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Paul Markham 04-10-2012 08:37 AM

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Cherry7 04-10-2012 08:54 AM

I do think that Models should be respected and be paid a fair wage. I would also like to see them organize and have more power in the industry.

If a shoot requires little resources to produce, the cost is low and the product will have low value.

If we add value to the product to make it more attractive, more sexy, unique and exclusive, we make it more valuable and sought after.

So we

Select Models
Script Productions
use
Professional Lighting
Professional Cameras
Professional Sound
use
professional crew (like wot works in TV and film proper )
Buy Clothing and Sets
Edit Film
Add sound effects
Compose Music to Picture
Mix sound tracks to Stereo or 5,1 sound


Paul Markham does not have the understanding, knowledge or ability to add value to his product, and this is why it has little value. The value back in the day was that he had access to naked pretty girls and others didn't.

Paul Markham 04-10-2012 10:00 AM

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porno jew 04-10-2012 10:01 AM

you are such a knob.

DamianJ 04-10-2012 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18876899)
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I am starting a book that you will reply to one of the three people, proving your fictious ignore list is just one of your many and varied lies.

24 hours
36 hours
48 hours
1 week

Any takers?

CaptainHowdy 04-10-2012 10:10 AM

Paul gets the "views", you gotta give him that ...

B.Barnato 04-10-2012 10:15 AM

http://i.imgur.com/RkEpV.jpg

DamianJ 04-10-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18876929)
Paul gets the "views", you gotta give him that ...

I think any mental, broke, retard trying to do something difficult they have no experience in doing whilst claiming they are amazingly rich and experts in that area would get views.

MrBottomTooth 04-10-2012 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18876929)
Paul gets the "views", you gotta give him that ...

So did guys like sexeducation.

Paul Markham 04-10-2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18876929)
Paul gets the "views", you gotta give him that ...

No you have to thank all my stalkers telling me how useless I am.

Damian works from home and masquerades as a marketing man.

Cherry7, his models will tell you why they look so bored on his shoots. He's just spent 30 minutes trying to impress them with how clever he is. He doesn't realise the girls he's trying to impress have been shot by real photographers. And know he's a dumb ass amateur.

Porno Jew, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?

Squealer, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?

papill0n, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?

Freaky_Akula, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?

B.Barnato, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?

So many people on here fall into the, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is? Category.

Without them my threads would be a lot smaller. so I love them. Having them on ignore makes it sweet as well. :thumbsup

B.Barnato 04-10-2012 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18877001)
B.Barnato, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?

B.Barnato
VP of Mergers and Acquisitions
Paul Markham Content Store

ottopottomouse 04-10-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by B.Barnato (Post 18876704)
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:1orglaugh

DamianJ 04-10-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18877001)
Damian works from home and masquerades as a marketing man.

Rather that then be a broke, bitter liar stealing money from two governments whilst sending his wife out to work as a secretary to pay the bills.

Anyway, was it just another lie when you said you wouldn't be coming back here because you weren't bothered and everyone here was an idiot?

lolsome.

Cherry7 04-10-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18877001)
Cherry7, his models will tell you why they look so bored on his shoots. He's just spent 30 minutes trying to impress them with how clever he is. He doesn't realise the girls he's trying to impress have been shot by real photographers. And know he's a dumb ass amateur.

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/Miho_gun.jpg

"Oh I hate these dumb ass amateurs, I wish Paul Markham had not retired"

Jakez 04-10-2012 01:25 PM

Stalkers lol. Don't act like you don't love the attention. And I'm not talking about thread bumps.

Paul Markham 04-10-2012 09:25 PM

My stalkers are busy

Porno Jew, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?

Squealer, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?

papill0n, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?

Freaky_Akula, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?

B.Barnato, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?


Add

ottopottomouse, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?


Jakez, does anyone have a clue what he does or who he is?


This lists keeps growing.

BettingHandle 04-11-2012 01:36 AM

bump for Paul

Roald 04-11-2012 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18876337)

It's to show the person on ignore they are wasting their time with you.

Sounds like a waste of time to me :2 cents:

papill0n 04-11-2012 01:53 AM

im on my own ignore list

CurrentlySober 04-11-2012 01:59 AM

I usually stay out of these threads, but I feel today, I have something relevant to say...

