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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #1

    Why I am so disappointed in the way this industry moved..

    I got an inquiry recently for Content. Here are the emails we exchanged.

    1st
    Hi my name is JD. I'm looking for exclusive Asian glamour for my site. It's difficult to find. Can you help?
    My reply
    From: [email protected]
    To:
    Subject: Re: Asian glamour
    Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:08:00 +0200

    Hi JD, it all comes down to what you will pay for it.

    give me your rates.
    His reply without the price he would like to pay.
    Well I'm looking for high quality young and cute asian girls. Met Art style.
    My budget is open based on the quality, but ideally I'd like to stay at 3 sets with video for $???????????
    Take a guess what he wants to pay and think of it from my POV.

    Don't dismiss it with "He's an idiot." Because it shows many people's POV of the product we all try to sell today. Are we responsible in part for that?

    I will show you me reply later, post what you think his offer was.



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  • JFK
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    • Jan 2002
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    #2
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    • papill0n
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      • Oct 2007
      • 15547

      #3
      yes paul you are right

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      • Paul Markham
        Too old to care
        • Jun 2001
        • 52942

        #4
        Originally posted by JFK
        Cant wait to hear this one
        It will make many chuckle.

        Truth is the content he requires is available, nearly all things are possible. If you have the money.



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        • TubeSubmitters
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          • Aug 2006
          • 2683

          #5


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          • DamianJ
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            • Jul 2006
            • 15808

            #6
            Why would someone contact a retired teen photographer to shoot met art style asian girls? You couldn't shoot that style if your life depended on it.

            This whole thing is just another lie.

            Post proof of the emails, with headers, or it's just more Markham bullshit.

            At least make the lie credible man.

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            • Cherry7
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              • Aug 2005
              • 3564

              #7
              620+ VIDEOS + 2300+ IMAGE SETS $3,000 BLOW OUT.


              So three sets would cost ($3000/2300) x 3 = $4
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              • AllAboutCams
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                #8
                $10 am i right
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                • EddyTheDog
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                  • Jan 2011
                  • 25433

                  #9
                  I guess he has no idea of what 'exclusive' is if he says less than a few K. It would be ez to see 'exclusive' as meaning HQ.

                  Not everyone has been around as long as you Paul ...

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                  • Slappin Fish
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                    • Jul 2007
                    • 2512

                    #10
                    Cool story bro.

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                    • lazycash
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                      • Aug 2002
                      • 15214

                      #11
                      Come on man, you just got back.
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                      • 19teenporn
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                        • Apr 2011
                        • 3034

                        #12
                        Just leave man. Nobody cares about your opinion.

                        Nobody.

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                        • ottopottomouse
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                          • Jan 2010
                          • 13177

                          #13
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                          • DWB
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                            • Jul 2003
                            • 31779

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DamianJ
                            Why would someone contact a retired teen photographer to shoot met art style asian girls? You couldn't shoot that style if your life depended on it.

                            This whole thing is just another lie.

                            Post proof of the emails, with headers, or it's just more Markham bullshit.

                            At least make the lie credible man.
                            You'd be surprised the type of emails you get as a content producer. Most of them wanting content that has nothing to do with anything you've ever shot before.

                            I believe Paul on this one based on my own experiences with people probing for content.

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                            • MaDalton
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                              • Feb 2004
                              • 39861

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DWB
                              You'd be surprised the type of emails you get as a content producer. Most of them wanting content that has nothing to do with anything you've ever shot before.

                              I believe Paul on this one based on my own experiences with people probing for content.
                              i have to agree...

                              i get people asking me for custom ebony and asian content, even if my site clearly says located in Czech Republic and is 99.8% full of eastern european girls
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                              • TrashyContent
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                                • May 2008
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                                #16
                                Hmmm...

                                Did someone say content thread...

