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Paul Markham · 04-06-2012, 01:00 AM

I got an inquiry recently for Content. Here are the emails we exchanged.

1st

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Hi my name is JD. I'm looking for exclusive Asian glamour for my site. It's difficult to find. Can you help?

My reply

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From: [email protected]
To:
Subject: Re: Asian glamour
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:08:00 +0200

Hi JD, it all comes down to what you will pay for it.

give me your rates.

His reply without the price he would like to pay.

Quote:

Well I'm looking for high quality young and cute asian girls. Met Art style.
My budget is open based on the quality, but ideally I'd like to stay at 3 sets with video for $???????????

Take a guess what he wants to pay and think of it from my POV.

Don't dismiss it with "He's an idiot." Because it shows many people's POV of the product we all try to sell today. Are we responsible in part for that?

I will show you me reply later, post what you think his offer was.

JFK · 04-06-2012, 01:04 AM

Cant wait to hear this one

papill0n · 04-06-2012, 01:06 AM

yes paul you are right

Paul Markham · 04-06-2012, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

Cant wait to hear this one

It will make many chuckle.

Truth is the content he requires is available, nearly all things are possible. If you have the money.

TubeSubmitters · 04-06-2012, 01:37 AM

Found some clothes for you Paul:

DamianJ · 04-06-2012, 01:52 AM

Why would someone contact a retired teen photographer to shoot met art style asian girls? You couldn't shoot that style if your life depended on it.

This whole thing is just another lie.

Post proof of the emails, with headers, or it's just more Markham bullshit.

At least make the lie credible man.

Cherry7 · 04-06-2012, 02:01 AM

620+ VIDEOS + 2300+ IMAGE SETS $3,000 BLOW OUT.

So three sets would cost ($3000/2300) x 3 = $4

AllAboutCams · 04-06-2012, 02:19 AM

$10 am i right

EddyTheDog · 04-06-2012, 02:49 AM

I guess he has no idea of what 'exclusive' is if he says less than a few K. It would be ez to see 'exclusive' as meaning HQ.

Not everyone has been around as long as you Paul

...

Slappin Fish · 04-06-2012, 03:04 AM

Cool story bro.

lazycash · 04-06-2012, 03:11 AM

Come on man, you just got back.

19teenporn · 04-06-2012, 03:32 AM

Just leave man. Nobody cares about your opinion.

Nobody.

ottopottomouse · 04-06-2012, 04:14 AM

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

DWB · 04-06-2012, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Why would someone contact a retired teen photographer to shoot met art style asian girls? You couldn't shoot that style if your life depended on it.

This whole thing is just another lie.

Post proof of the emails, with headers, or it's just more Markham bullshit.

At least make the lie credible man.

You'd be surprised the type of emails you get as a content producer. Most of them wanting content that has nothing to do with anything you've ever shot before.

I believe Paul on this one based on my own experiences with people probing for content.

MaDalton · 04-06-2012, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

You'd be surprised the type of emails you get as a content producer. Most of them wanting content that has nothing to do with anything you've ever shot before.

I believe Paul on this one based on my own experiences with people probing for content.

i have to agree...

i get people asking me for custom ebony and asian content, even if my site clearly says located in Czech Republic and is 99.8% full of eastern european girls

TrashyContent · 04-06-2012, 05:32 AM

Did someone say content thread...

Yeah every one plays the "how much you want, how much you want to pay" game... why say how much you want to pay when the guy might do it cheaper... To me it's the content buyers responsibility to spec the job and come up with "THE PRICE"

Where does "What your willing to pay for it" come from ? Your the one playing the GAME Paul... he's told you what he wants, tell him how much it will cost, no ? You hoping he's going to say more than you want (UNLIKELY) all you've achieved by not telling him, is giving yourself the chance to come on here to moan your ass off about it... and bore the fuck out of everyone else !

Winning hey Paul ? You really are CHarlie Sheen !

Fletch XXX · 04-06-2012, 05:36 AM

$400 a set

L-Pink · 04-06-2012, 05:44 AM

I'm disappointed you're back.

.

Supz · 04-06-2012, 08:02 AM

because you are a senior citizen.

Best-In-BC · 04-06-2012, 08:08 AM

Another Paul Thread, Yeah!

globofun · 04-06-2012, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Take a guess what he wants to pay and think of it from my POV.

206 Million US Dollars

JosephFM · 04-06-2012, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyContent

Did someone say content thread...