I'm going to an event near Brighton this weekend - Back in January, I was given the numbers of 3 Hotels, that were nearby, and recommended by the event organiser.

I called them up and asked how much a night for 3 nights on these dates?

Hotel A said £55 a night
Hotel B said £110 a night
Hotel C said £170 a night

I booked at Hotel B, cause I didn't want to try and stay at the cheapest, and poss have a shitty room, and nor did I want to stay at the most expensive, and throw extra money away on people calling me sir, with phoney airs and graces...

The point I'm making, is that I had NO IDEA of price, so I asked and I was told. Then I was able to make an informed decision...

NOT ONE OF THE HOTELS ASKED ME HOW MUCH I COULD AFFORD TO SPEND, OR WHAT MY BUDGET WAS...





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CurrentlySober 04-11-2012 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18878627)
I usually stay out of these threads, but I feel today, I have something relevant to say...

I'm going to an event near Brighton this weekend - Back in January, I was given the numbers of 3 Hotels, that were nearby, and recommended by the event organiser, who had NO IDEA of my budget...

I called them up and asked how much a night for 3 nights on these dates?

Hotel A said £55 a night
Hotel B said £110 a night
Hotel C said £170 a night

I booked at Hotel B, cause I didn't want to try and stay at the cheapest, and poss have a shitty room, and nor did I want to stay at the most expensive, and throw extra money away on people calling me sir, with phoney airs and graces...

The point I'm making, is that I had NO IDEA of price, so I asked and I was told. Then I was able to make an informed decision...

NOT ONE OF THE HOTELS ASKED ME HOW MUCH I COULD AFFORD TO SPEND, OR WHAT MY BUDGET WAS...





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Paul - As you normally say - Comments please?

Paul Markham 04-11-2012 02:31 AM

It's easy for a person who was in porn prior to online taking it over, to be disappointed.

1995 given what the Internet had to offer, the future should of been great.

With world wide access, direct to peoples homes, places of work, 24/7/365. The prospect for smaller producers to go direct to customers at a low price, the ease of publishing porn. With new technologies and speed of the Internet stepping up all the time.

What could possibly go wrong?

We now know. It was too easy and the entry level was dropped to a level where a "marketing man". displays on his site, why not to do business with him.

Or a person masquerading as an "erotic film maker" is clearly not.

And 1,000s think they sell and market porn because they can get 1,000s to millions on their site and send a tiny % to a website where an even smaller % spend money. Al the time giving away the biggest deterrent to actually spending money on porn.

Who thought in 1995 we would be mostly using recorded porn to sell ad space?

Disappointing? Yes given what we could of achieved.

Paul Markham 04-11-2012 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18878666)
Paul - As you normally say - Comments please?

The person you were speaking to wasn't selling the hotel room. He was taking an order.

he was basically an order taker, filling in a form. someone who was "selling" the hotel would ask questions that related to what he had to offer without revealing the price. something like this.

We have a beautiful Presidential suite that has a bedroom, lounge with a dining table and chairs for 4, leather sofa with two armchairs and a jacuzzi with a sauna. Plus bath, shower and separate toilet. It's excellent for entertaining people and also offers superb views of the sea.

A bit over the top, still it shows what a salesman does and an order taker does. Obviously the speech can be shortened and for other rooms it would go down in scale.

A salesman doesn't ask for budget before selling his product/services.

The above is basic selling and marketing. :winkwink:

So way over Damian's head. :thumbsup

Still for £170 a night I'm sure you're not staying at the Savoy. :winkwink:

CurrentlySober 04-11-2012 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18878677)
The person you were speaking to wasn't selling the hotel room. He was taking an order.

he was basically an order taker, filling in a form. someone who was "selling" the hotel would ask questions that related to what he had to offer without revealing the price. something like this.

We have a beautiful Presidential suite that has a bedroom, lounge with a dining table and chairs for 4, leather sofa with two armchairs and a jacuzzi with a sauna. Plus bath, shower and separate toilet. It's excellent for entertaining people and also offers superb views of the sea.

