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D Ghost · 02-27-2012, 03:41 PM

Yeah let's make guns completely illegal and hand the gun market over to the black market, that will really create a safer place! <--- LOL

L-Pink · 02-27-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

The laws that make guns hard to get hold of?

The guns are already here. When the losers and occasional student idiot want to obtain one what's to stop them?

Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

It takes a person to pull the trigger. There are tons of responsible individuals who own firearms, and have grown up around firearms for generations. Without incident.

Let's not blame this on "easy access" to firearms. We all know the countries were it's illegal to own one, it's still not hard to get one. And if someone really wants to commit a crime using one, they WILL find it, whether it's illegal or not. It's just like a drug addict, just because it's illegal doesn't mean people don't do drugs or find them.

Making guns illegal, just like drugs, or other things for that matter - like prostitution. Will have an even more negative impact on those situations.

So buying a bazooka or any other weapon should be as easy as buying a gun right? Am i right?

porno jew · 02-27-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Yeah let's make guns completely illegal and hand the gun market over to the black market, that will really create a safer place! <--- LOL

actually it would.

LOL!

D Ghost · 02-27-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So buying a bazooka or any other weapon should be as easy as buying a gun right? Am i right?

I think there are certain control policies that should be in place. Since there are many types of weapons this is not a black/white issue.

No, I don't think a Bazooka that you could fire from a distance and destroy half the school with is ok. And fully automatic weapons should have some more regulation.

D Ghost · 02-27-2012, 03:46 PM

They've shown that guns deter robbers and muggings too. I think in areas where gun ownership is legal. There are less burglaries.

They don't want to possibly get shot.

L-Pink · 02-27-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So what's the answer? More guns = not more gun violence? Is that your answer? Is it impossible to be pro guns and still be in touch with reality or what?

The problem is criminals and the occasional weak minded idiot. I don't see how to stop either one.

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Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

I think there are certain control policies that should be in place. Since there are many types of weapons this is not a black/white issue.

No, I don't think a Bazooka that you could fire from a distance and destroy half the school with is ok. And fully automatic weapons should have some more regulation.

Why? Bazookas don't kill?

Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Yeah let's make guns completely illegal and hand the gun market over to the black market, that will really create a safer place! <--- LOL

Yes it would you dumbass.

Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

The problem is criminals and the occasional weak minded idiot. I don't see how to stop either one.

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How about less guns? God, this is getting ridiculous.
Why would holland have less gun violence? Because of less guns or less idiots?
You probably are gonna amaze me again with your answer.

D Ghost · 02-27-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Why? Bazookas don't kill?

You are right, it's the person using it.

But when we're talking about a weapon that can do so much damage so quickly, and with more anonymity (hiding far off in the woods, where no one can see you and you can easily get away and never get caught)> this should be illegal.

With hand guns, etc. You usually have to be at closer range. Unless you are an excellent shot or trained sniper (which I'm sure most of the population is not.) Where there is accountability as we can see today the suspect was caught.

Again, this isn't a black and white issue. So quite treating it as such.

georgeyw · 02-27-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Yeah let's make guns completely illegal and hand the gun market over to the black market, that will really create a safer place! <--- LOL

If it were tougher to get your hands on a gun, do you think the kid in this instance would have been able to do what he did?

I'm tipping you will dance around a bit and blame the way the wind was blowing on the day.

Sly · 02-27-2012, 03:56 PM

Listen everyone.

We Americans are stupid animals that like guns and killing each other. Just think, the fewer Americans there are the easier it will be for the rest of the world to rise up and conquer the evil that is America.

Sounds like a win for non-Americans. Recognize your victories!

Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

You are right, it's the person using it.

But when we're talking about a weapon that can do so much damage so quickly, and with more anonymity (hiding far off in the woods, where no one can see you and you can easily get away and never get caught)> this should be illegal.

With hand guns, etc. You usually have to be at closer range. Unless you are an excellent shot or trained sniper (which I'm sure most of the population is not.) Where there is accountability as we can see today the suspect was caught.

