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Rothstein · 03-16-2012, 07:24 PM

you are depressed because you have low T.

take anti-depressants and cut your own dick off with scissors.

BlackCrayon · 03-17-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

And for the record, when it comes to using hormones/steroids like Testosterone and HGH etc.. its easy to talk trash and be critical and cling safely to a taboo word like "steroid" or "chemicals" as you seem to prefer, without having any real idea of whats being discussed or what steroids even are - nevermind the wide range of drugs that word encompasses which range from totally benign in almost any quantity to lethal when abused.

At the end of the day, you are dying. Good diet and exercise will help your health but for the most part, it isn't going to do a great deal to offset the decline in testosterone production and HGH secretion - to the point where its going to have a radical benefit to your health. Your body is breaking down and falling apart. Its designed to. This begins in your mid 20's as a male and heads on a trajectory that climbs steeper and steeper with age. Testosterone and HGH in the context of hormone replacement therapy in males is about preventative measures to slow your body's physical decline. If your test levels are down to very low end of the range, you can't move it back up to the high end with exercise alone. You can only move it up slightly. If going from 300ng/dl to 400 is good enough for you while you try to do everything perfect... that's fine. As for myself, i'm happy at 1000-ish.

Its easy to talk it all down.. but in 20 years when YOU are the one with a bad hip, bad knees, arthritis, failing mind etc.. it will be too late for you for the most part. And that's what some of us work very hard to prevent... with diet, exercise AND hormone replacement therapy.

Tical is the last person in this forum that I would be challenging on the subject.

i don't doubt he is pretty knowledgeable on the subject but i think a lot of people find it strange that bossku got a test done, levels were ok but he is not convinced and wants to keep trying until he gets the answer he wants. regardless, as great as hormone replacement theopy sounds, you can't hide from aging forever and in the meantime you will start to look a bit strange from all the shit your pumping in your veins that 90% of people doing so are not getting from a doctor and really have no education on the subject.

Grapesoda · 03-17-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

I've been in a slump past few months, if not years really. Went to the doctor to see if its thyroid related and everything comes back "normal"

<tangent> what is "normal" is the same for me, a big frame 280lb 6'3" man compared to that of a 5'2" 110lb Asian man... its not right </tangent>

Went to my doctor last week, told him I have every sign of this problem and its increasing, except for ED. Got some blood work taken and called this morning to say "everything's normal..." BULLSHIT!

I took testosterone as a study back in 2004 while living in LA. During this 8 week treatment, I felt like a million bucks, then after it ended, over time, kept going down and down until now.

Rather, my doctor wants to put me on an anti-depressant and no matter how much I tell him Im not fucking depressed, he says he can't prescribe any meds for low T. Since there is such a high range to be "normal" I'm thinking I go get it done again but this time make sure I get a lack of sleep and lay around all the day before. I think because I got it taken the morning after I was active that night the numbers were higher.

Anyone have this or same issues?

spoke with an orthopedic surgeon about this very subject, his comment: the older I get the more I find the FDA hids information from us as dr's. here ya go: http://www.renewman.com/

Grapesoda · 03-17-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tical

I'm on TRT and starting it was one of the best moves I ever made. My GP also wanted to just give me anti depressants and viagra and send me on my way but I knew something else was going on.

Post up your lab work results and I'll tell you if I think you should see another doctor... general practitioners typically won't be much help. If you have any questions hit me up... I've been on TRT for 3 years now and understand it well.

what type of Dr did you go to? endocrinologist?

Grapesoda · 03-17-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tical

Hey Phil,

I didn't want to bother going the androgel route either. I'd rather do 1 poke a week than have to rub gels on myself daily. Plus 10 weeks at this dose only costs me about 70 bucks w/o insurance... androgel is much more expensive!

I'm prescribed 100mg of cyp per week and that puts me at the top of the range. I also take 250iu of HCG weekly to keep the balls plump along with 12.5mg of aromasin twice a week (on injection day and 3 days later) just to keep estrogen in check.

Occasionally I'll cruise at a little bit of a higher dose for a couple of months... around 300mg... because... well... I want to hah!

If you were going to go with 200mg it would probably be a good idea to spread it out into 2 shots of 100mg each just so that you don't have any crazy spikes in estrogen. Even though cyp is a long ester, there is still a large spike after the injection.

tical pls email me: sell at bmbhome dot com

porno jew · 03-17-2012, 12:20 PM

since you are going to bounce from doctor to doctor until you get the diagnosis and meds you want anyway just get what you want from the black market or the internet.

though it it is obvious you should get your weight under control first. n way you are going to feel energetic like that.

NetHorse · 03-17-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bns666

get this, works great

Please don't take that garbage.

A lot of people take TRT after 30 to feel like 'a million bucks'. Just keep in mind, once you start a regimen there is no going back and there are side effects. The side effects of low T are usually more serious than the ladder though, (which is why it's prescribed in the first place).

That's why some endocrinologists won't prescribe it even if you're on the low-side of normal, (and the range in-which doctors consider normal is huge). Notice I said some, a lot of them will prescribe it but I suggest you think long and hard about it, (uh huh huh, long and hard).

BTW, if you saw a regular doctor please tell him to refer you to a specialist. They're the only one's qualified to give advice on the subject.

PornMD · 03-17-2012, 08:05 PM

Figure out SOME physical activity that you'll enjoy like tennis, bowling, basketball, etc. You don't have to enjoy it forever, but enjoy it enough to find a club or some people to do it with. I don't think there are many people that actually look forward to going to the gym, but especially if you take a little pride in how well you do at a particular sport, you'll look forward to beating some ass, and before you know it you'll have been decently physically active over a 2-3 hour timespan.