                                Yeah every one plays the "how much you want, how much you want to pay" game... why say how much you want to pay when the guy might do it cheaper... To me it's the content buyers responsibility to spec the job and come up with "THE PRICE"

                                Where does "What your willing to pay for it" come from ? Your the one playing the GAME Paul... he's told you what he wants, tell him how much it will cost, no ? You hoping he's going to say more than you want (UNLIKELY) all you've achieved by not telling him, is giving yourself the chance to come on here to moan your ass off about it... and bore the fuck out of everyone else !

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                                  #17
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                                  • L-Pink
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                                    • Mar 2005
                                    • 39151

                                    #18
                                    I'm disappointed you're back.

                                    .

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                                    • Supz
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                                      • Jul 2006
                                      • 11057

                                      #19
                                      because you are a senior citizen.

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                                      • Best-In-BC
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                                        #20
                                        Another Paul Thread, Yeah!
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                                        • globofun
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                                          • Aug 2005
                                          • 2651

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                          Take a guess what he wants to pay and think of it from my POV.


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                                          • JosephFM
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                                            • Feb 2010
                                            • 1190

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by TrashyContent
                                            Did someone say content thread...

                                            Yeah every one plays the "how much you want, how much you want to pay" game... why say how much you want to pay when the guy might do it cheaper... To me it's the content buyers responsibility to spec the job and come up with "THE PRICE"

                                            Where does "What your willing to pay for it" come from ? Your the one playing the GAME Paul... he's told you what he wants, tell him how much it will cost, no ? You hoping he's going to say more than you want (UNLIKELY) all you've achieved by not telling him, is giving yourself the chance to come on here to moan your ass off about it... and bore the fuck out of everyone else !

                                            Winning hey Paul ? You really are CHarlie Sheen !
                                            I hate that "What are you willing to pay for it?" bullshit. You are the content producer, tell him how much it will cost and if he agrees good and if not, oh well.

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                                            • billywatson
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                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 3281

                                              #23
                                              Every single time I even take 15 seconds to reply to someone looking for content, their budget never comes close to the cost it takes to actually produce it...let alone pay myself anything.

                                              That's why I quit talking to dudes like these in 2003.

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                                              • Fat Panda
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                                                • Aug 2006
                                                • 13296

                                                #24
                                                ban this fucking idiot for good

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                                                • ninavain
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                  • 6268

                                                  #25
                                                  I don't even shoot exclusive anymore..it's a waste of time to even discuss..like this thread

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                                                  • Coup
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                                                    • Apr 2010
                                                    • 9931

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by papill0n
                                                    yes paul you are right
                                                    Originally posted by DamianJ
                                                    Why would someone contact a retired teen photographer to shoot met art style asian girls? You couldn't shoot that style if your life depended on it.

                                                    This whole thing is just another lie.

                                                    Post proof of the emails, with headers, or it's just more Markham bullshit.

                                                    At least make the lie credible man.
                                                    Originally posted by Cherry7
                                                    620+ VIDEOS + 2300+ IMAGE SETS $3,000 BLOW OUT.


                                                    So three sets would cost ($3000/2300) x 3 = $4
                                                    Originally posted by Slappin Fish
                                                    Cool story bro.
                                                    Originally posted by lazycash
                                                    Come on man, you just got back.
                                                    Originally posted by 19teenporn
                                                    Just leave man. Nobody cares about your opinion.

                                                    Nobody.
                                                    Originally posted by ottopottomouse
                                                    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
                                                    Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                    I'm disappointed you're back.

                                                    .
                                                    Originally posted by Supz
                                                    because you are a senior citizen.
                                                    Originally posted by Best-In-BC
                                                    Another Paul Thread, Yeah!
                                                    Originally posted by SAC
                                                    ban this fucking idiot for good
                                                    All this, and much.. much more

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                                                    • Radical Bucks
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Dec 2011
                                                      • 673

                                                      #27
                                                      Content production and cost:

                                                      1) The models are now expecting much higher rates
                                                      2) The adult talent agents condone these outrageous rates
                                                      3) Too many programs pay the models way too much making it tougher for smaller and or up coming programs to hire and producer content.