Again, this isn't a black and white issue. So quite treating it as such.

Ah but with a gun you can kill 15 people AND get caught so that makes having a gun ok. Thanks. Now it finally is all clear to me.

L-Pink · 02-27-2012, 03:58 PM

?Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,? by the Clinton administration?s Justice Department shows that between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States use a firearm to defend themselves and others from criminals each year."

Good trade off for the occasional idiot that shoots someone.

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Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Listen everyone.

We Americans are stupid animals that like guns and killing each other. Just think, the fewer Americans there are the easier it will be for the rest of the world to rise up and conquer the evil that is America.

Sounds like a win for non-Americans. Recognize your victories!

Like i said i have no problems with Americans owning as much guns as they want.

georgeyw · 02-27-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Listen everyone.

We Americans are stupid animals that like guns and killing each other. Just think, the fewer Americans there are the easier it will be for the rest of the world to rise up and conquer the evil that is America.

Sounds like a win for non-Americans. Recognize your victories!

I wouldn't go that far, you do however have a very different view on gun ownership to most other first world countries.

Then in DJ's case a complete lack of understanding of the difference between 'quit' / 'quite' - 'where' / 'were'

TheSquealer · 02-27-2012, 03:59 PM

Since its usually poor and dumb people shooting other poor and dumb people, guns are ok. I'm not saying killing people is ok... but within the context of the greater good and survival of good genes, not a bad deal. Sometimes you have collateral damage, but people also get hit by buses and by lightening. Life is a crap shoot, but at least in some instances, probability and chance is weighted against bad genes.

Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

?Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,? by the Clinton administration?s Justice Department shows that between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States use a firearm to defend themselves and others from criminals each year."

Good trade off for the occasional idiot that shoots someone.

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How come there is less gun violence in Holland than in the US? Would the fact there are less guns here have something to do with it?

D Ghost · 02-27-2012, 04:01 PM

Just like there are different classes of drugs that are legal/illegal, different schedules... it's the same with weapons.

Sly · 02-27-2012, 04:01 PM

Non-Americans need to use their "lack of ignorance" that they are so proud of and try to understand why so many Americans believe guns are an essential right. Think of how our country was founded, how we became what we are, and what role guns played in that. Then add the basic human psychology of... you can't give people something and then take it away. Then recognize that this belief system has been ingrained in Americans for hundreds of years.

For those of you that don't know how America was found, read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War

D Ghost · 02-27-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Ah but with a gun you can kill 15 people AND get caught so that makes having a gun ok. Thanks. Now it finally is all clear to me.

I didn't say it's ok to commit crimes with them. I'm saying there is accountability. And just like you have to register, and they can be traced to owner, who bought them, etc.

Imagine if they are illegal and black market, there is no accountability. Seems like you are ok with that. And easier for person to get away.

If the black market took over, there would be more crimes with guns, more blood shed.

TheSquealer · 02-27-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

How come there is less gun violence in Holland than in the US? Would the fact there are less guns here have something to do with it?

I've been all over the world and I would suggest that the biggest factor in levels of gun violence is cultural, not the presence or absence of guns or legality of gun ownership.

DamianJ · 02-27-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

The guns are already here.

Get rid of them then.

DamianJ · 02-27-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Again, this isn't a black and white issue. So quite treating it as such.

It is. If you have less guns, less people get shot. Black and white.

It's really simple maths. Or math, as you say.

But please post a link to something proving that wrong.

Sly · 02-27-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Get rid of them then.

Pretty good idea. I suggest after that we get rid of drugs and alcohol.

Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

I didn't say it's ok to commit crimes with them. I'm saying there is accountability. And just like you have to register, and they can be traced to owner, who bought them, etc.

Imagine if they are illegal and black market, there is no accountability. Seems like you are ok with that. And easier for person to get away.

If the black market took over, there would be more crimes with guns, more blood shed.

