Uhm yes, i did. What's your problem with that? I'm trying to show what every normal person knows:
Less guns = less gun violence.

Typically the only people who can't understand this are gun owners.. How odd is that.

No one is arguing that the cause needs to be addressed. People are pointing out if you had less guns, less people would be shot.

Come up with a counterpoint to that, rather than building straw men.

All government's have guns dumbass. ALL.

Interesting. Mexico has only 15 guns per 100 people. And US 88 per 100. But the Firearm homicides per capita is higher in Mexico.

That's not what I said. I said not everyone has a gun with the intent to kill someone.

What they were designed for is irrelevant. I use paper binders as computer cable holders. Wasn't what they were designed for, but that's how I use them. Just like a gun, not everyone has one so they can kill people.

Sport, collection, investment, and protection would top the list. If you want to see guns that has a single purpose of killing people, look no further than any military force in the world. If you want to see guns made for killing animals, look at hunters.


It doesn't matter what they were intended for. A diesel engine was built to run on peanut oil. Guns have transcended what they were built for.


Yet the companies who make the guns and bullets send 1000s of guns and millions of bullets to countries all over the world where they are used to kill kids, mostly by military forces.

What the owner bought the gun for is again irreverent. He may be a gunsmith or a policeman. We don't know yet.



I hope you don't.



"Thought to be" is where you're making the wrong assumption. Many nations that should be civilized are not. If in question, look to history or even recent times and see what happens during times of protest or civil unrest.


It isn't where I live and guns are more easily obtained than in the USA, as are serious assault weapons.


Great post DJ. :thumbsup

The cause is lax gun laws, the end result is 'High School shooting in Ohio'.

What are you saying? Less guns does not result in less gun violence? Seriously?

Should we make grenades as easy to get as guns? Why not? It won't result in more grenade violence? Right?
Right Fletch?


Right Fletch???

Answer me Fletch, is that correct?

Short answer: yes. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Of course, it's infringed all the time, and in many different ways, but as long as fat ass rednecks to get to shoot deer and impotently blog about the Illuminati, the NWO or the zombie apocalypse, nobody really cares.

The point of the right to keep and bear arms is said to be to ward off tyrannical Government. The good people of the late 18th century had essentially the same weapons as the Government, so by rights the people of 2012 should have the same weapons as the Government. How else do we fight tyranny?

Funny thing is, gunloons do not agree, presumably believing their stash of AR-15s is enough to fight off a tyrannical Government's collection of tactical nuclear missiles.

How about overall violence? Honest question, how are overall violence stats compared to the US?

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:thumbsup

The dumb fucking scammer defending piece of shit is getting serious now. Posting in a big font :1orglaugh
Watch out everybody.

Only 15 per 100 people :1orglaugh Love the part where he says "only".

It's a funny thread. Most arguments on GFY have two sides of people both talking out of their arses.

Here, we have one group of people talking with facts proving that more guns = more gun crime, and other people just saying "nyaah nyaah nyaah I can't here you".

Funny stuff.

God bless the NRA!

No.

Semi automatic / automatic guns from memory.

I don't know. Look it up. In the meantime i have a question for you.

Should we make grenades easy to get? Why not, it won't result in more grenade violence?

Obviously there are no reliable gun stats from Mexico - i seriously doubt the cartels are reporting their container loads of small arms.

wow thats deep, its almost like the politicians saying downloaders outnumber uploaders...

ummm, duh?

More trains = more train crashes too.

Actually, many of us are saying that we don't care and it is still our right either way. Stupid people are stupid people. Don't touch my guns.

Yes, that makes me a stupid American hick... who doesn't own guns but fully supports the right to do so.

So why in Mexico there are less guns per capita than the U.S., is the per capita gun homicide rate higher in Mexico?

This means less guns DOES NOT equal less violence.

Im normally not a gambling man, but im willing to bet, the number of horse carrriage deaths are DOWN since we switched to the automobile,... but then.... damn auto deaths are up.

see how that works?

Did any of you ever take a statistics class? LOL

Interesting numbers for sure. Thanks for digging that up.

Cue the non-Americans to tell you those numbers are wrong. They have to be.

It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that you're trying to compare a nation like the United States, to the extent that it can be glossed over as a singular entity, with a population of 314 million; to a nation like The Netherlands, to the extent that it can be glossed over as a singular entity, with a population of 14 million?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

:1orglaugh amazing how you get 10 3rd world shitcountries and then right after that the US hahaha

All these countries have shitloads of guns.
But ofcourse that's totally not related to the fact that they are the countries with the most gun violence.

Toooootally not related because more guns = not more gun violence, as we all know :1orglaugh

Interesting how Saudi Arabia has a high gun per capita rate. But doesn't even show on the gun homicides per capita rankings...

Jesus! Are you fucking serious?
Do you know what per 1000 means?

Holy shit..

I'm not even gonna explains this.

