That monkey is using a Leica so he must be an artist.

Ape Vigoda?

http://pdxretro.com/wp-content/uploa...main_thumb.jpg

Who's your Papa(razzi)?

ADG

Hmmm...
 

Which is what I was saying... so I aint sure if you was agreeing with me... or having a dig ? :helpme

These morons opened a thread of a person they don't think has anything to offer and don't like. Read the the first post and probably more. Then took time to reply and bump it back to the top to ensure it doesn't die. AND THINK I'M THE DUMB ONE!!! :upsidedow

Ignore list just grew some more, many idiots in here.

So did I, even stopped talking to big sponsors at parties because they wanted to pay, what to us was shit money. We could earn more on the store and never had a cash flow problem. We can wait a year for a return on a set and not worry about it.

Another one who should think first before typing. I always thought giving away the fruits of our work for peanuts was a waste of time.

Me too. I don't have Asian girls so no point in me talking to him. I just wanted to see what this idiot had in mind to jump into the business at the Met Art level.

Read the above.

I don't care what they say about you Paul, it's good having you here.

there's nothing permanent in this world except change

It seems like it would be more effective to start threads where photographers say what they think would be a fair price. I know I started a thread asking some years back and got a lot of how-long-is-a-piece-of-string nonsense in reply: What are the current going rates for photo and video content?

As far as Met-Art style content goes, a lot of that is done with natural light and reflectors. The girl needs to be cute and fit and have a certain look, but I don't get what would be over-the-top crazy expensive about that.

Interesting post.

1) And you don't work for the highest price you can get. :Oh crap
2) See above.
3) As a successful shooter, when I came to Czech there were Germans coming here and paying 1/3 to 1/2 what we paid. Complaining to me about our rates of pay. Not my job to lower my prices so they could compete.

It's not my job to care about small people getting a foot onto the ladder. In fact keeping them off the ladder is the name of the game.

Some big programs should of thought the same when buying content. Paying peanuts they allowed others who could also pay peanuts to open a site and compete with them.

It's a business, not a social club.

Son you disappoint

I would not see the problem as models. As with the Paul Markham shoot, the Model took only a few hundred dollars and PM took $2500. What value did he add to the shoot compared to the model?

Models are the most important element and yet have the least power and wealth.

If a photographer wants to get paid good money he should show the ability to add value in making good unique different exciting pictures.

So I told this guy about $1,000 a scene and upwards. Based on;

Cute Asian teens are hard to find for nude work. If you find them, you have a little goldmine, so selling them for top dollar.

Met Art has some various shooters, some not so sharp and some top dogs. I assumed he was taking top dog Met Art. These guys don't need to work cheap, they have clients who have money.

3 scenes $3,000

His original offer was $250 a scene. not even ATK at their worse prices.

The point is and those who shoot content will understand. These idiots are often already in the business some way. They just have no concept of what it costs to shoot decent content.

Yes I know anyone can point a camera. Like anyone can drive traffic. To earn a really good living takes skills.

Yes I know I wasted my time, like those who posted it before, wasting their time. And the people who will post again wasting their time. :winkwink:

Yes, you are correct.

The world is filled with talentless hacks who can "take pictures."

Not everyone can create images others are willing to break out their wallet for.

Anyone can take pictures. Always was dead easy.

Anyone can drive traffic.

Anyone can submit a gallery.

Nothing in this business is really hard, except the cocks I hope.

It's doing any of the above and earning a good living that's the hard part. :thumbsup

You've done OK Paul. You own your own house in a village outside Brno in Czechland, you have your own car. That must be about, what, 25k USD together?

Not bad for 35 years work.

Well done!

I am disappointed they unbanned you.

http://baldbastard.com/pmh.jpg

:P

Paul why dont you just write an ebook on adult photography, and then hook up with someone on here to market it for you.

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Taxes and death.

Because it would be a handbook for any perv to get girls. Thought about that as the inquiries started to come in from the blog.

I'm doing a couple of things at the moment and doing some blogging, check out my porn story in 30 minutes.

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no one gives a fuck you stupid old retard.

:1orglaugh

Forgot to mention. Great photo job. I approve.

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I see you still have stolen content on that.

:(

That was a pretty good read, wish you went into the 1960's porn post a little more though.

Thanks for the comment. The bulk of the book is in Word on my computer. Spoke to a customer of ours who buys images for his E Books and he has put me onto a better way of making money with writing than giving it away in a blog.

It could not have been stopped. This is exactly how a free market works. You are postulating with the benefit of hindsight and it does absolutely no good. Because no one could have controlled the access of amateurs to digital tools, cheap Internet and the changing morales of young hot women. Remember Paul, back in the day, porn actresses were not so pretty. Now it seems as though every woman on the planet is nude on the Internet somewhere.
Before the Internet, there were magazines and film. Then things were somewhat more controllable, but that's all gone now. Exclusive content is only exclusive to the person that has seen it all, and he/she doesn't exist.

Here is what I learned from this thread:

Don't hit PM up for Asian Glamour content cause even content he doesn't have is too expensive.

Paul Markham: "Anyone can drive traffic...."

Um, no.

Kandah - TheDuck was selling 1000videos for $20 remember?

Did he teach you not to steal the images, like you currently do for your blog?

Is this the same guy that was going to publish your ebook?

What happened to that deal?

:)

Not many people can even produce "Met Art style" content.

So I would say both parties will be let down..

