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Old 02-27-2012, 11:29 AM   #51
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Stop crying about why don't millions of people stab eachother. Totally not relavant.
Not crying, trying to help you see logic in this discussion. But anyway, ill leave this all to you guys, really this isnt that exciting LOL
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Not crying, trying to help you see logic in this discussion. But anyway, ill leave this all to you guys, really this isnt that exciting LOL
Should bazookas be legal? You're not gonna ignore my question, are you?

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1 million dead people using guns by the government - foreign policy
1 dead in a school shooting - BAN GUNS!!!


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Well, if he couldn't get a gun, he wouldn't have been able to shoot anyone.

It's really simple.

He may have been able to smoke near them though. Or sup on a 40. Yes. Good point.

Heheh.
When I was in high school we had one suicide where a girl managed to blow her head off with her dads shotgun. We had another incident where kids were out joy riding and shot a gun out of their car window into a corn field. On the other side of the field a car just happened to be driving on a distant road and as luck would have it, shot the driver right in the head. The kid who was shot had just graduated from our school the year before.

Two kids dead from guns. Parents went nuts.

I think there were 5 or 6 deaths in my four years of high school that were car accident related. Besides the deaths, no one cared they were killed in cars, yet cars had killed more than guns.

It's the stigma that comes with guns. Nothing more. People are afraid of them so people freak out when there is an accident.

I was shooting guns when I was in the 6th grade. Both my dad and step dad owned guns. My dad owned a lot of them, some were crazy ass machine guns he got from lord knows where. No one was shot with them. No one was ever hurt. Why not? Because guns are only a problem when they are in the hands of unstable people, or unless there is an accident. Sane and responsible people with guns are not a problem.

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You know he shot people, right? With a gun?
If guns didn't exist he may have found other means to kill them if he was motivated. A gun is just the easiest option. Without a gun he may have improvised if he really wanted them to die.

If I wanted to kill you, I wouldn't let the absence of a gun get in the way.
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A gun is just the easiest option. Without a gun he may have improvised if he really wanted them to die.
And guess what? He had easy access to a gun.
An object that is not needed in daily life whatsoever.

I have a question for you. Should bazookas be legal?
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the kid just didn't like school. nothing deeper than that. the end.
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Hello, because im working LOL as i said... its a boring old troll debate, done soooo many times. We get it, you hate stoners and guns. LOL

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But anyway, ill leave this all to you guys, really this isnt that exciting LOL
soon as you start with the "stop crying" shit there is no need to discuss anything further, i have work to do. You think I want try change your opinion on guns? LOLOL
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:53 AM   #59
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Well, if he couldn't get a gun, he wouldn't have been able to shoot anyone.

It's really simple.

He may have been able to smoke near them though. Or sup on a 40. Yes. Good point.

Heheh.
Guns are everywhere, you can't put them back, things will never be like they once were, get use to it, adapt or die.

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It's the stigma that comes with guns. Nothing more. People are afraid of them so people freak out when there is an accident.
I think its more a question of what is considered acceptable and reasonable. Guns are generally not considered necessary... cars are generally considered necessary.
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If someone wants a gun, they can get it. Making rules or laws are not going to work. They simply do NOT work....or you would see 0 crimes. Good god!
Sorry love, facts prove you are horribly wrong on that one:



Very high gun ownership in America = the highest deaths rate per 100k in the world.

Very low gun ownership in the UK = one of the lowest death rate per 100k.

It's really fucking simple. Less guns = less people likely to get fucking shot by a fucking gun.

Good grief!
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Hello, because im working LOL as i said... its a boring old troll debate, done soooo many times. We get it, you hate stoners and guns. LOL



soon as you start with the "stop crying" shit there is no need to discuss anything further, i have work to do. You think I want try change your opinion on guns? LOLOL
And still no answer.

Let's try again:

Should bazookas be legal?
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Who cares if he had easy access to a gun?
The parents of the people he shot probably care.
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Guns are everywhere, you can't put them back, things will never be like they once were, get use to it, adapt or die.

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That's the problem. You can't suddenly ban guns now in the US.
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It's really fucking simple. Less guns = less people likely to get fucking shot by a fucking gun.

Good grief!
I'm totally clueless how anybody with an iq above 80 can't understand this.
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Who cares if he had easy access to a gun? Makes no difference whatsoever. Please look at the cause, not effect


He had access to many weapons I'm sure. He could have also poured gas on someone and burned them. He choose a gun for reasons only he knows. But that is not the issue. The issue is the kid had problems. Problems that most everyone in this thread refuse to even acknowledge as the real issue at hand. As far as I see it, it's the only issue. But like every other issue in society, no one ever wants to get to the root of a problem. Lets just scape goat it or stick a band-aid on it and hope it goes away.

