you are so fucked in the head its not even funny anymore

It's the end of life crisis for an unremarkable person and an unremarkable career.

You see this in gyms a lot. The 65 year old guy lifting 5 times the weight he should be by throwing his body around like he's having a seizure and doing it all wrong - just to prove he's still got it... NEVER understanding that everyone is really just looking at the guy thinking "holy shit, what a moron,... I can't believe this idiot hasn't broke his back yet". In his mind and evident by the grin of satisfaction these guys usually have, he thinks everyone is in awe of him, though no one ever is.

In Pauls case, 34 years in the biz ended in him failing miserably and being forgotten. His content was always nothing special and only sold as filler content to small players. Notice no one says how great his content is except him. Yet many compliment the content of those he says are nothing special.

The only reason anyone who joined this biz in the last few years knows he even existed is this continued message board stupidity.

Now, at the end of his life, he's trying to reconcile the fact that he worked so hard, for so long and is forced to retire on government pensions. After posing for years as someone who is successful, in spite of admitting his best year was 75,000.00 or so his mega-ego cannot handle the fact that he was forced into retirement with a new generation of people taking his place and making money where he is not.

You have to feel kinda bad for him.

His behavior often has a sort of manic feel to it.

He NEEDS to be heard. He NEEDS to feel like he "knows". He NEEDS to be seen as someone who is to be respected for his achievements, in spite of not really having any. He NEEDS to be respected. He NEEDS to feel like his life in this biz mattered and he will be remembered as being a very smart guy that did well and left a mark... and at the same time, he gets nothing but much deserved ridicule for his borderline insane rants, absurd claims and idiotic "logic" defended only by his famous "prove me wrong" statement as if an adult has to prove a child wrong when a child is telling you Unicorns are real to make sense.

astute and accurate observations :2 cents:

The situation is simple.

When you have 3 different troughs to feed from with varying amounts of feed. The amount each pig gets depends on the number of pigs feeding from the trough.

Trough A has 100 pounds with 2 100 pigs feeding = 1/2 pound each.
Trough B has 50 pounds with 50 pigs feeding from it = 1pound each
Trough C has 25 pounds with 5 pigs getting very very fat.

And that's the same in business.

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When you have clowns like squealer running around looking for anyone who can point a camera to shoot for $300 a scene. There are loads of people who will want it.

When you have magazines and content stores returning around $3,000 a set. You don't need a loser like squealer. I can be as rude as I like to him, because he will never put money into my pocket. The year he claims I was going broke, was 8 years ago. And the year Eva and I took a holiday in Thailand, then England, then America. I can prove that with our passports.

We shot around 275 sets that year, that would turn a profit in 2005. In 2003 we had shot more, that were bringing in money while I was sitting talking to his dumb ass. He got annoyed by my mobile constantly beeping with orders coming in from the stores.

Too stupid to ask himself what a content shooter was doing with 4 programmers working for him. didn't even cross his tiny mind what all the staff were doing there.

Yes 8 years after he lies I was broke. I'm still taking in money. Must suck for him to realise he is just a little loser.

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OK I'll stop worrying about lying dwarfs. The problem s simple. Content is king. Because it will decide how many people you compete with ultimately. Giving away free porn is too easy and if Manwin get taken out. All their traffic will simply move to the next Tube. If Suze Randal gets taken out, there very few to replace her. I use Suze as an example. It can be a number of other shooters top in their field. So don't aim snipes at Suze, I use her as an example to counter Ruff's stance of anyone can do shoot content.

God I missed you and your awesome point Paul!

And the point you are making is that you are a fat pig?

DamianJ
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Cherry7
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What part of "OK I'll stop worrying about lying dwarfs." don't you understand? LOL

I never understood why one would post that you have someone on ignore. Isnt the whole idea of the ignore function to actually ignore people?

Carry on ;)

Particularly in his case, when we all know he reads all the posts and will reply to one in a day or less.

:)

Especially if I push the right buttons for him...

Paul, when I said anyone can shoot content, it doesn't necessarily mean there aren't good shooters out there. It just means there's a lot of people generating content good and bad. There is also a huge market for unprofessionally produced porn for exgf sites, amateur sites and tubes. This product does not lend itself to magazines and film does it? You spoke about Met-Life, don't they have a number of competitors now? The surfer is not as discriminating as you and others. Of course they like a good picture, but they also will like a bad one. The Internet is what it is now. The only market that gives away it's product to make money. As long as the amateur is able to come into this market with an insignificant investment it will always be so. What you are doing is pissing into the wind, you need to turn around and piss the other way. Using hindsight to make your points is an awfully easy way to pontificate. We can all do that when we retire. What would be interesting to discuss is business models that do work in today's adult environment.