I'm 6'1, used to be 280 lbs, am now 210 and besides things like quitting soda (which alone helped me lose the first 30) and now eating fast food and pizza sparingly, the major key to not just losing weight but being more fit was joining a tennis club. Tennis was something I had played when I was little and also a bit in high school and early in college and my weight got out of control after I had stopped. Getting back to playing tennis helped build some muscle in addition to losing some more weight, and overall being able to last longer with any kind of workout, including sex.

Anyways, there's no one thing that works for everyone, but just find something that interests you enough to at least get out there once or twice to do it. There are many people who wouldn't set foot in a gym that stay fit because they find other activities to do.

shimmy2 · 03-18-2012, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Probably should have refused the shot but I was so out of it I didn't care what happened to me

didnt you learn that lesson from playing metal gear solid?

webmax · 03-18-2012, 05:15 AM

I am 30. I have been on 12iu HGH/eod since Jan. Also been on deca 600mg/week; test enanthate 1g/week and cycles of trenbolone, anadrol and dianabol.

Make sure to have your anti estrogens. Also best to go black market, it will save you a lot of money.

96ukssob · 04-03-2012, 11:31 AM

I got my results back from my doctor and not really surprised, my test levels are low but still "normal"

Test
my level: 331
"normal:" 280-1100

Free Test
my level: 46.0
"normal:" 35-155

I'm 31 and work out about 2x a week. Talking on a body building forum they said these are definitely low, but my doctor says they are not low enough for medication.

So I can either try another doctor and possibly have the same headaches, or wait it out for a few weeks and try again

MaDalton · 04-03-2012, 11:36 AM

drop 80 lbs

96ukssob · 04-03-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

drop 80 lbs

well thats the goal

however no motivation, I don't want to do much more than sit around

MaDalton · 04-03-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

well thats the goal

however no motivation, I don't want to do much more than sit around

i dropped like 35 lbs by sitting around, just eating differently

but being fat causes your problem, any medication will just make it worse

CaptainHowdy · 04-03-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

well thats the goal

however no motivation, I don't want to do much more than sit around

Get (or borrow) a dog, walk him twice a day for around 30-45 minutes each time to start.

lazycash · 04-03-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tical

This isn't always the case. Diet and exercise won't reverse premature andropause, cure bad genetics, or repair an impaired metabolism (which is critical for higher levels of circulating hormones as well as the utilization of them).

Diet and exercise can definitely lend them self to a better sense of well being and all over improvement but it can't turn an aging man into a 20 year old again... genetic aging won't allow it. This is where HRT comes into play... anti-aging medicine.

Also to note, being overweight will increase the level of estrogen in your body. Elevated levels of estrogen influence the negative feedback loop that lowers testosterone.

It works like this:

Your body has an equilibrium of testosterone (androgens) and estrogens that is determined by your metabolism, genetics, age, etc. This is all controlled by your hypothalamus.

1. A small percentage of testosterone you produce is converted to estrogen by an enzyme.

2. Your hypothalamus recognizes this estrogen and uses it as one measurement to control the release of gonadatropins that will signal your balls to produce testosterone.

To your body, too much estrogen means there must be too much testosterone... so it must be lowered to reach that equilibrium once again. Your brain reduces demand for the production of testosterone.

If estrogen is produced by adipocytes (fat cells) and not the aromatizatoin of testosterone,your body will strive to correct this estrogen imbalance by lowering testosterone.

Lose weight and your T should increase slightly... but don't expect a miracle.

Great info as always. Just curious, how low does one's Test have to be to get diagnosed with hypogonadism? Also, I've seen studies with respect to HRT in females and the potential long term increased risks to some cancers, have there been any such studies done with respect to male HRT and long term risks?

Seems like there is still much confusion out there from the media regarding male HRT, was just reading this recent article about Jose Canseco's latest issues. http://thinksteroids.com/news/jose-c...ement-therapy/

96ukssob · 04-03-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i dropped like 35 lbs by sitting around, just eating differently

but being fat causes your problem, any medication will just make it worse

Ive always had problems with loosing weight, but in the past 2-3 years it is been increasing more difficult. I work out 2-3 times a week, walk, do some cardio, etc., and no real weight loss. If i dont, I will easily put on 5+ lbs a week.

I know something is wrong, this can't be normal but the doctors Ive gone to just look and the results and say "its normal" but I highly doubt someone eating healthy and the proper calorie intake each day plus moderate exercise would GAIN weight

JP-pornshooter · 04-03-2012, 04:13 PM

do a search on HGH on this forum, there was a really good post on it a couple years ago.
HGH is the fountain of youth, many many hollywood peeps take these treatments from when they are 40 yo...
i am doing pretty good still, probably only start when i am 50 or perhaps even 55.

d-null · 04-03-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

Ive always had problems with loosing weight, but in the past 2-3 years it is been increasing more difficult. I work out 2-3 times a week, walk, do some cardio, etc., and no real weight loss. If i dont, I will easily put on 5+ lbs a week.

I know something is wrong, this can't be normal but the doctors Ive gone to just look and the results and say "its normal" but I highly doubt someone eating healthy and the proper calorie intake each day plus moderate exercise would GAIN weight

this sounds more like insulin-resistance than anything to do with testosterone

CaptainHowdy · 04-03-2012, 04:42 PM

This looks like a case of resistance to advice ...

Major (Tom) · 04-03-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by webmax

I am 30. I have been on 12iu HGH/eod since Jan. Also been on deca 600mg/week; test enanthate 1g/week and cycles of trenbolone, anadrol and dianabol.

Make sure to have your anti estrogens. Also best to go black market, it will save you a lot of money.

that's some high doses. Why would you mix 2, 19-nors?
your prolactin must have been through the roof
ds

papill0n · 04-03-2012, 09:45 PM

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03-17-2012, 08:05 PM	#58
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