Spineless EU bitches sign ACTA - GoFuckYourself.com

Antonio · 01-31-2012, 12:03 AM

after zero public discussions and negotiations done in secret..... yeah, prohibition law circa 2012 - it is so going to work

Socks · 01-31-2012, 12:39 AM

Hrm? Acta has been approved?

k0nr4d · 01-31-2012, 12:39 AM

It's starting to look like due to public pressure poland may back out

Captain Kawaii · 01-31-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

It's starting to look like due to public pressure poland may back out

LOL, Along with Cyprus?

lucas131 · 01-31-2012, 01:00 AM

it was part of law about vegetables here ... and we had to know the information from japanese ministry website, not from our government. that means just one thing, fucking mafia!

Paul Markham · 01-31-2012, 01:11 AM

What is ACTA about?

Paul&John · 01-31-2012, 01:16 AM

the full text: http://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/acta/Fi...rification.pdf
22 from 27 member states have signed it, the rest will later (for some it needs to be ratified by the local parliament)
but still it needs to be ratified at the EU parliament also (later this year).. so there is still hope.. a small one lol

DWB · 01-31-2012, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John

the full text: http://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/acta/Fi...rification.pdf
22 from 27 member states have signed it, the rest will later (for some it needs to be ratified by the local parliament)
but still it needs to be ratified at the EU parliament also (later this year).. so there is still hope.. a small one lol

I get a kick how every law that is trying to curb piracy is turned into a Trojan horse, an attempt to take away freedom, censorship, a master plan to control us, no more free speech, disguised as something else, stripping us of our basic rights, world police, it will cause hunger, it's the end of the world. Never seen so much fear mongering in my entire life.

How about they just want to stop piracy and they need some laws with teeth to do it?

Current laws are WAY more dangerous than anything passed that may put an end to you getting free movies and videos online. But no one is blacking sites out over those, making cool After Effects videos about them, having Facebook protests and so on. But take away their free shit... oh my God... it will be the end of the world!!!!!

DamianJ · 01-31-2012, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I get a kick how every law that is trying to curb piracy is turned into a Trojan horse, an attempt to take away freedom, censorship, a master plan to control us, no more free speech, disguised as something else, stripping us of our basic rights, world police, it will cause hunger, it's the end of the world. Never seen so much fear mongering in my entire life.

How about they just want to stop piracy and they need some laws with teeth to do it?

Current laws are WAY more dangerous than anything passed that may put an end to you getting free movies and videos online. But no one is blacking sites out over those, making cool After Effects videos about them, having Facebook protests and so on. But take away their free shit... oh my God... it will be the end of the world!!!!!

I don't think that is the case. If someone came up with a workable way of doing it. But they don't.

In this case, the ISPs are being forced to do deep packet inspection of ALL internet traffic. And you will get your internet connection cut off on the ALLEGATION you have committed a crime. Now, aside from the basic privacy that removes, who is going to pay for the ISPs to do all this extra work? What happens when the logs get leaked? What if you have a customer that is an MP that loves shitting fetish porn? Think he would take the risk of being a customer of your site? Then you have the fact that the 3 strikes rule has been proven to be totally ineffective in the countries that have tried it.

It's a shit law that is totally unworkable and takes away basic human rights.

That's why people are annoyed, hun, not because of piracy. Because of privacy.

I bet you Paul and Robbie will love it though. Pornographers in favour of government censorship. Fucking funny.

just a punk · 01-31-2012, 03:25 AM

Yep, ACTA is must worse than SOPA or PIPA. I even believe the the second two were used as a red herring while ACTA was secretly discussed and signed.

Cool that Russia didn't sign it. At least yet...

http://rt.com/news/acta-poland-internet-government-745/
http://rt.com/news/acta-poland-prose...unication-809/

Also good to see that Polish people are protesting. Looks like the EU is not as spineless as the USA...