Sadly there are so many people like the subject of the original post, Squealer, Damian, Cherry, etc. People with little idea what business, porn, marketing or selling is about is about.

As the shooters who replied, it's not unusual to get some idiot who wants us to shoot content for peanuts. This guy wants someone to shoot a level few can get to of girls that are hard to find. And if a shooter could do it, he's not working for $250 a scene.

Like Squealer who turns up and thinks I'm a rude idiot and a crap shooter, then spends the rest of the day with me. Knowing I'm not what he was looking for and he must of realised he was not what I was looking for. Never did chase that crap market, left it to others to shoot custom. Thankfully.

Then the guys who came over and tried to convince me to stop shooting and turn the studio into a web cam operation for them. It's not something a parson can do both of and make a good job of either. The deal was always the same. I spend a lot of money, getting the equipment in, then the girls, then the managers for the 24/7 operation and I sell the "content" to them on a basis of I get a % of the enormous revenue they would generate.

And on paper it was a fantastic deal. I was getting a big slice of a mega cake and would be making a ton of money. Or something like that BS.

Won't even go into all the clowns who offered me great deals to sell my content to members on a rev share basis.

And there's me thinking all the time "So why do you need me. Open your own studio, find your own girls and run it yourself. Or at least put a big chunk of cash on the table so I don't risk my money.

The industry is full of guys with great schemes to make money. But rarely have money to put down on the table. Even the guru whale traffic pushers, never open a site and to listen to them you would think they have done most of the work dumping traffic on a tour. They don't even know how well a site will sell until they get the stats back. :Oh crap

Me I'm an idiot who knows nothing ad will never have to work another day in his life. I do it for the fun and the pleasure of annoying you.

I'm off out for the rest of the day. It's Easter Monday.

Yes Paul... "all the staff" - in a time and place when monthly wages were 100.00 - 200.00 - 300.00 a month, you had a few people working for you right before you went bankrupt.

Good for you.

You were clearly very successful.

I guess you're right. In spite of never posting any proof whatsoever of actually making money, admitting your best year was $75,000.00 and being broke and begging for money on this very forum to survive less than 2 years later, you clearly were rolling in money.

My bad.

Now now, his wife CHOOSES to go to work as a secretary. It's got NOTHING to do with needing the money. Nothing at all.

I sorry Damian but I think you are wrong, I would work cleaning toilets with my tongue if it got me out of the house and away from the ranting.

Weren't any vacancies there :upsidedow

shitnannigans

Paul, when you post here, you distract these busy webmasters and are directly responsible for their decline in production, which in turn reduces income for themselves, content producers and affiliates. This has got to stop. If you continue, they will spend all their time commenting on your posts and eventually porn will stop. Is that what you want?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The easily distracted have bigger problems than me.

Good morning Paul.

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You see there problem?

:1orglaugh :321GFY

The real problem for porn with online porn is the ease of entry to online porn.

At the lowest level of entry is the affiliate model. There's not much required to being an affiliate and never was. This led to saturation of this level and they ended up competing with each other, largely on who could give away the most free porn. Yes some later went on to buying adwords and blogs/SEO. Still the growth in free porn is evidence in itself to the saturation of this level.

Then paysites. Putting up a paysite isn't hard. It costs a bit and this was a barrier for some. The major cost was content, in the beginning sites were opening with as little as 20 scenes and not adding a lot of content. Some bought non exclusive and stopped buying, then after a few years found their members area was full of "saturated content". :Oh crap

The cull was always the profit margin, could someone make enough to give up the day job? As doing it part time as a hobby was possible to most.

Well that depends what the "day job" paid. US, judging by the intelligence of some here their ceiling would be around $30,000 a year $600 a week. Nothing difficult about that. Take out the travel costs to work, other costs of working for a wage, tax deductions and $30,000 matching the wage of being employed and it's a better paying job.

Reading many of the posts you realise few of these people have earned or worked in a higher grade.

