Just because there is a large possibility of life being out there doesn't mean they are capable of flying here and harassing us. Its much more likely that the life out there is bacteria or something as advanced as a jellyfish.

Aliens work in mysterious ways :1orglaugh

Flying jellyfish?

Actually if there is life out there it's most likely waaaaay more advanced. We are a young planet compared to a good part of the universe.
Just imagine a civilization a million years older than us. Or a billion years!

How is that obvious? Enlighten me. Educate me.

Don't post no frekking Google-comment, weird-ass youtube videos with Twilight music etc etc.

TEACH ME.

Noone knows > Choose craziest possible explanation making the most far out assumptions.

I love how you avoid answering my question, as you people alway do.

I have seen the pyramids etc. Why the hell would I think we couldn't do that ourselves?
You still haven't given me an answer to it.

Here's the thing: you can't grasp the fact that people made those things with A LOT of people and labor. So you assume it's something else. That assumption itself is false, regardless of if you are right or not.


Nobody claims there isn't alien life. I certainly don't. But I guess your tunnel vision is preventing you from reading properly.


-edit- you sneaky bastard, you edited your post about alien life.

You went 180. Oh, very credible lol

You can certainly say that again.

this paragraph is dizzying.. read it to yourself, you will see why...


Nobody said anything about humans running this planet. Nobody runs this planet, it just is. We just happen to live on it. What is this 'elite' nonsense about? Who are these people you are talking about? Don't even try to tell me it is the government, because they are people too, so that logic is broken.

By partying?

Faith is faith. His worldview is shaped by a different faith and different beliefs than yours. You're no likely to make him see the world in a different way through simple discussion on a porn forum anymore than he's going to convince you that 2+2=5.

The greatest fallacy of these discussions is the insistence of each that logic and facts play a major role, when in fact they don't. You can't disprove a negative and that simple truth is the foundation of the discussion.

It would be totally ignorant not to think we "could" be the result of an alien race.

You had a funny way if putting it.

But...for the sake of the argument: "amazing technology" is relative.
During the stone age, making an axe out of flint was "amazing technology"

So, using a copper saw+sand to cut granite blocks was probably "amazing technology" back in those days.

Structures that used leverage were probably "amazing technology" back then.

See what I'm getting at?

Why the hell are there people saying we don't know how the built the pyramids? Why? We do know how they built them!
Why just ignore that and come up with crazy stories about aliens?
I just don't get this kind of stupidity.

please obama refund the pubic school system so the next generation isn't educated by youtube videos and the history channel. please?

Because it gives them purpose in life.

Occam's razor

Hang on...while I agree with you...

saying something is very improbable, doesn't make it impossible.

I never said that?
*everything* is possible. But why come up with crazy theories while we already know how something happened.

Anything and everything "could" be the result of magical unicorns descending from the Heavens and making it so.

See how that works?

You just negated your own arguments.

Oh... wait. You're part of the "elite"?

All those aerial shots are interesting. No telling what they were up to. You could say they were building a runway in case their "god" ever did appear, or they were trying to welcome their god. But on the other hand, how could they possibly know of aircraft or that one may need a runway? Such primitive people would not know such a thing.

Curious things for sure.

He is always an attention pathetic whore. Probably still trying to get his brain around why programs want to manually approve affiliates.

Odd little artifacts. For all the things that can be explained, you have little items like this that don't make any sense.

Religion is bullshit. But if aliens did come to earth (who knows), it is possible all religion is based on their visit. And while it may be bullshit in terms of how it is meant to control people, maybe a long time ago the basics of it were not bullshit. No way to tell.

What should they have left behind, cola cans?

Possible runways, aircraft artifacts, drawings... perhaps those are the traces and we just choose to ignore them.

Take Jesus for example and lets pretend he is real and everything said about him is the truth. Suppose he does come back like they say he will. Imagine he shows up in New York or California and starts telling people he is the son of God, walking around wearing lord knows what. People would not believe him no matter what. They would probably arrest him after he failed to produce an ID of any kind and he would be locked away. Yea, but he's Jesus you say, he wouldn't allow that to happen. Keep in mind, Jesus allowed himself to be crucified so sitting in a jail cell would be nothing for the guy. And then what if he really did convince people he was really Jesus, performing miracles and all of that. Do you know how fast the US Government ( or any government) would seize him? NO WAY would they allow him to see the light of day. It would disrupt the entire world. Proof of his existence would never, ever be allowed.

The same sort of information would apply to aliens. It would shatter all belief in religion and those who are in control would lose all control. God Inc would cease to exist. That information, assuming it exists, would never, ever, see the light of day. Unless they came down and everyone could see them with their own eyes, we'll never know about them.