                                                      Locations, misc expenses come into play as well which ad up real fast. If we stop paying the models $2,000 per shoot then maybe it will not be so damn hard to be able to produce content at a reasonable price for smaller programs.
                                                      Last edited by Radical Bucks; 04-06-2012, 11:54 AM.

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                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                        Too old to care
                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                        • 52942

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                        i have to agree...

                                                        i get people asking me for custom ebony and asian content, even if my site clearly says located in Czech Republic and is 99.8% full of eastern european girls
                                                        Damian seems to know what inquiries content providers get. Is there no end to the man's vanity and egotistical thinking?



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                                                        • globofun
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                                                          • Aug 2005
                                                          • 2651

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                          Damian seems to know what inquiries content providers get. Is there no end to the man's vanity and egotistical thinking?
                                                          So, how much old man?
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                                                          • V_RocKs
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                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                            • 32447

                                                            #30
                                                            Welcome back

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                                                            • venus
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                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                              • 3112

                                                              #31
                                                              same here, when someone pulls that on me I walk away. Its your business, tell me how much and I will decide if its worth it to me. You know what you want for it so don't play games, do business.

                                                              Originally posted by JosephFM
                                                              I hate that "What are you willing to pay for it?" bullshit. You are the content producer, tell him how much it will cost and if he agrees good and if not, oh well.
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                                                              • Rochard
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                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                • 75733

                                                                #32
                                                                Paul doens't know Jack shit about the industry. He's a photographer. That's like saying someone knows about cars because they change a flat tire. Anyone can take pictures.
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                                                                • DeanCapture
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                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                  • 9275

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                  Paul doens't know Jack shit about the industry. He's a photographer.

                                                                  Anyone can take pictures.
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                                                                  • alias
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                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                    • 19010

                                                                    #34
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                                                                    • Brujah
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                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                      • 22157

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I wouldn't have even bothered to reply to an email that contained this:

                                                                      "Hi JD, it all comes down to what you will pay for it."

                                                                      Quit playing games and just come out with it. What do you have available, and what does it cost?

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                                                                      • papill0n
                                                                        Unregistered Abuser
                                                                        • Oct 2007
                                                                        • 15547

                                                                        #36
                                                                        this is what paul does


                                                                        in his own mind he has taken page of insults and substituted it with us begging for his knowledge

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                                                                        • DWB
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                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                          • 31779

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by billywatson
                                                                          Every single time I even take 15 seconds to reply to someone looking for content, their budget never comes close to the cost it takes to actually produce it...let alone pay myself anything.

                                                                          That's why I quit talking to dudes like these in 2003.
                                                                          QFT!!!!!!

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                                                                          • DWB
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                                                                            • Jul 2003
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by DeanCapture
                                                                            That's what your friends think you do.

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                                                                            • livexxx
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                                                                              #39
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                                                                              • 429mg
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Probably not much. If you ask him what he wants to pay, you can expect a low offer. You are the seller, you name your price.
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                                                                                • marcop
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                                                                                  • Nov 2005
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by DeanCapture
                                                                                  That monkey is using a Leica so he must be an artist.

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                                                                                  • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by DeanCapture

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                                                                                    • TrashyContent
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Hmmm...

                                                                                      Originally posted by JosephFM
                                                                                      I hate that "What are you willing to pay for it?" bullshit. You are the content producer, tell him how much it will cost and if he agrees good and if not, oh well.
                                                                                      Which is what I was saying... so I aint sure if you was agreeing with me... or having a dig ?

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                                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                        • 52942

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by SAC
                                                                                        ban this fucking idiot for good
                                                                                        Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                        Paul doens't know Jack shit about the industry. He's a photographer. That's like saying someone knows about cars because they change a flat tire. Anyone can take pictures.
                                                                                        Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                        I'm disappointed you're back.

