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Paul Markham - There is nothing wrong with the tube model.
If you want a discussion let's make it easy.
First Point There is nothing wrong with the tube model of getting tons of traffic to get a few paysite joins, upsell cams or other things and selling ad spots to bring in cash. Your turn.
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"No rebuttal, must mean I'm right."
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I agree, nothing wrong with giving away content for free to generate a lot of traffic
Tube traffic generates 1,000s of joins to paysites (not cam and dating) daily. |
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The tube model itself is OK. It's giving away 1000s and 1000s of free full length pirated videos that was the stupid move. Though, for the biggest tube owners who were able to pull it off, it was not stupid to them, even if their acts were illegal. |
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 Turning 1,000s of site members into 1,000s of traffic to sell to cam and dating sites. Well that's not right, unless the cams and dating contribute to the content costs. Turning 1-100 to 1-1,000 is bad. Turning 1-100 into 1-4,000 is terrible. |
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Here https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18682688&postcount=42
I copied the ratios of all the posters ratios prior to that post. It was this. 223719 uniques 3 sales. 1-74,573 One in seventy four thousand five hundred and seventy three people interested in looking at free porn bought a membership. Now Pimproll are concentrating on selling traffic. St23 can you tell me what's good about that? If some people want to accept this is the best they can do today, then fine. I just aimed higher all my life. Which is why I'm off to watch TV while you try to get millions to sell to a few. |
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Can you tell us the real figures please. Warchild said he was converting 1-500, but refused to tell us how many surfers it took. Yes free tubes will get loads more traffic, traffic that would be worth more, traffic that if it was worth much you would be buying content to put up Tube sites. How much content do you and other Tube sites buy to sell your ads. Or do you and the advertisers feed off free content? |
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instead of 20 small stores selling a few different items at a time walmart made one big store that sold everything in one place. Far more traffic ended up in far more sales overall.
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So without a Tube site owners giving us honest ratios we're all guessing at the ratios and earnings.
Yes not all traffic is equal. Even in the days of only offline porn people would wander in to have a look around. People would take mags off a top shelf to browse, that's why lots of people put them in plastic wrappers. Someone posted that his friend had a Newsstand and 100 people would look at a magazine before 1 would buy. Well that was BS and common sense tells you, I don't need to say why. Still no one ever expects to sell 1-1. And the more people you have looking the more you sell to. However there is a limit to it. When you have 20 million a day on one Porn Tube and do the numbers, you realise that if 1-100 of those people were spending 10% the online porn business would be worth much more than it is today. 200,000 x $3 = $600,000 Turn Over a day x 1 year = $219,000,000 a year off one Tube site. If that were the case, content would be a lot more than it is today. Porn Tube sites would be buying exclusive content. Sadly in the real world we all know ST23 sells clicked traffic around $3 a 1,000. And if 1-19 are clicking. 20,000,000 = 1,052,631 clickers = $3,156 in revenue for 20,000,000 people interested in porn. With a million surfers on a site that's $157.80 a day. If my calculations are wrong, please put them right. If you dispute my figures, ask PR why they do so badly with their Tube site. |
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gotta love gfy though.
pre tubes: "tubes are evil they gonna destroy the biz, they just steal videos from my site and give em away. there will be no more signups!" post tubes: "tubes a legit way to make money. i actually now upload my videos to tubes to save the tube owners time of stealing them! yes i make deals with tube owners, hey i own tubes now!" lol
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[QUOTE=Paul Markham;18725241]Here https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18682688&postcount=42
I copied the ratios of all the posters ratios prior to that post. It was this. 223719 uniques 3 sales. 1-74,573 UHM, these rations seem bizarre to me. either i am missing something, or it's tough to make it so bad even if you try. in my experience we can make 1:150 with the best tube/content combination (in some cases actually better). when we screw up, it does not get worse than 1:400 with tube traffic.
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Clicks to the site 1-150 is good, maybe you need to show PR how to do it because they couldn't convert very well from their join page. Roald reported this. Join page 238-Sales 0 0-238 isn't good or is it? If you're getting 1-20 to click on a link, then the ratios are 1-3,000 to 1-8,000. you see the point is, except to those who want to ignore it, these are people interested in porn surfing porn sites and if only 5% are able to buy. Then that's fine. If of the 95% left some are people who can't even be bothered today to go look at at a tour and prefer to stick to consuming free porn. Then it's not a good picture. |
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Here is the question, and I think this is the crux of it: Is the "new reality" of 1:3000 - 6000 a shelf or a point on a declining line? If it is a new stable place, then everyone will adapt to that. If the ratios continue to decline drastically, then we are teaching new users never to pay and the 1:3000 is old guys who will be gone from the consumer population soon. Watching the success you had, you probably can answer that. Are signups declining for equal effort, or have they reached a stable low point? |
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according to paul's logic there is no difference between a direct mail postal ad and a tv ad.