Paul Markham · 01-31-2012, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I get a kick how every law that is trying to curb piracy is turned into a Trojan horse, an attempt to take away freedom, censorship, a master plan to control us, no more free speech, disguised as something else, stripping us of our basic rights, world police, it will cause hunger, it's the end of the world. Never seen so much fear mongering in my entire life.

How about they just want to stop piracy and they need some laws with teeth to do it?

Current laws are WAY more dangerous than anything passed that may put an end to you getting free movies and videos online. But no one is blacking sites out over those, making cool After Effects videos about them, having Facebook protests and so on. But take away their free shit... oh my God... it will be the end of the world!!!!!

Yes I stopped looking at the second one where it started to tell me, if you break the law. You've broken the law.

Fucking stupid morons scared they won't be able to share copyrighted material or patented material for free. That they might be caught.

lucas131 · 01-31-2012, 03:43 AM

anyone else moving to latin america?

Paul Markham · 01-31-2012, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

anyone else moving to latin america?

That would mean all those shouting it down, were actually scared of it and not just fear mongers.

The problem might be if a country doesn't sign up to it, does that country become the new haven for piracy?

Has China, Thailand, Philippines, India and various other countries who produce counterfeit goods signed up to it?

lucas131 · 01-31-2012, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

That would mean all those shouting it down, were actually scared of it and not just fear mongers.

The problem might be if a country doesn't sign up to it, does that country become the new haven for piracy?

Has China, Thailand, Philippines, India and various other countries who produce counterfeit goods signed up to it?

excuse me paul, but i will not show my personal work and private informations to some asshole who have nothing to do with it. i will not give passwords to my notebooks on the airport, and i am travelling a bit, it will happen now or soon, so fuck this privacy fucking system!

12clicks · 01-31-2012, 04:56 AM

I love watching thieves try to take the moral high ground.

lucas131 · 01-31-2012, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I love watching thieves try to take the moral high ground.

are you some fucking cop or just dumb as fuck?

DamianJ · 01-31-2012, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I love watching thieves try to take the moral high ground.

I love watching people that think laws will stop piracy and get them more sales, ignore privacy, ignore demonstrable evidence 3 strikes doesn't work, and think that deep packet inspection and government censorship is a good idea for the porn industry.

Really, it's so fucking funny.

Captain Kawaii · 01-31-2012, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

excuse me paul, but i will not show my personal work and private informations to some asshole who have nothing to do with it. i will not give passwords to my notebooks on the airport, and i am travelling a bit, it will happen now or soon, so fuck this privacy fucking system!

If you travel through US you have no privacy. Many Americans are still duped into thinking they have privacy...its loooooooooooooooooooooong gone.

They are considering unmanned drones over LA and I see cop cars around town with 6-8-10 antennas...Even cops laugh about privacy. Its history, man. Patriot Act saw to that.
As for the 'internets'...privacy? Yeah, tell me another one.

pornguy · 01-31-2012, 05:56 AM

I was reading yesterday that basically Acta will make the EU enforce the laws that the US already has in place. Or is it more than that. Trying to sneak in some shady shit???

Paul Markham · 01-31-2012, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I love watching people that think laws will stop piracy and get them more sales, ignore privacy, ignore demonstrable evidence 3 strikes doesn't work, and think that deep packet inspection and government censorship is a good idea for the porn industry.

Really, it's so fucking funny.

Laws have never stopped crime. Only those trying to grasp straws are using it as an excuse. Prisons confirm this.

Privacy, that's an interesting concept. Privacy in your own home? Yes. Privacy when flying from an airport, given up years ago. In fact before planes and airports. Lucas is an idiot if he thinks he can refuse to give a customs official access to search his personal belongings, including what he has on his laptop when asked or told to reveal everything. Well he can, and spend time in prison or get turned back. Been law for as long as I've known and long before the Internet and laptops.

Who said this was about censoring the porn industry? Which for your information is something else that has been happening since I can remember. Was censored in 1966 Porn Stories for more information.

