Yeah let's make guns completely illegal and hand the gun market over to the black market, that will really create a safer place! <--- LOL

The guns are already here. When the losers and occasional student idiot want to obtain one what's to stop them?

So buying a bazooka or any other weapon should be as easy as buying a gun right? Am i right?

actually it would.

LOL!

I think there are certain control policies that should be in place. Since there are many types of weapons this is not a black/white issue.

No, I don't think a Bazooka that you could fire from a distance and destroy half the school with is ok. And fully automatic weapons should have some more regulation.

They've shown that guns deter robbers and muggings too. I think in areas where gun ownership is legal. There are less burglaries.


They don't want to possibly get shot.

The problem is criminals and the occasional weak minded idiot. I don't see how to stop either one.

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Why? Bazookas don't kill?

Yes it would you dumbass.

How about less guns? God, this is getting ridiculous.
Why would holland have less gun violence? Because of less guns or less idiots?
You probably are gonna amaze me again with your answer.

You are right, it's the person using it.

But when we're talking about a weapon that can do so much damage so quickly, and with more anonymity (hiding far off in the woods, where no one can see you and you can easily get away and never get caught)> this should be illegal.

With hand guns, etc. You usually have to be at closer range. Unless you are an excellent shot or trained sniper (which I'm sure most of the population is not.) Where there is accountability as we can see today the suspect was caught.


Again, this isn't a black and white issue. So quite treating it as such.

If it were tougher to get your hands on a gun, do you think the kid in this instance would have been able to do what he did?

I'm tipping you will dance around a bit and blame the way the wind was blowing on the day.

Listen everyone.

We Americans are stupid animals that like guns and killing each other. Just think, the fewer Americans there are the easier it will be for the rest of the world to rise up and conquer the evil that is America.

Sounds like a win for non-Americans. Recognize your victories!

Ah but with a gun you can kill 15 people AND get caught so that makes having a gun ok. Thanks. Now it finally is all clear to me.

?Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,? by the Clinton administration?s Justice Department shows that between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States use a firearm to defend themselves and others from criminals each year."

Good trade off for the occasional idiot that shoots someone.

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Like i said i have no problems with Americans owning as much guns as they want.

I wouldn't go that far, you do however have a very different view on gun ownership to most other first world countries.

Then in DJ's case a complete lack of understanding of the difference between 'quit' / 'quite' - 'where' / 'were'

Since its usually poor and dumb people shooting other poor and dumb people, guns are ok. I'm not saying killing people is ok... but within the context of the greater good and survival of good genes, not a bad deal. Sometimes you have collateral damage, but people also get hit by buses and by lightening. Life is a crap shoot, but at least in some instances, probability and chance is weighted against bad genes.

How come there is less gun violence in Holland than in the US? Would the fact there are less guns here have something to do with it?

Just like there are different classes of drugs that are legal/illegal, different schedules... it's the same with weapons.

Non-Americans need to use their "lack of ignorance" that they are so proud of and try to understand why so many Americans believe guns are an essential right. Think of how our country was founded, how we became what we are, and what role guns played in that. Then add the basic human psychology of... you can't give people something and then take it away. Then recognize that this belief system has been ingrained in Americans for hundreds of years.

For those of you that don't know how America was found, read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War

I didn't say it's ok to commit crimes with them. I'm saying there is accountability. And just like you have to register, and they can be traced to owner, who bought them, etc.

Imagine if they are illegal and black market, there is no accountability. Seems like you are ok with that. And easier for person to get away.

If the black market took over, there would be more crimes with guns, more blood shed.

I've been all over the world and I would suggest that the biggest factor in levels of gun violence is cultural, not the presence or absence of guns or legality of gun ownership.

Get rid of them then.

It is. If you have less guns, less people get shot. Black and white.

It's really simple maths. Or math, as you say.

But please post a link to something proving that wrong.

Pretty good idea. I suggest after that we get rid of drugs and alcohol.