The stupidity here is just scary.

Omg....

This is bad.

Fuck man. Seriously? We can't compare Holland to the US because Holland is smaller?

Unbelievable.

shhhh, those are facts.

because mexico is a lawless shithole. compare the US to japan or canada.

Oh that suddenly is a fact but showing that every shithole country (and the US) has more guns and more gun violence is quitely ignored. But when you can find one country where it's different than you all start crying about facts.

Pathetic fucking rednecks.

Netherlands;

Variable Amount/description Rank
Crime > Assaults 44,129 [14th of 58]
Crime > Car thefts (per capita) 2.33559 per 1,000 people [15th of 55]
Crime > Drug offences 47 per 100,000 people [20th of 36]
Crime > Illicit drugs
major European producer of ecstasy, illicit amphetamines, and other synthetic drugs; important gateway for cocaine, heroin, and hashish entering Europe; major source of US-bound ecstasy; large financial sector vulnerable to money laundering
Crime > Murders 183 [40th of 63]
Crime > Murders (per capita) 0.0111538 per 1,000 people [51st of 62]
Crime > Rapes 1,648 [20th of 66]
Crime > Rapes (per capita) 0.100445 per 1,000 people [22nd of 65]
Crime > Total crimes 1,305,640 [14th of 61]
Crime > Total crimes (per capita) 79.5779 per 1,000 people


USA;

Variable Amount/description Rank
Crime > Assaults 2,238,480 [1st of 58]
Crime > Car thefts (per capita) 3.8795 per 1,000 people [9th of 55]
Crime > Murders 12,658 [6th of 63]
Crime > Murders (per capita) 0.042802 per 1,000 people [24th of 62]
Crime > Murders with firearms 8,259 [4th of 32]
Crime > Murders with firearms (per capita) 0.0279271 per 1,000 people [8th of 32]
Crime > Rapes 89,110 [1st of 66]
Crime > Rapes (per capita) 0.301318 per 1,000 people [9th of 65]
Crime > Total crimes 23,677,800 [1st of 61]
Crime > Total crimes (per capita) 80.0645 per 1,000 people [8th of 60]

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

That's weird? With all those guns criminals are afraid to commit crimes in the US right? That's what i keep reading here. Still there is more criminality in general than in Holland.

But anyway, we can't compare Holland to the US because there are less people living in Holland :1orglaugh

I'd like to see if someone tries to come in and rob your home with a gun, and all you have is a knife or baseball bat. Since guns are illegal and you can't own one, but the criminal (who will get a hold of anyway no matter what) does.

Another way to look at those facts is that gun ownership is high in both countries and so are gun related deaths.

Also comparing US to Mexico ?

How about comparing the US with a close first world neighbour like umm hmmm let me think - Canada?

Canada 30.8 - rank 13
US 88.8 - rank 1

Congratulations you guys are FIRST :thumbsup

Yeah thank god in your country where every other person has a gun things are way more safe.

Because we all know it's way more safer if every hick around you owns a gun instead of a few criminals who you most likely will never run into in your life.
Makes perfect sense*





*If you are a dumb fucking redneck idiot

Yes, everyone in the US is a redneck hick living in the hills.

Well, i'm done here. I just want you hillbillies to know that i approve of your gun law.
If it's up to me they should make guns and all other weapons completely legal in your country. Really, that would make my day.
I'm really happy for you guys it's so easy for every idiot to own a gun. I mean this.
Goodnight my responsible gun owning friends!

This is true. I'm not sure why we deny this, it's something we should be proud of.

Rednecks for life.

Such a valid point.

I can't count the number of times i've had to chase off an intruder with a butter knife.

Wish Is hads mes as guns tos shootss dose crimunarls

No, your can't. Any physicist could tell you that very big things do not behave in the same fashion as very small things, even if they share properties. Nations are not dissimilar. As the number of citizens rises, complexity rises. Complexity rises still further for the addition of multiple cultures, poverty issues and a whole host of other differences between The U.S. and Holland.

Did you know cities with the most casinos have the most gambling?

Thanks, for looking that up.

Seems we need to drop marijuana laws too, chill out the population.


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How about looking at if there were less guns, less people would be shot?

Shit happens. I hope it never happens to you, cause you're fucked if it does.


Why does it matter what country to compare it against? The argument is more guns equals more gun related deaths. Which isn't the case in Mexico.


Here is an interesting read on the worlds worst serial killers. None of them used firearms.

Read: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/495477.stm

Non-Americans who know everything about US gun culture, care to explain how this is possible?

They also win on FATTEST too!

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/he...health-obesity

GO USA!

If there were less shoe stores, less people would have shoes.

haha

This is one thing I have never understood about the US.

Marijuana is illegal yet guns are seen as an essential household item.

BTW - I love visiting the US, no problem with the people at all from my experience, simply do not get the love for guns.

We also have the best teeth. Sorry England. :Oh crap