arguing with him is pointless. it's not even entertaining call him a stupid old man any more, blah. |
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This isn't to you, but to many others. Please no more bullshit about online porn being bigger than offline porn. No more clowns comparing the turn over of Wicked, Private or any other producer with the turn over of online retail companies. Compare porn shops with these programs. And please before you reply to this last statement go do some research first. |
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It's also fine if you're selling traffic and don't have to buy the content the surfers came to see. I'm understanding why so many oppose SOPA or any law to shut down piracy. This type of law will greatly reduce the amount of sites with nothing but a forum linking to the big file locking joints, it will hit the little guys earning a living from uploading to these guys, cut off the head and the body dies. Which isn't good if what's paying for the forum is the ads being sold off it. Target the MU's filesonic's, etc and the effect is enormous. Every time you knock one out another will take their place. But advertisers, affiliates, traffic guys will lose money. Get a law that make the supporters liable, then you cut the head off many in one swoop. Piracy will still exist, what it won't be is an industry that feeds off others to the level it does today. |
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Many, many factors contribute to a "conversion ratio" so saying 1:100 vs. 1:5000 is really a stupid, pointless waste of time.
What's the tour like? What's the content like? What landing page does the surfer from the tube hit? How many OTHER (better?) sites has this visitor just visited? How long does a surfer stay ON your site? Does it have video previews? If so, how long? How many "call to action" buttons are there on the tour? What colors are people using for their tours? What time of day/week/year did the visitor visit? Oh help me Jebus, on and on it goes. So to REALLY "discuss" conversion ratios then we must be discussing A-B (or "split) testing. In other words: Take the same exact tour. Send 1000 tube visitors to Tour A. Send 1000 "other" visitors (SEO, blogs, FHGs, etc) to Tour B. Which makes more sales? But really, why discuss the intricacies of online marketing here? I really gotta start learning my lesson....:D
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I hate to say, but I agree that tubes are killing the business, that and torrents, which is why I make 90% of my money with micro niche blogging. But I do have a tube for traffic to keep up with competition and it took no time at all to set up..
 But the surfers trolling for full length free videos all night aren't going to be buyers anyways..
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1,000,000 converting at 1-3,000 = 333 sales a day @ $10 a sale it's $3,330 a day income. If it were that easy 1,000s would be doing it and no one would be moaning. The problem is the more who try the harder ti is too maintain the original 1,000,000 @ 1-3,000 as the only tool you have is to add more content. Then there's the problem Misterpeabody addresses. Do the people slinging mud at the wall have a clue about how to get all that right. Or will they go broke relying on stats to find the winning solution. Kinda like relying on stats to come up with the winning lottery number. Extreme example, still fits. Are those throwing out free content to get the stats without knowing what really works, destroying a once vibrant business? Would ST23 be so happy if he were selling porn paysite membership joins or only traffic to sites selling to porn paysite membership sites? Can the people who run the sites afford to create a great tour, content, landing page, better site, etc. That will make the surfer turn into a member? Where is Stocktrader23 hiding? And finally, what's on the TV tonight because that's where I'm headed. |
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who cares if your promo video gets a billion people to watch your promo vid, it's their bandwidth. just as long as people go to your tour and join page it's all good.
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does everyone who watches a pepsi commercial run out to the store immediately and buy one you idiot?
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Also, saying that conversion ratios are much worse than they used to be is mostly because there are tons of more affiliates these days to compete with, lots more website out there because of lower hosting costs/freehosts/easier to make now, faster internet connections, better longer videos for people to get off to, people got wise to file sharing, oversaturation of porn on the internet makes paying for porn seem pointless, etc..
I'm curious how the big paysites are doing in terms of conversion ratios since there aren't thousands of affiliates bringing in different numbers.. I wish I was in this business in the 90s, but I was still a kid.. 
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Trust us, we ALL understand what you're saying, every time you say it, whether it makes any sense or not. But you can't understand a damn thing anyone tries to explain to you or maybe you just refuse to. You sure seem to find the most basic shit interesting though. PR_Glen (after you compared theatre sales and porn sales lmfao): that's a completely different product. People don't go to the theatre to alleviate sexual impulses, not compared to what we are selling, so comparing the two is nonsense. Paul Markham reply: Interesting post. So what are you selling here. Traffic or a 30 day paysite join? Interesting post? No, it's not interesting, it's common fucking sense. But the extent of your ability to understand things is beginning to show. You thought it was interesting because it was such a basic point even you could understand it. And you just disagree with anything else more confusing. Then you follow it up with an equally retarded question that ANYONE could answer. |
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He didn't respond with a single point at a time so once again no progress was made in the evolution of Paul.
On that note, did he stop trolling around all the other threads last night or was he pulling a double? 
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keep him busy in this thread thanks.
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What is wrong with the pirate tube model is that times are changing in favor of pay sites. ACTA/SOPA/PIPA whatever will soon be passed in one form or another. "Safe haven" means nothing if they block your payment processor or traffic to the USA and Euro. It's a dying business model. It's like investing in VHS video tapes.
The time of quality pirate tubes will soon be over. Too much waves are coming and the pirate boat is taking in water already. It will be to easy to take them out. Why invest money, as an affiliate or even as an owner, in a failing model when you can invest in quality content? |
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