Originally Posted by Connor

Rochard is obviously a friend, and works with us at YNOT too...

Originally Posted by epitome

What the hell is going on here?

Originally Posted by AaronM

For the record, Lightspeed is the primary asshole I was referring to. Basically because I forgot you even existed. Thanks for proving my statement right with your additional comments though.

Originally Posted by porno jew

how many jobs does rochard have now?

Originally Posted by DatingFactory

Hi Troll,

as i explained it in the another thread where you posted:

"Our terms and conditions and our agreement with partners clearly states that
they should not infringe trademarks or copyrights and that we will delete sites that do. We cannot check every single site for infringement and track down trademark registrations, ages of the domains or make judgments on similarities in domain names.
Any company that has registered a domain under a recognizable international trademark or copyrighted the domain name can write to us, and present their case. We will investigate and if the claim is reasonable we will first try and put the claimant in contact with the site owner in case he wishes to defend his right to use the domain or to reach an amicable solution.
In terms of the data privacy act we cannot divulge owners details to third parties unless it is ordered by the courts, however, we can contact the site owner, and request his permission to give his details to the claiming party. In the event no amicable solutions are found we will follow the directions of our legal team and delete the site from our servers should the domain name be found to be infringing on trademarks or copyrights."

Recently we had a partner creating two websites using domain names that were protected by copyright and we removed them right away.


If you still can't sleep overnight and want to talk to me about this feel free to call me or email me, I will be more than happy to go over this with you or with anyone else.

email me: moreno.aguiari AT datingfactory.com

I am not quite sure what you are trying to achieve but i will be more than happy to help you out and make feel yourself better about it.

Now if you want to continue this conversation please use the other thread and don't ruin this one._

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Unfortunately for you, I'm not known for trolling. I asked a legitimate question about those two sites and you called me a troll then. My question to you is, after me bringing this to your attention about a week ago, why are these sites still running on your platform?

I totally understand that it is not possible for you to know every single dating site out there but I am also pretty certain that you are more than familiar with 2 fairly large ones in the sector you work in.

Having said that, even if you weren't aware of naughtyconnect and hornymatches, you have been aware of them for the past week since I brought them to your attention. If the owners of those sites have given you permission to create the .co.za versions of their site because they were unable to monetise that particular market then all you need to do is say so. Calling me a troll for asking a legitimate question is highly unprofessional and not doing anything about the sites I brought to your attention seems unethical.

Originally Posted by DatingFactory

I called you a Troll for the simple fact that you jumped into this thread just to start a drama in a typical Troll style. You have the other thread to discuss this matter, you have my email but that wasn't enough,you have decided to ruin this thread.

The owner of the .com domains/websites has not contacted us regarding this issue but we have our legal team working on this matter and as soon as i will have an answer/update i will more than happy to let you know.

What i know from personal knowledge is that it's not easy to claim co.za trademark in South Africa if you are not a South African company.

Originally Posted by Connor

The reason why you were seen as trolling is:

You asked this question in another thread, and you got a perfectly reasonable response. Companies set policies to deal with the many possible sticky situations that can arise on the Internet, and one was clearly set to deal with the situation you are asking about. The resolution seems to require action from the interested parties, not just anybody posting on GFY. I'm betting those interested parties have not yet taken those steps.

Despite this fact, here we are in a different thread where there is an announcement about a new hire. You're choosing to again hijack the thread for the sake of drawing attention to yourself with the tired old GFY trick of "I will post negative things in all your threads until you bow down to my glory" ... but honestly, I think this approach just makes you look unprofessional.

It makes perfect sense that if there is a copyright concern, the INTERESTED PARTIES initiate the inquiry. You're trying to slam a company for not taking an immediate reaction based on some post some person made on a chat board. While it may be possible that the situation is as black and white as you seem to think it is with respect to these domain names, it's also possible that there's more to it than your exhaustive investigation has uncovered. THIS is why there are policies and procedures that need to be followed for situations like this that extend beyond simply being reactionary to bellyachers on GFY.

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Have you looked at the last thread posted? No? Then please read it before you tell me what did and did not transpire. If you did read it then you may also find it perfectly logical that I ask this question again since when first queried the OP did not give this reason straight away. He gave me some song and dance about querying his database etc. and then ended up calling me a troll. Uncalled for and highly unprofessional.

My intention isn't to "ruin" this thread, when in fact I have no opinion of Richard at all. He seems like a nice guy but I do not know him personally. The ONLY time I have interacted with him was when I signed up to use YNot Mail and he was pleasant to work with.

If I sold tennis shoes and some manufacturer tried to make me carry their brand calling it Nikee, I know what I'd do so please don't tell me that the people responsible for the brand should chase this up. How about showing a modicum of responsibility and ethics or is that notion totally alien to you?

As for wanting to draw attention to myself, please, I've been here since 2001 and have just over 1000 posts; I'm hardly trying to draw attention to myself. I'm pretty sure you've come across that type in your years on GFY but I'm not one of them.

Originally Posted by Connor

I did see the thread, yes. Did you consider that you maybe did not get an immediate response because the person had to get the answer for you? There are new people being hired here, and this is a new company setup, all this is explained in the threads you're posting in here.

As for your Nikke example, apples and oranges. Domain names are not shoes. There are differences in scope and complexity. There are processes in place to determine what is infringing, and what is not. It makes sense for companies to use these processes instead of making unilateral and uninformed decisions.