Well isnt that odd. In Holland only criminals have guns and still there is WAY less gun violence. Jeesh, almost looks like you are talking right out of your ass! Who would've expected that from a dumb little piece o fshit who defended his credit card banging boss for months while lying straight into the face of all the affiliates who paid for your shitty job.

D Ghost · 02-27-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

How come there is less gun violence in Holland than in the US? Would the fact there are less guns here have something to do with it?

I don't think it has to do with guns being illegal. There are other factors.

TheSquealer · 02-27-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

It's really simple maths. Or math, as you say.

Thanks for that. I read up to "maths" and thought "what the hell is this foreigner talking about in his savage native tongue?" Then continued reading and saw you added the translation which was a big help to me personally.

Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I've been all over the world and I would suggest that the biggest factor in levels of gun violence is cultural, not the presence or absence of guns or legality of gun ownership.

Stats don't agree with you. And i tend to believe stats.

Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Pretty good idea. I suggest after that we get rid of drugs and alcohol.

Page 5 and you still didn't realize this thread is about guns? That's pretty goddamn dumb.

georgeyw · 02-27-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

LOL I knew it- the debate is on guns...just unreal how propagandized the public is. Its downright scary!

Wait, are you the guy who pulled a gun on an old lady whilst walking your dog?

Sly · 02-27-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Page 5 and you still didn't realize this thread is about guns? That's pretty goddamn dumb.

You all seem to be suggesting that banning guns will solve a problem.

I point you to prohibition and the war on drugs. Laws do not change cultural mentality. Afghanistan, Iraq, and countless other African/Middle Eastern wars prove this as well.

Fletch XXX · 02-27-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

In Holland only criminals have guns

Incorrect. What an odd distortion of the truth.

"There are about 80,000 people with a gun license in the Netherlands."

http://qsi.cc/blog/archives/000144.html

I dont think you even understand your own country and its gun use LOL

porno jew · 02-27-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You all seem to be suggesting that banning guns will solve a problem.

I point you to prohibition and the war on drugs. Laws do not change cultural mentality. Afghanistan, Iraq, and countless other African/Middle Eastern wars prove this as well.

yes they do. prohibitions against smoking have had a great effect.

D Ghost · 02-27-2012, 04:14 PM

A drunk driver kills someone. We better ban alcohol completely too. Because we know how well that worked in the 1920s, hahahaha....

georgeyw · 02-27-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

In order to ban guns you would need people with guns to ban the guns and that makes NO logical sense. Ergo you can't ban guns. Simple.

Wah?

Gun amnesty. Simple.

Shotsie · 02-27-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

How come there is less gun violence in Holland than in the US? Would the fact there are less guns here have something to do with it?

Are you really trying to compare The Netherlands to the United States?

DamianJ · 02-27-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

You can't ban anything. Just because you make something "illegal" doesn't mean diddly squat. It only makes the issue or problem 10 times worse. Do we have any enlightened people here?

Do you keep missing the pretty pictures I post showing you're totally wrong?

L-Pink · 02-27-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

Wah?

Gun amnesty. Simple.

here?

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Sly · 02-27-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

yes they do. prohibitions against smoking have had a great effect.

That's a terrible example. There has been a huge stigma around cigarettes for several decades now and also a huge education program that revolves around teaching people not to smoke.

The same would need to be done for guns and it would take many decades to make any impact at all. Not to mention, guns are not a consumable good. Cigarettes you buy, often daily (same with drugs and alcohol), guns you own for good. Gun owners are not getting rid of guns unless they want to get rid of them.

Fletch XXX · 02-27-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Shotsie

Are you really trying to compare The Netherlands to the United States?

this article does it, and as it shows, Netherlands has its fair share of both violence and lots of licensed gun owners. And dont forget the huge amount of UNLICENSED gun owners. Article even says, by european standards getting a gun in netherlands, is easy...

http://qsi.cc/blog/archives/000144.html

georgeyw · 02-27-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

A drunk driver kills someone. We better ban alcohol completely too. Because we know how well that worked in the 1920s, hahahaha....

Wait, so a kid can take a beer to school with the intention of shooting another kid? Interesting.

georgeyw · 02-27-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

here?