                                                                                        .

                                                                                        These morons opened a thread of a person they don't think has anything to offer and don't like. Read the the first post and probably more. Then took time to reply and bump it back to the top to ensure it doesn't die. AND THINK I'M THE DUMB ONE!!!

                                                                                        Ignore list just grew some more, many idiots in here.



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                                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                          • 52942

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by billywatson
                                                                                          Every single time I even take 15 seconds to reply to someone looking for content, their budget never comes close to the cost it takes to actually produce it...let alone pay myself anything.

                                                                                          That's why I quit talking to dudes like these in 2003.
                                                                                          So did I, even stopped talking to big sponsors at parties because they wanted to pay, what to us was shit money. We could earn more on the store and never had a cash flow problem. We can wait a year for a return on a set and not worry about it.

                                                                                          Originally posted by ninavain
                                                                                          I don't even shoot exclusive anymore..it's a waste of time to even discuss..like this thread
                                                                                          Another one who should think first before typing. I always thought giving away the fruits of our work for peanuts was a waste of time.

                                                                                          Originally posted by venus
                                                                                          same here, when someone pulls that on me I walk away. Its your business, tell me how much and I will decide if its worth it to me. You know what you want for it so don't play games, do business.
                                                                                          Me too. I don't have Asian girls so no point in me talking to him. I just wanted to see what this idiot had in mind to jump into the business at the Met Art level.

                                                                                          Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                          I wouldn't have even bothered to reply to an email that contained this:

                                                                                          "Hi JD, it all comes down to what you will pay for it."

                                                                                          Quit playing games and just come out with it. What do you have available, and what does it cost?
                                                                                          Originally posted by 429mg
                                                                                          Probably not much. If you ask him what he wants to pay, you can expect a low offer. You are the seller, you name your price.
                                                                                          Read the above.



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                                                                                          • Brujah
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                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 22157

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I don't care what they say about you Paul, it's good having you here.

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                                                                                            • travs
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                                                                                              • Jul 2003
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              there's nothing permanent in this world except change

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                                                                                              • AmeliaG
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                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                • 10662

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                It seems like it would be more effective to start threads where photographers say what they think would be a fair price. I know I started a thread asking some years back and got a lot of how-long-is-a-piece-of-string nonsense in reply: What are the current going rates for photo and video content?

                                                                                                As far as Met-Art style content goes, a lot of that is done with natural light and reflectors. The girl needs to be cute and fit and have a certain look, but I don't get what would be over-the-top crazy expensive about that.
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                                                                                                • Paul Markham
                                                                                                  Too old to care
                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                  • 52942

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Radical Bucks
                                                                                                  Content production and cost:

                                                                                                  1) The models are now expecting much higher rates
                                                                                                  2) The adult talent agents condone these outrageous rates
                                                                                                  3) Too many programs pay the models way too much making it tougher for smaller and or up coming programs to hire and producer content.

                                                                                                  Locations, misc expenses come into play as well which ad up real fast. If we stop paying the models $2,000 per shoot then maybe it will not be so damn hard to be able to produce content at a reasonable price for smaller programs.
                                                                                                  Interesting post.

                                                                                                  1) And you don't work for the highest price you can get.
                                                                                                  2) See above.
                                                                                                  3) As a successful shooter, when I came to Czech there were Germans coming here and paying 1/3 to 1/2 what we paid. Complaining to me about our rates of pay. Not my job to lower my prices so they could compete.

                                                                                                  It's not my job to care about small people getting a foot onto the ladder. In fact keeping them off the ladder is the name of the game.

                                                                                                  Some big programs should of thought the same when buying content. Paying peanuts they allowed others who could also pay peanuts to open a site and compete with them.

                                                                                                  It's a business, not a social club.



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                                                                                                  • Spunky
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                                                                                                    • Jun 2002
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Son you disappoint

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