Seriously you would think reading what some write we live in some Utopia where the Government doesn't have the right to peer into your lives if they wish to or that you can publish anything you like and no one will say anything.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. The puzzle is why?

DamianJ · 01-31-2012, 06:48 AM

There's no puzzle, Paul. 3 strikes doesn't work. It *increases* piracy.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...43228488.shtml

And that is only one of the many and varied reasons ACTA is ridiculous.

HTH.

nico-t · 01-31-2012, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

after zero public discussions and negotiations done in secret..... yeah, prohibition law circa 2012 - it is so going to work

jesus christ. This is exactly how everything is pushed through all the time. Democracy is a fucking myth. They do it time and time again, it makes me sick.

HighlyIntoxicated · 01-31-2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

That would mean all those shouting it down, were actually scared of it and not just fear mongers.

The problem might be if a country doesn't sign up to it, does that country become the new haven for piracy?

Has China, Thailand, Philippines, India and various other countries who produce counterfeit goods signed up to it?

Most countries aren't given the option as to whether they want to implement the new piracy laws. If they don't follow the US, then they are hit by trade sanctions until they summit to the pressure.

DarkJedi · 01-31-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

What happens when the logs get leaked?

1. sue the ISP for millions
2. ???
3. profit

besides, what are you afraid of unless you got something to hide?

Barry-xlovecam · 01-31-2012, 08:06 AM

Doesn't seem that unreasonable .. But you would have to read the international treaty something few of you will do ..

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ARTICLE 2: NATURE AND SCOPE OF OBLIGATIONS
1.
Each Party shall give effect to the provisions of this Agreement. A Party may
implement in its law more extensive enforcement of intellectual property rights than is
required by this Agreement, provided that such enforcement does not contravene the
provisions of this Agreement. Each Party shall be free to determine the appropriate
method of implementing the provisions of this Agreement within its own legal system
and practice.

ARTICLE 33: INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION
1.
Each Party recognizes that international cooperation is vital to realizing effective
protection of intellectual property rights and that it should be encouraged regardless of
the origin of the goods infringing intellectual property rights, or the location or
nationality of the right holder.
2.
In order to combat intellectual property rights infringement, in particular
trademark counterfeiting and copyright or related rights piracy, the Parties shall promote
cooperation, where appropriate, among their competent authorities responsible for the
enforcement of intellectual property rights. Such cooperation may include law
enforcement cooperation with respect to criminal enforcement and border measures
covered by this Agreement.
3.
Cooperation under this Chapter shall be conducted consistent with relevant
international agreements, and subject to the laws, policies, resource allocation, and law enforcement priorities of each Party.

This is the international treaty that you said would never happen Paul it's negotiations opened in 2006 -- there are 31 countries that are signatories ... I posted a link to the actual document last week ... https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18711733&postcount=4

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ACTA is a proposed plurilateral agreement for the purpose of establishing international standards on intellectual property rights enforcement.[1] It would establish an international legal framework for countries to join voluntarily,[5] and would create a governing body outside international institutions such as the World Trade Organization (WTO), the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) or the United Nations.[1][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Co...rade_Agreement

This is already happening ...

The point is is that if Idontgiveafuckistan is not a signer, the pirates will just move there

topnotch, standup guy · 01-31-2012, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The point is is that if Idontgiveafuckistan is not a signer, the pirates will just move there

And once the pirates are all concentrated in a handful of locations...

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vdbucks · 01-31-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I get a kick how every law that is trying to curb piracy is turned into a Trojan horse, an attempt to take away freedom, censorship, a master plan to control us, no more free speech, disguised as something else, stripping us of our basic rights, world police, it will cause hunger, it's the end of the world. Never seen so much fear mongering in my entire life.

How about they just want to stop piracy and they need some laws with teeth to do it?