OMG of course WE build the pyramids. Humans can do anything, when determined. USA could land on the moon I think like 9 years after JFK set that goal. With good leaders we can do amazing stuff. It sucks there is so few of such leaders, I wish we had now leaders who could inspire people and who would set better goal than 2% economic growth, that is the real crisis.
There is no doubt that civilizations in past also sometimes had great leaders and therefore they were able to create amazing things. Evidence of alien visits is more in texts, not so much in buildings. Yes they can amaze us and some of those blocks of stone (those used in pyramids are quite small compared to the biggest ones) we do not know how could have been moved, but is just no evidence. Great wall of China is by far more great building than pyramids and no one says aliens built it.
For me evidence are those stories in texts about flying machines old more than thousand year, that is I think much harder to explain. Some say aliens are the craziest idea, well I think opposite, it is the most simple one, only you just have to accept that there are other civilization like we are out there. There is no reason not to be. It is not so long we in Europe had no idea that whole other continents with their own civilizations exists and I think it is pretty much the same case now, except now there is not ocean between us, but space.

Since you can't prove either statement to be either true or false, you're talking about personal faith, not science or fact.

:2 cents:

Again, you dodge the simple fact that you cannot prove the unicorns and aliens exist or not. You are talking about your own personal faith in the matter and not provable fact.

I suspect you know this being that you continually deflect the discussion to broader conspiracies while unilaterally and unconvincingly, proclaiming yourself to be correct.

I am not the one making absurd claim after absurd claim and proclaiming them to be fact in the absence of incontrovertible proof.

You are.

Seems however, that you're a bit closer to admitting how ignorant and insane you sound.

What is not about faith? Its 2012 and in the most advanced countries on this planet there are people who does not "believe" in evolution... Those people are far more crazy than those who believe aliens visited and exactly the same crazy as those who thinks that aliens altered our DNA :)

If we are to take those sightings as the truth, and they may or may not be, but lets say they are, then that is exactly what I'm talking about. Such information MUST be regarded as rumors, hoaxes, and stories from crazy people. The real truth, assuming there is one, will never be told.

so, all this time while I thought I was making decisions, and going down my own path, choosing who I would like to listen to and who I will ignore, I was actually just doing what the queen was telling me to do?

:1orglaugh

Isn't there some stats about the pyramids somewhere that says they needed to be placing a block in place every 4 minutes night and day never ending for 20 years straight?


I found that sort of precision impressive

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution, but to be fair, everyone used to believe the world was flat. Evolution is only a theory. The "missing link" has still not be found. Maybe it never will be. So to not believe it is understandable.

However, to not believe in evolution because you believe a magical man in the sky created everything, gave us a book to live by, looks after us, and judges us when we die, is ridiculous.

But really, who knows? Wouldn't it be something if we find out in 200 years that evolution isn't the reason, and it's something that today we have not even thought of yet? That's how shit works.

Not saying it is, but what if that is true?

The illusion of choice is all you would ever need. Living within the confines created for you to make you believe you have a choice, isn't really a choice.

George Carlin has a funny skit where at the end he says the only real choice we have is "paper or plastic."

Slave labor is a hellova work force.

when level of education do you have? seriously?

Pyramids are massive, I could believe a stat like that, We are all pretty lazy compared to people that didn't have technology to help them. but if you watched the video at the start of the thread with 1 old dude lifting and standing a 21,000 lb stone by himself with wood and sand, it's pretty easy to believe that 5,000 slaves could move and place 1 every 4 minutes, in teams of 14 salves, or workers, that's 357 teams, each placing a stone a day.

the first think a person did when they came into power back then was order the construction of their final resting place, so that it would be ready when they died.

True, Jack knows the truth.

http://static.thepioneerwoman.com/en...8/thetruth.jpg

incorrect, we are all capable of individual thought. We may have to stand on the shoulders of giants to do so but the thoughts are still our own.

The government or 'elite' that you speak of have nothing to do with invention, they are almost always created by regular people, just like the rest of us. That being said, the control you are speaking of is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.

If you regard control as leaders taxing us on these ideas and innovations than most of us would agree with you, but you are reaching when you take it any farther than that.

what's that have to do with it, 5,000 slaves can also shovel a lot of dirt, you build a level, then you raise the land around it, you build another level, then raise the land around it, repeat a couple hundred times, then you laugh at the guys who have to drag away all the sand they used to raise the land. Shoveling sand isn't that hard, and building a ramp out of sand that is several hundred feet, or even several thousand feet long so that it is a very slight grade, isn't that much work for a few thousand people. A bunch of dudes with logs can pound the air out of sand mixed with a bit of water and hay and make a road as hard as concrete.

there was a post a few pages ago stating that the most boring answer is usually the correct one, or something to that effect. Ancient building techniques we pretty boring as well, they just don't make sense to us because they were harder than calling for a crane. or buying a diamond tipped chop saw.