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It worked here.

DamianJ · 02-27-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You all seem to be suggesting that banning guns will solve a problem.

Well I've proven less guns = less people killed with guns. It's not really suggesting anything. It's demonstrable.

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Originally Posted by Sly

I point you to prohibition and the war on drugs.

Yes, worldwide the war on drugs has failed. But in countries with strict gun control, MANY MANY less people per 100k get shot.

Fact.

Dirty F · 02-27-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Incorrect. What an odd distortion of the truth.

"There are about 80,000 people with a gun license in the Netherlands."

http://qsi.cc/blog/archives/000144.html

I dont think you even understand your own country and its gun use LOL

Yes you dumbass i'm aware there is a group of people with guns in Holland other than criminals. Yes, i should've pointed that out but i highly doubt there is anybody here who doesn't understand that just like any other country we have gun clubs who practice shooting as a sport.

These aren't the gun owners as they as in the US. With a bunch of small guns within hand reach to "protect" their home.
They don't conceal them while going out. They don't have them with them in the car etc etc.
These are mostly people with rifles that only are used for sports once a week.

Still it doesn't change the fact that there are way less guns per 1000 people in Holland with results in way less gun violence. Something that is still really fucking hard to understand for hicks like you.

TheSquealer · 02-27-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Stats don't agree with you. And i tend to believe stats.

I'm too lazy to look. I mean that a culture that is more aggressive in nature, where major violence/violent crimes is more common is more likely to own guns and more likely to shoot people with them. Just like the USA... gun violence is largely limited to very shitty areas.

L-Pink · 02-27-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

It worked here.

ALL of your citizens voluntarily turned over their firearms? Every one of them?

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D Ghost · 02-27-2012, 04:21 PM

Interesting. Mexico has only 15 guns per 100 people. And US 88 per 100. But the Firearm homicides per capita is higher in Mexico.

Fletch XXX · 02-27-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Yes you dumbass

tell me again WHY did you ask me to remove you off ignore when this is all you do?

"oh fletch ive been such a dick trolling you I do it for no reason and I know ive been a douche" basically your words... LOL

now you pissed because I actually discuss something with you and prove you wrong?

LOLz

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TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,169	Since its usually poor and dumb people shooting other poor and dumb people, guns are ok. I'm not saying killing people is ok... but within the context of the greater good and survival of good genes, not a bad deal. Sometimes you have collateral damage, but people also get hit by buses and by lightening. Life is a crap shoot, but at least in some instances, probability and chance is weighted against bad genes. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard Last edited by TheSquealer; 02-27-2012 at 04:01 PM..

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Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,323	Non-Americans need to use their "lack of ignorance" that they are so proud of and try to understand why so many Americans believe guns are an essential right. Think of how our country was founded, how we became what we are, and what role guns played in that. Then add the basic human psychology of... you can't give people something and then take it away. Then recognize that this belief system has been ingrained in Americans for hundreds of years. For those of you that don't know how America was found, read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

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D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	Yeah let's make guns completely illegal and hand the gun market over to the black market, that will really create a safer place! <--- LOL

02-27-2012, 03:46 PM	#156
D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	They've shown that guns deter robbers and muggings too. I think in areas where gun ownership is legal. There are less burglaries. They don't want to possibly get shot.

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L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	?Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,? by the Clinton administration?s Justice Department shows that between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States use a firearm to defend themselves and others from criminals each year." Good trade off for the occasional idiot that shoots someone. .

02-27-2012, 04:01 PM	#170
D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	Just like there are different classes of drugs that are legal/illegal, different schedules... it's the same with weapons.

02-27-2012, 04:14 PM	#186
D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	A drunk driver kills someone. We better ban alcohol completely too. Because we know how well that worked in the 1920s, hahahaha....

02-27-2012, 04:21 PM	#199
D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	Interesting. Mexico has only 15 guns per 100 people. And US 88 per 100. But the Firearm homicides per capita is higher in Mexico.