Current laws are WAY more dangerous than anything passed that may put an end to you getting free movies and videos online. But no one is blacking sites out over those, making cool After Effects videos about them, having Facebook protests and so on. But take away their free shit... oh my God... it will be the end of the world!!!!!

If the laws were specifically designed to fight piracy then I'd be all for them, but they're not and that's why there is a problem.

topnotch, standup guy · 01-31-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

It's starting to look like due to public pressure poland may back out

(Insert Polish joke here)

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DamianJ · 01-31-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

what are you afraid of unless you got something to hide?

1) Losing freedom and privacy.
2) ISPs being forced to increase prices to pay for all the low level packet analyse and storage
3) People having their internet connections removed because of mere *allegations*

So do you think all the organisations against ACTA have something to hide? Or, alternatively, do you think they think that privacy is quite a basic thing to have?

Your point is beyond banal.

So, back to the good one. Three strikes has been proven to increase piracy, so why are you in favour of it? Are you profiting from piracy and want to see more of it? Can't think of another reason, can you?

pimpmaster9000 · 01-31-2012, 09:47 AM

The golden days of "file sharing" are numbered....tick tick tick can you hear time running out?

Pirates can move, adapt, complain, whatever but fact is: The golden days are over

The money will start drying up QUICK, the big "file sharing" places will get shut down. Reorganizing will cost lots of $$ that pirates won't have. Most people will be too lazy to risk joining the new phishing/hacker "file sharing" sites that will pop up.

12clicks · 01-31-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

are you some fucking cop or just dumb as fuck?

here's a clue son, stop pretending to be in my industry and don't steal.
life will get easier for you.

12clicks · 01-31-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I love watching people that think laws will stop piracy and get them more sales, ignore privacy, ignore demonstrable evidence 3 strikes doesn't work, and think that deep packet inspection and government censorship is a good idea for the porn industry.

Really, it's so fucking funny.

what do you even do in this biz, kid? it can't be much with intelligence like this.
here is what acta is:
The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a plurilateral agreement for the purpose of establishing international standards for intellectual property rights enforcement. The agreement aims to establish an international legal framework for targeting counterfeit goods, generic medicines and copyright infringement on the Internet, and would create a new governing body outside existing forums, such as the World Trade Organization, the World Intellectual Property Organization, or the United Nations.

anything else is just conjecture and the smoke and mirrors thieves hide behind.

12clicks · 01-31-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The point is is that if Idontgiveafuckistan is not a signer, the pirates will just move there [/INDENT]

yup, go live in a third world shit hole and be the only guy with money.
see how that works out for you.

Nautilus · 01-31-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

And once the pirates are all concentrated in a handful of locations...

.

Exactly

And also...

adendreams · 01-31-2012, 12:04 PM

You guys that think privacy, fairness, and free speech advocates are all pirates are off your rockers.

Nautilus · 01-31-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

You guys that think privacy, fairness, and free speech advocates are all pirates are off your rockers.

I think piracy is one of the reasons we're going to loose most of the above. When the likes of the pirates bay advocate for the "free speech", in their own very specific sense of course... You know you're going to loose sooner or later.

12clicks · 01-31-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

You guys that think privacy, fairness, and free speech advocates are all pirates are off your rockers.

Free speech advocates aren't worth the money they're paid.

Don't steal and you won't have to worry about your privacy or your free speech.
Stealing someone else's property in the name of free speech is stealing, not self expression.

borked · 01-31-2012, 12:32 PM

While ACTA/SOPA/PIPA and all future flavours are clearly targeted at piracy, they are also targeted at sites like Wikileaks...

12clicks · 01-31-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

While ACTA/SOPA/PIPA and all future flavours are clearly targeted at piracy, they are also targeted at sites like Wikileaks...

good..........

Sid70 · 01-31-2012, 12:52 PM

I dunno... sounds fucking bad. Time to move to Latin America really.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-31-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

I think piracy is one of the reasons we're going to loose most of the above. When the likes of the pirates bay advocate for the "free speech", in their own very specific sense of course... You know you're going to loose sooner or later.