Well isnt that odd. In Holland only criminals have guns and still there is WAY less gun violence. Jeesh, almost looks like you are talking right out of your ass! Who would've expected that from a dumb little piece o fshit who defended his credit card banging boss for months while lying straight into the face of all the affiliates who paid for your shitty job.

I don't think it has to do with guns being illegal. There are other factors.

Thanks for that. I read up to "maths" and thought "what the hell is this foreigner talking about in his savage native tongue?" Then continued reading and saw you added the translation which was a big help to me personally.

:2 cents:

Stats don't agree with you. And i tend to believe stats.

Page 5 and you still didn't realize this thread is about guns? That's pretty goddamn dumb.

Wait, are you the guy who pulled a gun on an old lady whilst walking your dog?

You all seem to be suggesting that banning guns will solve a problem.

I point you to prohibition and the war on drugs. Laws do not change cultural mentality. Afghanistan, Iraq, and countless other African/Middle Eastern wars prove this as well.

Incorrect. What an odd distortion of the truth.

"There are about 80,000 people with a gun license in the Netherlands."

http://qsi.cc/blog/archives/000144.html

I dont think you even understand your own country and its gun use LOL

yes they do. prohibitions against smoking have had a great effect.

A drunk driver kills someone. We better ban alcohol completely too. Because we know how well that worked in the 1920s, hahahaha....

Wah?

Gun amnesty. Simple.

Are you really trying to compare The Netherlands to the United States?

Do you keep missing the pretty pictures I post showing you're totally wrong?

:1orglaugh here?

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That's a terrible example. There has been a huge stigma around cigarettes for several decades now and also a huge education program that revolves around teaching people not to smoke.

The same would need to be done for guns and it would take many decades to make any impact at all. Not to mention, guns are not a consumable good. Cigarettes you buy, often daily (same with drugs and alcohol), guns you own for good. Gun owners are not getting rid of guns unless they want to get rid of them.

this article does it, and as it shows, Netherlands has its fair share of both violence and lots of licensed gun owners. And dont forget the huge amount of UNLICENSED gun owners. Article even says, by european standards getting a gun in netherlands, is easy...

http://qsi.cc/blog/archives/000144.html

Wait, so a kid can take a beer to school with the intention of shooting another kid? Interesting.

It worked here.

Well I've proven less guns = less people killed with guns. It's not really suggesting anything. It's demonstrable.

Yes, worldwide the war on drugs has failed. But in countries with strict gun control, MANY MANY less people per 100k get shot.

Fact.

Yes you dumbass i'm aware there is a group of people with guns in Holland other than criminals. Yes, i should've pointed that out but i highly doubt there is anybody here who doesn't understand that just like any other country we have gun clubs who practice shooting as a sport.

These aren't the gun owners as they as in the US. With a bunch of small guns within hand reach to "protect" their home.
They don't conceal them while going out. They don't have them with them in the car etc etc.
These are mostly people with rifles that only are used for sports once a week.

Still it doesn't change the fact that there are way less guns per 1000 people in Holland with results in way less gun violence. Something that is still really fucking hard to understand for hicks like you.

I'm too lazy to look. I mean that a culture that is more aggressive in nature, where major violence/violent crimes is more common is more likely to own guns and more likely to shoot people with them. Just like the USA... gun violence is largely limited to very shitty areas.

ALL of your citizens voluntarily turned over their firearms? Every one of them?

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Interesting. Mexico has only 15 guns per 100 people. And US 88 per 100. But the Firearm homicides per capita is higher in Mexico.

http://i.imgur.com/KzCFp.png

http://i.imgur.com/pdtyY.png

tell me again WHY did you ask me to remove you off ignore when this is all you do?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

"oh fletch ive been such a dick trolling you I do it for no reason and I know ive been a douche" basically your words... LOL

now you pissed because I actually discuss something with you and prove you wrong?

LOLz