We ended up with a very weak herd and the biggest problem was everything the lowest needed to survive was laid out on the table for them. Their overheads were minimal to nothing. And we took giant steps on the road to 2012.

Today there's probably less money taken in porn than for the last 15 or 20 years. Offline which was a big industry is all but gone. DVD, sales and rental, Cable as a money tree, phone lines, magazines, hotels, etc. Even porn shops are feeling the pinch. Very little money left in any of those. What we do know is the money that was spent there, isn't being spent online. If it was this industry would be booming.

And it's clearly not. Manwin might be the biggest company in online porn. Still no one knows for sure how big they are. Fabian told us he had a 9 figure sum by Wall Street bankers or investors to invest. 4 + months after announcing it has anyone seen him spending it? Manwin must be keeping very quiet or the investors are patient.

Still we have papill0n, B.Barnato, ottopottomouse, Cherry7, DamianJ, TheSquealer, to tell us how much they know and how little I know. as they post without giving a clue what they really know. Guys on $30,000 a year. Banging a keyboard from their spare room?

who knows.

Go on guys waste more time replying to me. I'm going to work in the garden.

I always find this "sales method" retarded as hell, same as "whats your budget" question. That is just WRONG.

I'm asking for a quote because:
a) I obviously can't do/make it myself
b) Am not familiar with the subject

That kinda implies I do not know the expenses for it nor what should the expected profit margin be for it, and then again as a customer - I always want to pay less.

So to shorten this shit up..
Why the fuck didn't you just tell the guy its xyz$ per photo set, xyz$ per video, THEN proceed with bartering and option explaining if that is even needed?

Because he has no idea at all about even the most basic of sales techniques.

I don't shoot any more.
I didn't shoot custom much unless it's for a decent price.
I don't have Asian girls and if I did I would ask for top dollar.

I was just seeing what this guy thought this content was worth or what he was willing to pay.

SIK Only in this business would a person reply with a post stating he was going into something he doesn't know the price of, hasn't thought it through properly, doesn't know what's involved or cost to create the product, doesn't have a budget, doesn't know the profit margin, starts talking about cutting costs before establishing the quality of the product and always wants to pay less.

Met Art are who they are because they do not run their business like that.

In this business, no one questions your mistakes. I do.

discuss please

SIK and others.

This is the way it works in most businesses. If a company works in one field of an industry and wants to move into another. It does a lot of research, creates a business plan, sets out a strategy to obtain the product, market and sell the product, then launches the whole thing.

It doesn't send random emails to people they have no clue can create the product and ask for a price without setting out a lot more criteria.

I'm sure you know what it takes to create voyeur content, what the profit margin is between great voyeur and mediocre voyeur content. If you want to go into the Asian Met Art level. Do some research first.

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The whole 'depends on what you will pay for it' thing is some complete bullshit. It sounds like he wanted some content that has already been shot anyway, and wants a price for it. It seems like other content producers in this thread agree with the buyers prices never coming close to their production costs, fine. But what do you expect when you ask them to come up with the price? You expect them to be generous?

Anyway, you mentioned something about "egotistical thinking". LOL of the century. Paul you need to look at every post you make and think to yourself "am I being a hypocrite?". I honestly guarantee 95% of your posts would never happen were you to do this.

in conclusion

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Sorry about the model's luck. They should demand more money.

But that is how exploitation works. The people who do not know their worth or can not do anything about it, works for much cheaper than they should while the producer and the owner of the material making all the profits. That applies to porn just as much as it does to shoes and furniture.


That is correct. Too many people can take photos.

However, amateur content is hot for a reason. They don't want "pros" taking photos. And there are more of them than there are pros. And it sells just as well.

There is a nut for every bolt.

It's to show the person on ignore they are wasting their time with you.


This is the truth. But as much as that is bad for professionals, it is great for the amateur market.


We do have a weak herd and it has been thinning and will continue to do so.

I don't have the figures to back it up, but I'm not sure I'd agree with that. I think the money has just been redirected. Cams being one example. Lots of money there. There is still a LOT of money in the business, it's all just changed hands. Porn as you grew to know it has changed, that money is gone. Now it's somewhere new. And that is a hard pill to swallow.



Video killed the radio star.

I think everyone knows the money didn't really come from wall street.


It depends on how they asked the question.

"Can you shoot Asian teens" is a loaded question.