Exactly...

DamianJ · 01-31-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

what do you even do in this biz, kid? it can't be much with intelligence like this.
here is what acta is:
The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a plurilateral agreement for the purpose of establishing international standards for intellectual property rights enforcement. The agreement aims to establish an international legal framework for targeting counterfeit goods, generic medicines and copyright infringement on the Internet, and would create a new governing body outside existing forums, such as the World Trade Organization, the World Intellectual Property Organization, or the United Nations.

anything else is just conjecture and the smoke and mirrors thieves hide behind.

You can cut and paste well, kid

So, three strike has been proven to increase piracy, so why do you think that's a good plan?

black1000 · 02-01-2012, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

after zero public discussions and negotiations done in secret..... yeah, prohibition law circa 2012 - it is so going to work

As a matter of fact ACTA was also signed by equally spineless USA, Canada, Mexico, Australia and New Zealand. However those who end up with the hand in the shitter will be definitely EU countries while USA will make the most of it. It will hit and depress countries like Poland even more. I still strongly hope Poland will back out

nico-t · 02-01-2012, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

good..........

are you trolling? Must be. Nobody can be THIS stupid.

lucas131 · 02-01-2012, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

here's a clue son, stop pretending to be in my industry and don't steal.
life will get easier for you.

who are you talking to you broke asshole loser? and what are you talking about you motherfucker? go release more non exclusive sites that looks like it is 2000, idiot

Slappin Fish · 02-01-2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

who are you talking to you broke asshole loser? and what are you talking about you motherfucker? go release more non exclusive sites that looks like it is 2000, idiot

...never seen Teencat so angry.

lucas131 · 02-01-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

...never seen Teencat so angry.

you know i am a nice girl, i wish everyone the best, but sometime i really need to lift off, and sometimes there are good reasons

01-31-2012, 12:03 AM	#1
Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	Spineless EU bitches sign ACTA after zero public discussions and negotiations done in secret..... yeah, prohibition law circa 2012 - it is so going to work

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Paul&John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: YUROP Posts: 8,609	the full text: http://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/acta/Fi...rification.pdf 22 from 27 member states have signed it, the rest will later (for some it needs to be ratified by the local parliament) but still it needs to be ratified at the EU parliament also (later this year).. so there is still hope.. a small one lol __________________ Use coupon 'pauljohn' for a $1 discount at already super cheap NameSilo! Anal Webcams \| Kinky Trans Cams Live \| Hotwife XXX Tube \| Get your Proxies here Last edited by Paul&John; 01-31-2012 at 01:17 AM..

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,384	Yep, ACTA is must worse than SOPA or PIPA. I even believe the the second two were used as a red herring while ACTA was secretly discussed and signed. Cool that Russia didn't sign it. At least yet... http://rt.com/news/acta-poland-internet-government-745/ http://rt.com/news/acta-poland-prose...unication-809/ Also good to see that Polish people are protesting. Looks like the EU is not as spineless as the USA... __________________ Obey the Cowgod Last edited by just a punk; 01-31-2012 at 03:26 AM..

01-31-2012, 12:39 AM	#2
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	Hrm? Acta has been approved?

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lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	it was part of law about vegetables here ... and we had to know the information from japanese ministry website, not from our government. that means just one thing, fucking mafia!

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lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	anyone else moving to latin america?

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DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	There's no puzzle, Paul. 3 strikes doesn't work. It increases piracy. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...43228488.shtml And that is only one of the many and varied reasons ACTA is ridiculous. HTH.

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pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	The golden days of "file sharing" are numbered....tick tick tick can you hear time running out? Pirates can move, adapt, complain, whatever but fact is: The golden days are over The money will start drying up QUICK, the big "file sharing" places will get shut down. Reorganizing will cost lots of $$ that pirates won't have. Most people will be too lazy to risk joining the new phishing/hacker "file sharing" sites that will pop up.

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