The fact he had a gun, acquired easily or not, is irrelevant. The real issue, and the only issue that is important, is what is wrong with the kid to make him kill someone at school.

Personally, I wish everyone (non-criminal) was easily granted a concealed license permit and had to take X amount of training in order to carry. Violent crime more or less wouldn't exist anymore. If Betty the soccer mom was packing, as was Joe the mailman and Jimmy the bus driver, people wouldn't be getting out line so quick.
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It's amazing how the rest of the world manages it, Johnny.

Did you see the nice picture I posted?

It proves that in America you have lots of guns and that means lots and lots and lots of people get shot. It also showed in the UK, Netherlands and Japan there aren't many guns and hardly anyone gets shot

EXPLAIN THAT, GENIUS!!!?!?!1111oneoneone

It's beyond me!

It's like Markham invented Magic Gun Laws or sommink!???!!111oeoneon

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lol. free guns have ruined America.
Fractional reserve banking, the federal reserve, government spending, poor public schools, mass consumerism, and being a welfare state has ruined America. Not guns.
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its also easy to get cigarettes, knives, gas, and alcohol not all of us smoke and drink, make bombs or stab people.

your logic is terribly flawed. terribly.
Not flawed. We know that "people kill, not guns", however easy availability plays a MAJOR part in this. When we hear about some school or workplace shootings in the world 50% of the time is is in USA. Simple, america is crazy gun land, every second redneck owns a shotgun.
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theres one thing you can be certain of in these threads, its never *really* about freedom or guns, or anything except.... bashing America. If you notice, the ones bashing guns usually include quick jabs at America as a whole.

Its ok guys, hate America! yeah! fuck em! lolz they all rednecks with guns!

so childish.
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american gun culture is insane. they think it's normal to sleep with guns under their pillows or patrol their garbage bins with machine guns.

no wonder when people there have problems or get frustrated the first thing they do is to grab a gun and start shooting people.

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theres one thing you can be certain of in these threads, its never *really* about freedom or guns, or anything except.... bashing America. If you notice, the ones bashing guns usually include quick jabs at America as a whole.

Its ok guys, hate America! yeah! fuck em! lolz they all rednecks with guns!

so childish.
Should bazookas be legal?
Why do you refuse to answer this? Is there a specific reason for it?
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Why do you refuse to answer this? Is there a specific reason for it?

well, perhaps, because they already ARE LEGAL?

I honestly skip over dumb shit i dont feel i have to state. You want to debate things that are already true.
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Why are cars necessary?

If you're going to ban guns, then the government can't have them either or it doesn't logically make sense
Sure. You make perfect sense. That's why I print my own money.
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I think its more a question of what is considered acceptable and reasonable. Guns are generally not considered necessary... cars are generally considered necessary.
They are not a necessity. However, since they do exist, everyone who is not a criminal should have one. In a perfect world they would have never existed. But to ban them all now would only allow the bad guys to have them. And the ban wouldn't stop gun sales away.

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It proves that in America you have lots of guns and that means lots and lots and lots of people get shot. It also showed in the UK, Netherlands and Japan there aren't many guns and hardly anyone gets shot

EXPLAIN THAT, GENIUS!!!?!?!1111oneoneone
Americans have issues. I've been all over the world, literally. Twice. Never come across people like Americans. I blame it on society, not guns.


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Not flawed. We know that "people kill, not guns", however easy availability plays a MAJOR part in this. When we hear about some school or workplace shootings in the world 50% of the time is is in USA. Simple, america is crazy gun land, every second redneck owns a shotgun.
It's written into law that we can own them. Yee-haw.

But truth be told, if guns never existed they would just kill each other with bows and arrows or knives. Both the family and society are broken on many levels and this is the result.

Cavemen clubbed each other to death. You bloody English who don't have guns, have hooligans. People are dysfunctional and violent. That's all there is to it. And as society unravels, it will get worse.
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well, perhaps, because they already ARE LEGAL?

I honestly skip over dumb shit i dont feel i have to state. You want to debate things that are already true.
You can buy bazookas as easily as you can buy a gun?
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american gun culture is insane. they think it's normal to sleep with guns under their pillows or patrol their garbage bins with machine guns.

no wonder when people there have problems or get frustrated the first thing they do is to grab a gun and start shooting people.
Never seen that, or even heard of it, but I don't doubt it happens. But it's not normal to do those things.
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You can buy bazookas as easily as you can buy a gun?
Thats not what you asked, your question was: "Should we make bazookas legal?" They already are.

