fatfoo

This topic is interesting. It involves digging up the past. How the hell could those ancient guys move enormous rocks (weighing 10-100 tons)? This could have been done because many people at the same time are pushing the rocks. This could also have been achieved through pulleys, levers, wheels and other such mechanisms. How did they cut the perfect hieroglyphs into granite stones? I'm sure some of them were talented carvers. In other words, they had a good eye to create art that perhaps resembles real life. How did the Egyptians made those statues out of granite, when they haven't had tools from diamond? Some of these rocks can break into small pieces even without diamonds. Hit one rock on another rock until it breaks.

Some of this ancient art seems primitive. Below, you will see one of the more impressive ones - the pornographic ones that resemble real life.

That's from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajanta_Caves.

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DWB

That's right.

It's also possible that whatever was once there that may have had intelligent life, may now be long gone. Or not.


How can you write that with a straight face? That sort of comment sounds like something that would be said by someone who believes earth is the center of the universe.

Us humans, even the most brilliant of us all, can only see a tiny fraction of what we believe to be the universe. Odds are there are many planets out there capable of sustaining life of all kinds. Odds are there are lots of planets full of intelligent beings. In relation to the universe, we are a piece of micro dust on a piece of dust.

Truth is, what we think is the universe, may be nothing more than our entire existence and perception of the universe floating in a fart bubble in another world so huge our simple minds could never fathom its enormity. To suggest that only microbial life is all that could be out there is arrogant in every form of the world.

Lets assume dust mites are intelligent beings. Primitive, but intelligent. How do you think your house appears to them? It is so incredibly huge there could not possibly be anything beyond your front door. Everything is so large around them that they may not even notice humans roaming about. They certainly would not notice space, stars, the moon, or the universe. My point is, we don't have any real reference as to what our size is. We know our size in comparison to what we think is the all mighty universe that contains all there could ever be, but what if we are so small that we can't see what is directly above us? Do you think a piss ant would notice the Sears Tower if it stood at its front door?

There is life out there. Intelligent life. There is no doubt about it. Statistically there has to be. But have they been here? Who knows. Unless they come back in our lifetime, none of us will ever know.

TheSquealer

My point was simple. "Life on somewhere else in the universe" when it comes to a simple issue of mathematical probability is almost certain.

"Life that's highly advanced and capable of intergalactic travel and that has visited this planet" is an entirely different equation.

Our existence on this earth has been for approx 10-20 million years. As one example, there have been quite a few cosmic events that have nearly destroyed this planet and destroyed most life on it (not to mention the radical climate and atmospheric changes and so on). As one simple example, that is something that a form of life would have to survive to evolve and advance and that adds to the odds against that happening.

What I was saying is that in addition to the simple assumption that life must exist out there somewhere, there is a whole other set of conditions that must be met for that life in whatever form it is, to advance and evolve to the point where its mastered space travel over such vast distances. 1:X planets similar to earth has little to do with the actual probability of life not just existing somewhere but evolving to the point where its capable of traveling to earth from another corner of the universe and telling a bunch of baby killers how to move rocks.

Relying on the statement that "Statistically, there has to be intelligent life out there" is ignoring the sheer enormity of the odds against.

One could argue that what we know about quantum physics tells us that you also have a 100% chance of walking straight through your bathroom door. Relying on that fact to rationalize trying to do so, ignores the fact that the odds of doing it successfully are so remote, that it will never happen.

Odd that someone who is so resistant to the notion of God, is so open to the blind faith of intergalactic space traveling aliens. I don't personally see a difference, as both require a great deal of faith to believe in. It's simply a question of what one chooses to believe.

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Paul Markham

That's the only part we're debating. Now what's considered intelligent life?

A mouse able to find food, detect a danger?

A monkey that can swing from tree to tree?

A caveman who can fashion a stone into a knife?

A man who figures out when to plants his crops?

Or someone who's so advanced they can travel 1,000s of light years, which could mean bending space, withstand the journey, arrive in one piece, not be killed the moment he/she/it opened the door of his/her/it's space craft. Able to do all this numerous times. Afford the huge, gigantic cost of such a project. So he can teach Egyptians to put one block on top of another? That level of intelligent life is something I doubt.

More believable and proven is Man himself figured it all out by himself.

Seriously some here need a lesson in logical thinking.

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Got in before me.

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Aliens are 99.99999% not likely to be humanoid... they are going to be bacteria type things or at most like fish or something...

Even if they were comparable to humans, the fact that they would be able to travel here is impossibly low as well.

Now lets say everything worked out that beings with human capabilities figured out space travel to get here, they are NOT GOING TO PILE UP A BUNCH OF ROCKS IN THE FUCKING DESERT AND THEN GO HOME! WTF!