A bit over the top, still it shows what a salesman does and an order taker does. Obviously the speech can be shortened and for other rooms it would go down in scale.

A salesman doesn't ask for budget before selling his product/services.

The above is basic selling and marketing. :winkwink:

So way over Damian's head. :thumbsup

Still for £170 a night I'm sure you're not staying at the Savoy. :winkwink:

Well, OK... I guess I'll give you that. :thumbsup

DamianJ 04-11-2012 03:10 AM

How many times do you think anyone in a hotel would ever say to anyone "how much do you want to spend"?

Paul Markham 04-11-2012 03:16 AM

There are other ways of selling. Asking the prospective customer what he needs the product for. This can be done many ways depending on what you're selling.

Asking an open question, which is one that can't be answered with a yes or no.

For instance a hotel clerk might ask what you need the room for, with a convention in town that's an obvious question.

Often in this business asking someone his budget will tell you whether the guy is an idiot or has a clue. Especially the guy the OP was about.

Now to online porn.

The most important thing about selling a repeat sale product, where the loyalty of the buyer to the brand and mode of purchase is paramount. Is customer satisfaction. It's not traffic even though getting a customer is important, it does not pip keeping him buying.

Therefore once he hits the affiliates site, he needs to see something that is different, outstanding and fills him with the desire to see more. I'm assuming he's hit the niche/style he likes.

Then when he hits the site the expectations need to be met and surpassed by the content on the tour, not the design, layout, join buttons or text. He's buying porn and the most important thing is the product, then the design, layout, join buttons and text.

If he sees something he's seen a 1,000 times before, he's likely to move on. If on the other hand he sees something different or new or better, etc. Than he's seen before, he's more likely to buy.

Once he has bought if he's inside a site that surpasses others he's joined. The site has a far better chance of retaining him or coming back in a few month for more.

This you will see form your buying habits, in the malls that you go to, shops, supermarkets you buy from and the products that are always your favorite.

There's absolutely nothing that's rocket science here.

Online porn thought they could break these rules and give away tones of free porn to send people to sites that converted badly and retained worse. Yet they called it great, so selling to 1-100s and keeping them a few months became great. :upsidedow

Now it's 1-1,000 and retention is dropping and you see what the customers think of it. but we still think all is fine, so not to worry. All we need is more traffic.

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18878687)
Well, OK... I guess I'll give you that. :thumbsup

Thank you.

I see our very own marketing man is in here with his sage advice. The guy who's blog open with a reason not to do business with him.

Quote:

Sorry if you are getting comment spam with this URL in.

It?s not me doing it. I imagine it is a man called Marion who pretends to be girls on forums whom I outed and got banned from GFY recently. He is clearly trying to get my sites blacklisted for spamming. However, it doesn?t impact me at all as I get very little type in traffic. It?s all direct links.

So, just let akismet do it?s thing, and we can all move on!
= I have a stalker and he does't like me. And I can't put up a blog.

I've told him that this is wrong, but he clearly knows better. :1orglaugh

CurrentlySober 04-11-2012 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18878677)

A salesman doesn't ask for budget before selling his product/services.

Wait ! (I have just re-read your post a few times...)

But... Isn't that exactly what you did, though???

CurrentlySober 04-11-2012 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18878677)

A salesman doesn't ask for budget before selling his product/services.

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18878714)
Wait ! (I have just re-read your post a few times...)

But... Isn't that exactly what you did, though???

Next Page?

JFK RESPECT!

DamianJ 04-11-2012 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18878714)
Wait ! (I have just re-read your post a few times...)

But... Isn't that exactly what you did, though???

Are you just realising Paul lies and posts utter contradictory bullshit to goad responses out of people?

CurrentlySober 04-11-2012 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18878723)
Are you just realising Paul lies and posts utter contradictory bullshit to goad responses out of people?

Dont be so silly, you silly sausage you!

Paul is a VERY respected person in this industry - Much more than you yourself are!

I want to learn from Paul - I listen - I read - I (Unlike you) DONT Troll...

But when Paul says something I dont understand, I feel I need to question him - I NEED to understand..