Shooter by $
Buyer by quality

Yes anyone can point a camera at a naked girl. And that market is flooded, saturated and largely worth very little to most of the individuals. Shooters, affiliates or site owners. Yes some make a living. And some make a very good living.

the flaw in your argument is obvious. Until 2008 there was still a number of magazines to sell to paying $600 to $3,000 a set non exclusive. so every guy coming out of your sector of "amateurs" who were suddenly able to find hot new models and shooting them for ATK for $300 a set and video exclusive. Was either a fool or lacking something.

Even the great Dean Capture couldn't dream of earning $3,000 from a single solo girl set that he still would own and still earn a living from. So is he a fool or not able to rise to where I was very successful?

Then there are sites like Met Art, sites at the top of the tree that couldn't source the product from anyone with a digital camera and access to a few hot girls. Yet when they did, they had a product that wasn't cloned on 100s or even 1,000s of sites.

OK with enough practice anyone can pull out a few decent images from a set. Stick them on GFY and have everyone thinking they are great shooters. Yet how many can put a scene together like this?

http://www.saboom.com/en/stars/ferre...e-minishow_434

How many can afford to pay Madalton the money to shoot that?

How many can get a hot girl who is there for the money, thinks the shooter is a perv, get her to act like she thinks he's hot and pull out the performance that makes the viewer think she's worth the price of a membership?

That's the flaw in MisterPeabody's debate. Anyone can drive traffic. How many can drive enough.

Otherwise how do I sell content and memberships?

Anyone can tae a picture or video.
Anyone can drive traffic.
Anyone can use Photoshop.

The trick is doing it well enough to retire at 58. Yes I know it was late, but I was seeing naked girls every day, not a keyboard and screen. :1orglaugh

I love it when you try and troll Capture.

Fucking funny stuff Paulie.

Yes, you are miles better than him. Lol.

I suppose from a content producer's point of view you would be correct. Those days are over now. The big guys have their own inhouse production, there are still a few pros and there aren't the sites like there used to be. Some porn shops like NastyDollars or BangBros have their style of shooting using Nikon AK47's. Others, and a very successful niche to boot, relies on girls self-shooting with cell phones and handhelds.
The cat is out of the bag, the horse has left the barn and nothing is going to change any of that. No one on GFY is going share not one shred of their hard-earned knowledge with anyone else. It has to be stolen when published, then duplicated. Why? Because that is the working model for most of the webmasters out there now. I'm sure there are a lot of hard working webmasters that have found avenues of income beyond the convention website. I know I have and I think it will carry me very well into retirement. Looking back though, isn't going to make any money for me because there is not much to learn from, basically a 15 year old Internet. The market changed right under you and me. You should have done very well and I hope you did. Some of the information you share, Paul, would have benefited me very well 10-12 years ago, so thanks for that. LOL
I suppose, GFY bozos not withstanding, provoking discourse does keep things fresh and interesting and, at least, gets people thinking (good or bad).

I think we have to remember that porn is porn and art is art. Then there is Porn-Art which is a niche. Porn without the art is much, much bigger on the Internet because pretty much everyone is looking to bust a nut and when you are jacking off, you could care less about Photoshop, lingerie and some moke's villa on the Med.

We had such a short window to make money. In 2007 the cost of B/W started to dive and the "Give it away free to sell traffic" guys had won. Prior to 2000 we were a cottage industry, speeds were low, hosting and B/W expensive and the penetration of online was yet to burst.Yes a few did make good money, because they were the few.

Then the "Anyone can do this." age was upon us. Anyone with a computer could drive traffic, anyone with PS could design a banner, TGPs were simple for those with a schoolboys knowledge of HTML and yes everyone with a digital camera could find a girl to get naked and produced what computer geeks who would fuck anything with a heartbeat thought was porn.

The people who were not so convinced were the porn buyers. Yes 10,000s were looking at galleries, but views to sales were a disgrace, clicks to sales were nothing to be shouted about. Only the foolish would boast converting 1% of the people who went through a tour after being qualified as interested to come and see it after viewing a gallery.

It didn't matter. 100,000s were coming online and it was all so easy.

The problem with the "anyone can do it" approach is they all compete with each other. Met Art level never did, because not everyone could shoot the content. Like this content not everyone can think it out, put it down on paper, direct it, shoot it, market it and above all afford it. Look at this through the eyes of a DVD produce rand the response will be "So what's so great about it?" It's good of the same level of so money porn producers in the DVD world.

Misterpeabody, if you can do something a 1,000 others can't and appeals to the customer, you don't NEED to be great at driving traffic. If you produce something that 1,000 others can produce, then getting 10,000s to view a sample, some to think of looking at the tour and a tiny number bother to get their card out. Traffic is king.

And if you can't afford to invest in a product that sells itself, then traffic is the name of the game. How much of the content on your sites do you own?

Why am I always reminding people of the past? Anyone who had had to suffer the insults from dwarfs that I had to has the earned the right to tell them they fucked up and were not so clever. Yes they understood how to give away free porn. That was all they understood. They made giving away free porn an art in itself. :upsidedow

What is going on in Markham's house? Does your wife refuse to speak to you? To do anything with you? Is Brno that boring a place?

WTF are you doing writing this drivel day after day as if your life depended on it, as if it mattered. Don't you have any Czech friends you can chat with doen the local beer house. You do speak Czech don't you? After so many years...Czech wife, all those girls...you have to be a complete sad retard not to speak the lingo.

You made money on mags, it was great, you were the man. We get it.

But I think its a step in the right when we stop talentless pornographers from earning more than doctors.