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Also if they were to teach humans to make pyramids, why would they want to have hundreds of thousands of human laborers build something that basically serves no purpose? (what does a pyramid do that a normal kings castle or whatever does not?) When they could have taught us to make computers and build our own spaceships... why not teach us manufacturing processes or something actually useful?

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The Aliens had the Egyptians make the pyramids for them not for the Egyptians.

I wasn't going to say anything but the purpose of the pyramids was to serve as a landing base for the Alien Spacecraft. It acted like a giant golf tee that the spacecraft could safely land on without getting sand in it's engine parts because we all know what sand can do to an engine.

Nembrionic

And you found proof of this where?

Dirty F

God, you are insane...

You know they lock people up for less right? So seek help man. You are mentally ill.

Dirty F

Youtube.

Dirty F

The aliens can fly through space. The most hostile place there is but they needed a pyramid to land on or else the sand would fuck up their engine

Yes, you are really reading that. And he is serious.

Dirty F

Et's can fly through space, faster than the speed of light, through wormholes, avoid rocks, debris, radiation, handle insane cold and insane heat but needed to build a pyramid to avoid some sand

And how did the first spaceship land there exactly?

Phoenix

one thing that amuses me in this thread is everyone assumes an advanced being would need to fly through space as we do.

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Dirty F

Who does? I'm pretty sure most people here realize that they obviously don't (if they would visit other planets) because distance simply makes that impossible.

Dirty F

BTW Phoenix, you still think the moon landing is a hoax

The shit i've read from you here over the years...damn man...

DWB

I disagree based on the enormity of the universe and how little we know of it. Intelligent life is only against the odds if you look at it through the eyes of human beings and what we think we know about the universe and life. We can't even cure cancer. How can we possibly know what is needed for life to exist a billion light years away?

It is possible that there is a planet just like ours out there, maybe millions of planets just like ours, with people just like us, who may not be any more technologically advanced than we are. We assume that beings from space will be superior and more intelligent, able to travel long distances at fast speeds. But that's all just a guess. They may be just like us. Maybe less advanced. Maybe 1000+ years more advanced. But they still can't make the long journey to our planet. Maybe, just maybe, no one can travel such distances regardless of how advanced they may be.

And what we think must take place in order for life to happen may be wrong too. Maybe that only applies in our galaxy. Maybe in another galaxy everything is different and life can exist within a different set of rules. We just don't know. And because of this, I can only believe that the chances are great that there are many other planets existing with intelligent life on them.

Our galaxy alone has something like over 200 billion stars. One thing I read said there may be over 500 billion different galaxies. Those are figures none of us can fathom. To think there may not be intelligent life out there is just silly. Like I said before, our rules for life may not apply throughout the entire universe. Or they may have it all wrong. Just 2000 or so years ago everyone thought the world was flat. 2000 years is a blink of the eye in the grand scheme of things. Imagine what they will think in 2000 more years. One thing is for sure and that is they will think TOTALLY different than they do today, about everything.

To paraphrase the dad from the movie Contact, the universe would be a big waste of space if we were the only ones in it.


I'm actually not resistant to the idea of god at all. I just don't believe in religion. It's the definition of "god" that is open for debate, but I would not be surprised at all if something created us, as our bodily functions are too perfect to have been an accident. Whatever that something is, would be your god. But I'm smart enough to know that I can not comprehend such a being or whatever it may be, so it's easier to just accept the fact that there may be a god and leave it at that. Just not a god in the biblical sense. I think all of that is total horse shit meant to control the masses.


Well, it is debatable if humans are intelligent beings. Yea, we're the smartest living creatures we know of but in the grand scale of things that doesn't make us intelligent. And considering how all we do is destroy, I'd wouldn't nominate us to be put on the intergalactic list of intelligent life forms, should there be a list.

DWB

That's exactly what I'm saying. They could be simple farmers with no electricity. They may be cavemen. They could be just like us and unable to go anywhere. They could be more advanced than us by 1000s years and still not able to travel at light speed (or whatever they need to do to travel far). Maybe they have no desire to leave their world for whatever reason. And the list goes on. Just because they are alien doesn't mean they fly around hitting warp speed in the millennium falcon.

TheSquealer

The context of this discussion (and my remarks) is with respect to alien life forms visiting this planet and playing a role in the construction of structures such as the pyramids. That is a vastly different discussion than "other life might exist in the universe in some form".

I don't disagree with anything you said, was more addressing prior posts within the context of that discussion in my remarks.

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DWB

OK. I misunderstand what you said.