I shall take NO MORE SILLY questions
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Is this correct? Can anybody just buy a bazooka in the US?
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bazookas don't kill people. people do.
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Thats not what you asked, your question was: "Should we make bazookas legal?"

I shall take NO MORE SILLY questions
Ah, so you are twisting and turning my answer in order to avoid answering it. What a surprise.

What's the problem Fletch? You know damn well what i'm asking. Why do you refuse to answer it?
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Never seen that, or even heard of it, but I don't doubt it happens. But it's not normal to do those things.
just taking examples from why people post here. why you have to sleep with a gun under your pillow when you live in a nice neighborhood is beyond me, but seems people here do.
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Ok just for you Fletchxxx. Should people who can and are allowed to buy a gun be allowed to as easily buy a bazooka as well.

Is this question good enough for you or are you gonna find another reason to not have to answer it?
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my opinion doesnt matter. fact is, people who can buy guns can also buy a bazooka. Not sure why you want to seek my opinion, im talking facts not opinion.
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my opinion doesnt matter. fact is, people who can buy guns can also buy a bazooka. Not sure why you want to seek my opinion, im talking facts not opinion.
Just as easy? So anybody who can pick up a gun can just as easily pick up a bazooka? That is the truth? Honesty, i don't live there so i don't know. I have to assume you are being honest with me.
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its also easy to get cigarettes, knives, gas, and alcohol not all of us smoke and drink, make bombs or stab people.

your logic is terribly flawed. terribly.
Hes dead on, heres in Toronto u cant get a gun for shit and we get like 2-3 shooting a year, do the math Einstein...
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:43 PM   #91
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my opinion doesnt matter. fact is, people who can buy guns can also buy a bazooka. Not sure why you want to seek my opinion, im talking facts not opinion.
Ok, let me put it this way. I hope you will answer this.
Should every American who is allowed to buy a gun also be allowed to BUY any other weapon. Any weapon you can think of?

Will you finally answer that then?
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:45 PM   #92
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i don't live there so i don't know.
At least you admit it.

fact is, its not as easy as you all make it out to be to buy guns in America. I know plenty of people who cannot buy guns legally. You guys think I can just walk in walmart and buy a bazooka and that I walk around my garbage can with a machine gun. As an American, I find it difficult to even discuss this stuff with you guys because you sound silly like a fairy tale.

In our country, if you get the proper license you can buy a gun, if you get a proper license you can buy a bazooka, same way we regulate drivers licenses to bigger vehicles like 18 wheelers. we also make people take a test to ride a motorcycle and they must wear a helmet, *gasp* oh the freedoms!

fact is its more regulated than you guys pretend it to be and just sit back and bash americans and guns and our country in general, honestly its not worth the time to me hahah

i mean, in california i cant even own a magazine with more than i think 15 bullets, and they dont recognize copnceal permits from my home state etc,... but here yall come saying everyone in america just owns guns and walks around in daylight brandishing machine guns.

its a fucking fairy tale and not worth the debate.
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At least you admit it.

fact is, its not as easy as you all make it out to be to buy guns in America.
Ok, well now that we know that i can ask you a more detailed question. Should it be just as easy as buying a gun?

Just answer that please and then we're done. It already took an hour to get to this point. I wonder why.
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Fractional reserve banking, the federal reserve, government spending, poor public schools, mass consumerism, and being a welfare state has ruined America. Not guns.
It was a joke, in reply to the post I quoted.

FYI, guns aren't free. It was a reference to free porn ruining porn

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You're COMPLETELY missing the point

WOOOOSH over your head!
thank you. its like hes stuck on 1+1 while im trying to teach him polygons.
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Americans have issues. I've been all over the world, literally. Twice. Never come across people like Americans. I blame it on society, not guns.
That's lovely.

Statistics show that more people get shot by countries with high percentage of gun ownership. As I proved.

Feel free to post citations contradicting that, or just post your own opinion as if it were a fact, whichever is less work for you.
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Not gonna answer it Fletch, i assume?
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I hate to think what I am allowed or not allowed to do always comes down to the lowest common denominator. A dumb shit kid with problems shoots someone so now I can't own a gun. How fucked up is that? That's actually more fucked up than what he did.

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I hate to think what I am allowed or not allowed to do always comes down to the lowest common denominator. A dumb shit kid with problems shoots someone so now I can't own a gun. How fucked up is that?

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You don't hear me say that. Buy all the guns you want, i really don't care.
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Thats not what you asked, your question was: "Should we make bazookas legal?" They already are.

I shall take NO MORE SILLY questions
Who asked that?



Dear non-Americans, you can buy almost any weapon you want (within reason) at gun shows.
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