Yeah every one plays the "how much you want, how much you want to pay" game... why say how much you want to pay when the guy might do it cheaper... To me it's the content buyers responsibility to spec the job and come up with "THE PRICE"

Where does "What your willing to pay for it" come from ? Your the one playing the GAME Paul... he's told you what he wants, tell him how much it will cost, no ? You hoping he's going to say more than you want (UNLIKELY) all you've achieved by not telling him, is giving yourself the chance to come on here to moan your ass off about it... and bore the fuck out of everyone else !

Winning hey Paul ? You really are CHarlie Sheen !

I hate that "What are you willing to pay for it?" bullshit. You are the content producer, tell him how much it will cost and if he agrees good and if not, oh well.

billywatson · 04-06-2012, 12:38 PM

Every single time I even take 15 seconds to reply to someone looking for content, their budget never comes close to the cost it takes to actually produce it...let alone pay myself anything.

That's why I quit talking to dudes like these in 2003.

Fat Panda · 04-06-2012, 12:39 PM

ban this fucking idiot for good

ninavain · 04-06-2012, 12:43 PM

I don't even shoot exclusive anymore..it's a waste of time to even discuss..like this thread

Coup · 04-06-2012, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papill0n

yes paul you are right

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Why would someone contact a retired teen photographer to shoot met art style asian girls? You couldn't shoot that style if your life depended on it.

This whole thing is just another lie.

Post proof of the emails, with headers, or it's just more Markham bullshit.

At least make the lie credible man.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherry7

620+ VIDEOS + 2300+ IMAGE SETS $3,000 BLOW OUT.

So three sets would cost ($3000/2300) x 3 = $4

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Cool story bro.

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Come on man, you just got back.

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Just leave man. Nobody cares about your opinion.

Nobody.

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

I'm disappointed you're back.

.

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Originally Posted by Supz

because you are a senior citizen.

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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Another Paul Thread, Yeah!

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Originally Posted by SAC

ban this fucking idiot for good

All this, and much.. much more

Radical Bucks · 04-06-2012, 12:51 PM

Content production and cost:

1) The models are now expecting much higher rates
2) The adult talent agents condone these outrageous rates
3) Too many programs pay the models way too much making it tougher for smaller and or up coming programs to hire and producer content.

Locations, misc expenses come into play as well which ad up real fast. If we stop paying the models $2,000 per shoot then maybe it will not be so damn hard to be able to produce content at a reasonable price for smaller programs.

Paul Markham · 04-06-2012, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i have to agree...

i get people asking me for custom ebony and asian content, even if my site clearly says located in Czech Republic and is 99.8% full of eastern european girls

Damian seems to know what inquiries content providers get. Is there no end to the man's vanity and egotistical thinking?

globofun · 04-06-2012, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Damian seems to know what inquiries content providers get. Is there no end to the man's vanity and egotistical thinking?

So, how much old man?

V_RocKs · 04-06-2012, 01:24 PM

Welcome back

venus · 04-06-2012, 01:58 PM

same here, when someone pulls that on me I walk away. Its your business, tell me how much and I will decide if its worth it to me. You know what you want for it so don't play games, do business.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JosephFM

I hate that "What are you willing to pay for it?" bullshit. You are the content producer, tell him how much it will cost and if he agrees good and if not, oh well.

Rochard · 04-06-2012, 02:14 PM

Paul doens't know Jack shit about the industry. He's a photographer. That's like saying someone knows about cars because they change a flat tire. Anyone can take pictures.

DeanCapture · 04-06-2012, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Paul doens't know Jack shit about the industry. He's a photographer.

Anyone can take pictures.

alias · 04-06-2012, 02:49 PM

Please tell us more.

Brujah · 04-06-2012, 03:46 PM

I wouldn't have even bothered to reply to an email that contained this:

"Hi JD, it all comes down to what you will pay for it."

Quit playing games and just come out with it. What do you have available, and what does it cost?

papill0n · 04-06-2012, 03:56 PM

this is what paul does

in his own mind he has taken page of insults and substituted it with us begging for his knowledge

DWB · 04-06-2012, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billywatson

Every single time I even take 15 seconds to reply to someone looking for content, their budget never comes close to the cost it takes to actually produce it...let alone pay myself anything.

That's why I quit talking to dudes like these in 2003.

QFT!!!!!!