I can chalk structures up to brains and man power, as massive or well made as they may be. It's the cave drawings and artifacts of winged machines that make me scratch my head. Building pyramids is one thing, but they would not have any concept at all of flying machines. Winged humans, OK. Maybe they want to be birds. But things that look like airplanes or machines, or the globes / circles over their heads, I find incredibly unusual. It's those little things that make me say, just maybe.

justinsain

I read it in Golf Digest magazine while in the waiting room of a hospital for the mentally ill.

Nembrionic

Typical, you mock me for asking where you got your evidence from, yet we have to bring on evidence of the contrary.

Hypocritical fucks, the lot of you

justinsain

I wasn't being serious with the golf tee comment.

I thought it would conjure up a funny mental vision of a big old rust bucket spacecraft trying to land on a pyramid built so it wouldn't get sand on its oil soaked cummins diesel engine. I didn't think anyone would take seriously something so absurd.

I really don't know how to play with you guys so I think I'll go watch some TV

brentbacardi

Um think about this, back then, no computers, no video games, no cars, no nothing! How do you think they spent their free time? They were probably pretty bored much of the time...

Now think of the science that goes into a paper airplane... its actually pretty simple to learn about basic aero dynamics just from a sheet of paper...

So you are telling me, no caveman or anyone saw a big fucking leaf fall in the jungle and go "Wow it dont drop like rock ughabugga, me try make one better, or one i can use for fun, ughabugga" . So they probably fucking did since they had nothing fun to do after having a long day of finding food and shit. Plus they see birds and want to fly, its not hard to put 2 and 2 together. But you would never find any remains of them throwing leaf planes around the jungle but when you see a cave drawing or some shit about flying you dismiss it as aliens or impossible or whatever.

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After 6 pages you still do not realize that none of what was said in here had anything to do with the existence of aliens? Every point you tried to make only makes you look more ignorant then anything. You keep talking about the elite this, the elite that blah blah blah.. Like you know EVERYTHING. You know every single thing that is going on in the world and the reason why and whatever other useless shit your brain is fabricating, but no one else knows. Sorry to say, but this makes you look like the idiot here.

I have read every single post in this thread and almost all people in here believe that there are aliens. Again, the point of the whole thread was aliens making the Egyptians build the pyramids. Of course, you continued to go way off topic with every post that you made and again with your last post you're still on the whole "people don't believe in aliens" shit. You want people to believe that you are smart? Stop acting like a person who got dropped on his/her head multiple times as a child and maybe, just maybe people will listen.

Also, I believe that your brain is BURSTING with a virus that has eaten up all of your brain cells.

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chaze

I agree 100% the whole justifying it with rope and logs is BS. I think the aliens from then are still in our society, just adapted.

brentbacardi

When it comes down to it, its fun to think about and pretty interesting but not anything that is going to change my life or make me a believer. Its for entertainment purposes mostly but who knows, it could be true and that is the fun of it. Is it true, probably no.

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The amount of nutjobs on gfy is frightening.

Paul Markham

Go look at ancient arrows and see these people had mastered the technology of flight. What they lacked was the technology of power to put anything larger than an arrow into flight for a short time and distance.

Icarus for those who think Aliens taught them about flight. The problem wasn't the wing technology. It was the power to flap them. Ever eaten fowl and seen the size of the birds muscles to power the wings? That's what man lacked until he mastered machines.

So your "proof" is the lack of proof.

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I'm not talking about bird people. I can totally understand them drawing winged people. I'm talking about things that look like flying machines, drawings of fire coming out of what looks to be thrusts of machines, and halos or globes of sorts around the heads of those depicted to be their gods. Those are the images I find the most interesting. They are not a slam dunk for me, but they are interesting and difficult to explain.

JFK

NO !!! The Aliens made me do it

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Actually they wanted to avoid all the camel shit, which was getting piled higher and higher, that's why the pyramids are so high

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These are the types of images I'm talking about. I'm not sure how people back in those times could have dreamed up such things. Of course anything is possible, but some of these are very unusual.

Nembrionic

I will repeat myself because apparently you are too stupid to read. Even when it's written in big letters:

Nembrionic

And yes, I am aware that existance is written wrong ;)

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Bring it on! But please wear your leather pants my mustachio friend.

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There is a very good reason why this would be so, but it hasn't yet been mentioned in this thread

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meh fuck this thread, the retard level is out of control

porno jew

nothing you could say could blow my mind idiot.

wehateporn

For sure, if people could have it all explained to them, including their own purpose, why they are really here. I've only ever seen it mentioned a couple of times during my entire time on the Internet, there are very few people who are aware of the big picture.

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