I'm NOT saying this example I'm about to give is the case here, I just use it for the sake of example. What if the domain names you're upset about are in fact owned by the copyright holder? And they want to run another site for whatever reason, and list it under a different company name, again for whatever reason? What if the domains you are pointing at are owned by people who first used these words before the .com owners did, but just haven't pressed the issue? What if there are laws or rules in place regarding domain names from specific countries that have some bearing on this situation?

This isn't to say that any of the above things are likely or apply in this case... it's just an example to show why it makes SENSE for there to be a process that the stake holders need to go through when there is a dispute. And there IS such a process in this case that can be followed (without charge or expense, it seems, unlike when there are disputes related to another domain name extension we all know and don't love). This is also why it would be a really bad idea for a company to do what you're suggesting they SHOULD do, and react to a post on GFY made by someone who is not a stakeholder.

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

I have taken the time to read your replies; I'd appreciate you took the time to read mine.

So when you give an example, it's fine but mine are apples and oranges, interesting. Let's not dwell on this though; it's trivial in the grand scheme of things.

In my reply I did say that I understood that it may not be possible to verify every domain and even the fact that the original copyright holder may have allowed permission for the domains to be used so you rehashing those possibilities in a "maybe" scenario seem kind of weird.

Are you involved with this company? Are you a stakeholder? I'm just curious since if you were you'd know if any of those possibilities were true by simply sending an email to the owner(s) of the .co.za domains. It's not that hard to get to the bottom of what could possibly be a violation of someone's brand rights and as stakeholders I would have thought this would have been just as important to you as it is and should be for people using your platform legitimately.

Let's move away from that for just a moment. Why take the domains off your "client" page? Why not just leave them on there like you have the sites until your "process" was completed? Why would a veteran of this industry like yourself want the brand owners to contact him if they have a problem? Isn't it in your best interests to contact them since it was brought to your attention?

Note that I'm assuming you have a stake in this company and I would be wrong but the OP seems to be leaving this in your hands and you seem to have an intimate knowledge of the processes this company has. Forgive me if my assumption is incorrect.

Originally Posted by Connor

Rochard is obviously a friend, and works with us at YNOT too... and I know the people you're attacking well, and know that you're dead wrong on all you are insinuating here. Perhaps this gives you some insight why I find it unfortunate that you're all over Rochard's thread. That said, if you're determined to see the things the way you seem determined to see, not sure any information anyone could give you here would change that.

As for the OP, I know him very well too, absolutely, and can definitely understand why he may not be interested in going back and forth all day long on GFY with you. Especially considering your questions were answered with detail, and that apparently did nothing to change your course here.

And yes... your example was apples and oranges because it compared domain names to shoes. Mine was not apples and oranges because it related specifically to domain names.

Originally Posted by Connor

You mad, bro?

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Attacking? Get a grip!!! You spend way too much time in fantasy land if you feel someone asking a question is "attacking".

Apples and oranges my arse! You try using a trademark name registered to Far-L or people who take their brands seriously and see if they are any different to Nike.

Insinuating? I'm not insinuating anything. It's a FACT that they have co-branded two domains that are well known in the adult dating segment. Where's the insinuation there?

Think about this for a second. They have these two domains using their platform that they advertise as a client on their site, someone (me) asks about them, they remove these two domains from their "clients" page and refer me to their terms of service that categorically states:
"9.9. Partner web-site including the domain name or sub-domain must not infringe on any trademarks. Offending sites will be deleted from the system without any notice."

I understand that there is a "process", what doesn't make sense to me is why you think the it is ethical to wait for the brand owner to get in touch with you when someone has made you aware that there might be a problem.

Why take the sites off their "client" page? They obviously feel it COULD be a potential problem or they would have left them there. At least that's what it looks like to me.

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Maybe with Richard on board now, he'll explain to your why allowing customers to use a domain like this is bad:

http://naughtyconnect.co.za/
http://www.hornymatches.co.za/

All you've done since I mentioned it to you the first time is take it off your "client" page but the sites are still operating using your dating solution.

Originally Posted by AaronM

Congrats Rochard!

Apparently you work for yet another asshole.

Not that everybody you have worked for has been an asshole....

Originally Posted by Connor

This is why it's pointless to address people's "concerns" on industry boards. It ends up being more about putting on a show and winning, and less about any meaningful discussion.

Originally Posted by baddog

I have to guess the sites in question do not belong to you or you would have followed the procedure described for having them removed. Dating Factory can not shut down a site because of something posted on GFY any more than they could as the result of a telephone call.

I don't see why you can't grasp that.

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Congrats Rochard!

Now that Dating Factory has a US based affiliate manager, perhaps it's time to reconsider issuing checks payable in US dollars.

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Oh screw you and your "putting on a show" - no one needs to put on a show for you! Why is it whenever people like you are asked simple questions that they feel the need to act like complete twats with the name calling and the usual, "putting on a show", "troll", etc. retorts.

Originally Posted by Connor

Except... I didn't call you a troll. Or a twat. Or say "screw you." Or suggest that you were putting on a show for ME. Or call you another name that I remember... if I did, I shouldn't have, it was a mistake. (Too lazy to read back through everything to verify). I simply think your actions on this board aren't on the level, I think you had a certain reason for what you were doing, and I think the fact that you got honest and intelligent answers that apparently didn't satisfy you is telling. There really is nothing more to say, it was my mistake to think discussing it with you would make a difference.

Originally Posted by WarChild

Some were born to be leaders and some were born to be employees.

Originally Posted by porno jew

how many jobs does rochard have now?

Originally Posted by Karupted Charles

Congrats Rochard and Dating factory you found yourself a great guy.