DWB · 04-06-2012, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

That's what your friends think you do.

livexxx · 04-06-2012, 04:04 PM

idiot is as idiot does

429mg · 04-06-2012, 04:10 PM

Probably not much. If you ask him what he wants to pay, you can expect a low offer. You are the seller, you name your price.

marcop · 04-06-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

That monkey is using a Leica so he must be an artist.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 04-06-2012, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Ape Vigoda?

Who's your Papa(razzi)?

ADG

TrashyContent · 04-06-2012, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JosephFM

I hate that "What are you willing to pay for it?" bullshit. You are the content producer, tell him how much it will cost and if he agrees good and if not, oh well.

Which is what I was saying... so I aint sure if you was agreeing with me... or having a dig ?

Paul Markham · 04-06-2012, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAC

ban this fucking idiot for good

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Paul doens't know Jack shit about the industry. He's a photographer. That's like saying someone knows about cars because they change a flat tire. Anyone can take pictures.

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I'm disappointed you're back.

.

These morons opened a thread of a person they don't think has anything to offer and don't like. Read the the first post and probably more. Then took time to reply and bump it back to the top to ensure it doesn't die. AND THINK I'M THE DUMB ONE!!!

Ignore list just grew some more, many idiots in here.

Paul Markham · 04-06-2012, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billywatson

Every single time I even take 15 seconds to reply to someone looking for content, their budget never comes close to the cost it takes to actually produce it...let alone pay myself anything.

That's why I quit talking to dudes like these in 2003.

So did I, even stopped talking to big sponsors at parties because they wanted to pay, what to us was shit money. We could earn more on the store and never had a cash flow problem. We can wait a year for a return on a set and not worry about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninavain

I don't even shoot exclusive anymore..it's a waste of time to even discuss..like this thread

Another one who should think first before typing. I always thought giving away the fruits of our work for peanuts was a waste of time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus

same here, when someone pulls that on me I walk away. Its your business, tell me how much and I will decide if its worth it to me. You know what you want for it so don't play games, do business.

Me too. I don't have Asian girls so no point in me talking to him. I just wanted to see what this idiot had in mind to jump into the business at the Met Art level.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah

I wouldn't have even bothered to reply to an email that contained this:

"Hi JD, it all comes down to what you will pay for it."

Quit playing games and just come out with it. What do you have available, and what does it cost?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 429mg

Probably not much. If you ask him what he wants to pay, you can expect a low offer. You are the seller, you name your price.

Read the above.

Brujah · 04-06-2012, 09:14 PM

I don't care what they say about you Paul, it's good having you here.

travs · 04-06-2012, 09:19 PM

there's nothing permanent in this world except change

AmeliaG · 04-06-2012, 09:33 PM

It seems like it would be more effective to start threads where photographers say what they think would be a fair price. I know I started a thread asking some years back and got a lot of how-long-is-a-piece-of-string nonsense in reply: What are the current going rates for photo and video content?

As far as Met-Art style content goes, a lot of that is done with natural light and reflectors. The girl needs to be cute and fit and have a certain look, but I don't get what would be over-the-top crazy expensive about that.

Paul Markham · 04-06-2012, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radical Bucks

Content production and cost:

1) The models are now expecting much higher rates
2) The adult talent agents condone these outrageous rates
3) Too many programs pay the models way too much making it tougher for smaller and or up coming programs to hire and producer content.

Locations, misc expenses come into play as well which ad up real fast. If we stop paying the models $2,000 per shoot then maybe it will not be so damn hard to be able to produce content at a reasonable price for smaller programs.

Interesting post.

1) And you don't work for the highest price you can get.

2) See above.
3) As a successful shooter, when I came to Czech there were Germans coming here and paying 1/3 to 1/2 what we paid. Complaining to me about our rates of pay. Not my job to lower my prices so they could compete.

It's not my job to care about small people getting a foot onto the ladder. In fact keeping them off the ladder is the name of the game.

Some big programs should of thought the same when buying content. Paying peanuts they allowed others who could also pay peanuts to open a site and compete with them.

It's a business, not a social club.

Spunky · 04-06-2012, 10:23 PM

Son you disappoint

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AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,536	It seems like it would be more effective to start threads where photographers say what they think would be a fair price. I know I started a thread asking some years back and got a lot of how-long-is-a-piece-of-string nonsense in reply: What are the current going rates for photo and video content? As far as Met-Art style content goes, a lot of that is done with natural light and reflectors. The girl needs to be cute and fit and have a certain look, but I don't get what would be over-the-top crazy expensive about that. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

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