PS: I'm travelling to Brighton on Friday, via your town, so shall I stop my MX5, so as we can both have a quick bum?

Serious question?

DamianJ 04-11-2012 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18878727)
Dont be so silly, you silly sausage you!

Paul is a VERY respected person in this industry - Much more than you yourself are!

I want to learn from Paul - I listen - I read - I (Unlike you) DONT Troll...

But when Paul says something I dont understand, I feel I need to question him - I NEED to understand..

All you need to understand is that no hotel, ever in the existence of mankind has ever said to anyone "How much do you want to pay" and Paul is just trolling.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18878727)
PS: I'm travelling to Brighton on Friday, via your town, so shall I stop my MX5, so as we can both have a quick bum?

Serious question?

Sadly I'm in London on Friday, having a meeting with magician David Britland (who created The Real Hustle and writes a great deal for Derren Brown) to discuss some marketing work I'm doing on a project for him.

I can leave a key under the mat and you can let yourself in for a shit though?

CurrentlySober 04-11-2012 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18878734)

I can leave a key under the mat and you can let yourself in for a shit though?

OR... I could pop in on the way back? After visiting Gary n Nat on the 16th???

Needs as must, etc....

Paul Markham 04-11-2012 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18878714)
Wait ! (I have just re-read your post a few times...)

But... Isn't that exactly what you did, though???

I qualified why I did it and in this situation it was right.

This situation was purely to find out what this guy thought it could be shot for. I've had the same situation at shows where people wanted me to shoot something that wasn't just your normal ATK level of porn, Stuff that's churned out for a price. Well it used to be.

For instance, Perfect Gonzo or Party Hardcore. To shoot this type of porn costs money. PG around $1,000+ a scene, PH anything around $25,000 a scene. The person asking obviously wanted something to match what he had seen. An obvious question would be "What's your budget?"

He's set out his requirements, so I can ask his budget and cut the conversation short or take him to the lounge to sit down ans sell to him what we can do for him.

Damian is a cut and paste merchant. The art of marketing and selling isn't copying the basic guidelines. It's adapting them to the individual needs.

Damian's ideas are to take a picture of me with a gun to a dogs head and some text. My customers are repeat buyers, they only need to know what the offer is or the new content. Same as going to see an editor. He knew what we shot and all he needed to see was a few pics of the girl. No selling at all once he knew us and the same should be applied to emailing ex members. If you did a good job in the first place. All you need to do is remind him you're still around and have some new content for him.

DamianJ 04-11-2012 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18878756)
Damian's ideas are to take a picture of me with a gun to a dogs head and some text. My customers are repeat buyers, they only need to know what the offer is or the new content. Same as going to see an editor. He knew what we shot and all he needed to see was a few pics of the girl. No selling at all once he knew us and the same should be applied to emailing ex members. If you did a good job in the first place. All you need to do is remind him you're still around and have some new content for him.

Split test one of the half dozen ideas I gave you with your badly designed, badly written amateur email and if mine gets less opens and clicks I will cut my cock off live on webcam.

CurrentlySober 04-11-2012 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18878756)
I qualified why I did it and in this situation it was right.

Nahh... Thats cool... I just thought that you had spent most of the tread, explaining that YOU were a salesman...

My bad...

Paul Markham 04-11-2012 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18878764)
Nahh... Thats cool... I just thought that you had spent most of the tread, explaining that YOU were a salesman...

My bad...

Once a salesman, always a salesman. :1orglaugh

CurrentlySober 04-11-2012 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18878734)
Sadly I'm in London on Friday, having a meeting with magician David Britland (who created The Real Hustle and writes a great deal for Derren Brown) to discuss some marketing work I'm doing on a project for him.

So, in otherwords, you consider THAT to be a priority over some 'Up-The-Bum-Fun' between us?

Well FUCK YOU (ANALY) !!!!11111oneoneone

Thats THE Last chance YOU shall get to suck my todger.. !

CurrentlySober 04-11-2012 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18878787)
Once a salesman, always a salesman. :1orglaugh

I Still dont understand Paul - Seriously - I've never trolled your threads. I have had breakfast with you, and we have exchanged emails...

I WANT to learn from you... So please dont speak in riddles?


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