How do you want me to shoot them? Solo or hardcore? How much video, how many pics? How many outfit changes? What kind of location? Do you want smoking hot girls or average looking amateurs? Do we need the best hair and make up or can the girl do it herself. ALL of these things can add a lot of money to the cost.

My answer would have been, show me an example of what you want it to look like, and I'll give you a price. And even then, I'd bet anything he would want the most expensive option and want to pay peanuts for it. That is 99% of the people who ask for content these days. Most companies/people these days don't want to spend much on content.

Is it that they don't understand the difference between their and there?

Please add some depth to your arguments and cite sources.

I don't do that. I take your posts where you demonstrate how little you know (like when you got AIDA and FAB statements horribly wrong) and I explain why you are wrong.

I always use your own posts to demonstrate your lack of knowledge.

Trust me, I know the drill. I even tend to ask how are models acting skills are and how much do they like to smile. The guy from Paul's email is a "clumsy negotiator" (at best).

But STILL I find it very wrong from a provider to ask "how much are you willing to pay?".
You also can't exclude the potential language barrier - perhaps I simply don't know how to ask you the detailed questions?

Indeed IT IS easier if the person ordering content knows exactly what they want, but if not - you gotta be the one guiding them through the process, and even suggesting a better idea based on your experience and even upsell skills.

Once again, I really find it unprofessional (in ANY business) to ask "how much would you care to pay for it?". For fucks sake, where would that lead - you order a steak and waiter asks how much are you willing to pay for it so he can tell chef to wash his hands or not?

Cherry is a fool. his added value isn't anything of value, except in his head. Still spot on with the analogy of a worker getting less than a boss. Cherry has extreme socialists of even communists thinking, so he thinks we should all earn the same. That's how he justifies his low wage. :1orglaugh

Porn has rarely been about camera skills. The model is the equipment that has to be mastered. How do you get a girl who's not an actress to convince the audience she's not bored. Cherry will filll us in on that. he read the book.

Is this the amateur photographer or amateur model market?

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As you don't have figures on what all the cam sites make, that's a guess.

Using logic, is it logical all those buying per-recorded porn moved over to web cams?

Free killed the porn business, well not yet but it gave it one very bad cold. :winkwink:

The only people it could of come from are venture capitalists. They don't gamble. Where ever it came from I expected some big news of where it had started to go. By now.


Most people never spent much on the product. That's why the top shooters offline rarely shot for anyone online. They would of, if people would of paid them to. Even the "glam" sites were using people who could never compete with the Steve Hicks, Viv Thomas level of the offline porn world.

If you're on my end of the business, you would be amazed at the dick heads who walk up to you with the notion that we work for peanuts. Czech girls model for $50 a day, I shoot for $50 a day, etc. In fact people here on GFY find it amazing or even unbelievable that a guy who is basically a shooter of no outstanding talent if compared with the whole business, DVTimes to Suze Randall. Can actually make a decent living and retire with no financial worries without driving traffic, opening a paysite, shooting custom. That's why they jump on Damian and Squealers lies as if they are the truth.

Squealer is the clown. He actually visited our studio with all the scenes and equipment, saw the office with the office only staff, met the studio staff, saw I wasn't kissing his butt for business and he judges my success on the car I choose to drive models around in and our 3 bedroom detached house in the countryside. Didn't know diddly squat and thought 8 years ago I was broke. Yet people believe him today when clearly I wasn't going broke 8 years ago.

His stupidity clearly matched by others?

I saw you were a broke loser with zero social etiquette, sense of courtesy, professionalism or even what could be described as an appropriate sense of self awareness.

I saw someone who was obviously grossly exaggerating their success online (as you continue to do today).

I saw you were in panic as you tried to copy the "content blowout" model, launch paysites and tgps (all failed miserably as could easily be predicted). Remember when you used to argue that "cheap content" would ruin this industry? Fucking retard.

I saw you were desperate and had insane plans to lease your "studio" for $1000's per day even though it was an absolute shithole.

I saw you begging on this board for money.

I saw you announcing your wife had to get a job because you were destitute.

I also saw that you were irretrievably stupid and though i agreed to work with your wife and assistant, it wasn't even worth it to know you were within a 100 KM radius.

And yeah...

You clearly were going broke Paul. You created the threads here yourself to beg for money. You admitted that Eva, who was actually the one shooting all your content leading up to that point had to get a job to support both of you.

The only one who believes Paul Markham is his oldest and only friend... Paul Markham.

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