in October 2011... it is now May 2012.. and I am still typing on my old computer ;) This is more of a personal issue and consequences on poor decisions on my behalf. But I can not help but to see through her lies and casting of blame on others when I have fallen victim on a personal level of her cashing money orders that were birthday gifts for ME, not my solo site, and not only cashing them, but never sending them as well.
Oh!
Yall will never guess what her reason for not being able to send the money orders was..
get this...
She was forbidden to talk to me after I left my site in Nov/Dec due to legal reasons...
Sounds like things are pretty quite in AbbieLand these days with all these restraints on communicating to others ... hehehe
Thats fine and dandy that she cant "talk to me".. but umm why not send the money back to the member Miss "good character 2012" !?!?!

Point being.. lets put that good character to test Abbie... and send me my money. How is it you are willing to pay people back debts you are claiming you aren't even responsible for? Yet you cant send me my (not yours..mine) $3,600 that I have emails saying you would do. The checks were made out to me, they had absolutely NOTHING to do with GotGisele.com or any accused "debts" you, Sean or anyone apart of LCC claim that I "owed". I left the site with fair warning and attempts to buy out.

I truly hope you put that money to good use.

Oh, and my Xbiz award for Web babe of the year.. not Website.. that was sent to your house for whatever reason.. the one with my name on it..That can be sent to me as well :)

I am so disgusted at the lies and drama. I am ready to move on.. Just had to share some tid bits and facts.. Nothing erks me more than people claiming to be something they are not.

You said to my face that I remind you of the "cheerleader type girls" who "bullied you in Highschool" .. So I guess these are all actions based on your personal judgment towards me as a result to a bad past with girls I personally feel are the furthest from my genuine kindhearted demeanor. But being in an industry based on visual appearance, Blonde hair and bewbs always gets a lovely label doesn't it .. It sucks not being able to hate me because they reality is I have never done anything to harm you and I believe that eats at you because its as if you want to cast judgement and dislike me so bad based on your past. I lost alot of respect when you placed stereotype on me numerous times and called me "diva" to other models and business partners. Shame on you for belittling my intelligence and savy business observations and stooping to childish behavior of name calling...

Apologies for getting off topic.. But believe this example was necessary to confirm suspicions if Abbie is truly that willing to "do the right thing" .. pfft


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From my understanding..
- Abbie is the holder of the epoch account and has/had settlements going to her and not the company account hens people were not paid.
- Abbie went around telling people to contact Sean well company funds were depositing direct to her personal account.
- Abbie moved domains out of the company godaddy account and well the company funds were/are being sent to her made promises to pay company bills etc these payments were not paid resulting in host turning the sites off.
- Abbie is still connected to LLC
- Abbie seems to now be trying to build a company around solo sites she is only part owner of and content she is only part owner of *this is if they have not removed her from the company for her actions*
- Abbie is in control of the main company email account *see screen cap*
http://s13.postimage.org/ltox22h93/a...ilaccounts.png

In the password recovery function of the email ..
email seen = abbies personal email address
cell phone number seen = abbies NEW cell phone number *as in less then 1-2 months old*

- Abbie said she killed the company gmail based account and could not hand control of the email that was used to setup and manage key points of the company . This is clearly not the case or the account would be sending back messages to people saying that the email address did not exist in the gmail system and a password recover page would not be possible.

- Alex was bought out/left of the company so that he could go work on his other projects *main stream*
- Alex is still owed some funds from his buy out

As for Sean I think we all know he is the majority share holder etc.. so there is little point in outlining things plus the legal suit posted sheds some light on things.

http://s13.postimage.org/ltox22h93/a...ilaccounts.png

who is PAR?

also, why is this ohc/lcc company asset being used to promote SAM solo sites? https://twitter.com/#!/onhercam

if abbie is innocent and not holding anything hostage and intending to do right by everyone then why is she using their twitter account? i don't understand. if i left godsgirls tomorrow i would hand over all related marketing assets to whoever took over. i wouldn't use the godsgirls brand to promote a new project. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

nothing makes any sense and it becomes more like a crazy episode of mystery television as more details unfold.

abbie told me that alex & sean pulled the plug on the epoch accounts and that none of the sites bill with epoch any longer. my understanding is that in order to use epoch billing you need a US representative to control the accounts. would they be able to shut down the epoch billing? they're in canada.

i am not taking sides on any of this. i want my models to be paid and that's about it. frankly, i don't really know who to believe in all of this. it gets more confusing the more information i receive.

another question: if sean is innocent in all of this then why did some employees leave with abbie? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Look out for Abbie :thumbsup

http://fubarwebmasters.com/galleries...817/z01158.jpg

EDIT: Hope she wasnt the one paying for dinner...

Looks like the models, Sean, affiliates and his company got screwed over. From what I've heard, this is not the first time Abbie has done this.

Ouch

http://www.sweetassmodels.com/

MojoHost is getting paid.

The girl sitting to her left is on the front page of that link you just posted.

We really need to ensure that anything Abbie touches in the future crashes and burns.

Thieving bitch.

I heard that she is somehow connected with CrakCash.

I hope that it is not true.

Interesting to see this unfold!

So many people getting fucked :Oh crap

No shit? Would be nice to get some confirmation on this one way or another. I would drop my promotions with them tomorrow if they are indeed in bed with her.

The only connection we have with Abbie is that we've bought content from her. Everything else mentionned in this thread has no link to us whatsoever.

We work with hundreds, if not thousands of partners in this business, so I guess I could see why some would think we're connected to other people (or that other people are connected to us).

thank you for clearing that up.


"Work with hundreds" and "partners in this business" are two totally different terms.

aye, there is a nuance. But I see you understand what I meant :)

I'm just me


Exactly as for epoch *my guess is* that they would have had to setup a new account due to Abbie controling the old one and deposits going to her personally including rebills leaving the company with no way to collect cash to pay bills/webmaster/talent etc.. At this point it will be all played out in the courts and when that is said and done we can see whats what until then there are 3 sides to the stoy hers/his/truth..

What staff you mean the models..?
Wasn't Abbies deal to be the one that handled the models/talent etc.. So it would stand to reason that being the models point of contact some would follow her to her next cam / solo based project.
And nobody is saying Sean is innocent. The company from the sounds of it was at break even and when abbie pulled her shit it was like someone living pay check to pay check not getting paid so everything falls apart and shit does not get paid.

You can put peaces in place from a thread on iq69... Where Abbie is/was posting.

Lol, nice find, for sure looks like a foreigner, but maybe he mastered the art of speaking english and he's proud of it.

I'm so glad you posted this! I've been tempted to tell everyone about this forever, but I knew it wasn't my place.

Abbie stole a $3600 birthday gift from Gisele! She signed the money orders over to herself, and used the attorney excuse we're all so familiar with when Gisele wanted her money. I don't know when she became so entitled, but I'm glad she's finally knocked off her throne.

If she's capable of blatantly stealing $3600 from a model, I'm sure she had no problem discreetly stealing from other models and affiliates for years.

Someone really needs to make her current partner and models aware of this thread, as well as the stuff on IQ (because Abbie actually showed up there). Those girls are so far up Abbie's ass, they won't listen to anything former models have to say. They're clueless. One of her girls, (who is actually a sweetheart I might add) attacked me on twitter when I asked Abbie to stop running a fake Facebook page of me.

http://www.evelyncates.com/blog/

Seriously. I feel bad for her girls, but anyone who promotes SAM after all this is a fucking moron.