GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum (https://gfy.com/index.php)
-   Fucking Around & Business Discussion (https://gfy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
-   -   Spineless EU bitches sign ACTA (https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1055581)

Antonio 01-31-2012 12:03 AM

Spineless EU bitches sign ACTA
 
after zero public discussions and negotiations done in secret..... yeah, prohibition law circa 2012 - it is so going to work

Socks 01-31-2012 12:39 AM

Hrm? Acta has been approved?

k0nr4d 01-31-2012 12:39 AM

It's starting to look like due to public pressure poland may back out

Captain Kawaii 01-31-2012 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 18722458)
It's starting to look like due to public pressure poland may back out

LOL, Along with Cyprus?

lucas131 01-31-2012 01:00 AM

it was part of law about vegetables here ... and we had to know the information from japanese ministry website, not from our government. that means just one thing, fucking mafia!

Paul Markham 01-31-2012 01:11 AM

What is ACTA about?

Paul&John 01-31-2012 01:16 AM

the full text: http://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/acta/Fi...rification.pdf
22 from 27 member states have signed it, the rest will later (for some it needs to be ratified by the local parliament)
but still it needs to be ratified at the EU parliament also (later this year).. so there is still hope.. a small one lol



DWB 01-31-2012 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul&John (Post 18722505)
the full text: http://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/acta/Fi...rification.pdf
22 from 27 member states have signed it, the rest will later (for some it needs to be ratified by the local parliament)
but still it needs to be ratified at the EU parliament also (later this year).. so there is still hope.. a small one lol



I get a kick how every law that is trying to curb piracy is turned into a Trojan horse, an attempt to take away freedom, censorship, a master plan to control us, no more free speech, disguised as something else, stripping us of our basic rights, world police, it will cause hunger, it's the end of the world. Never seen so much fear mongering in my entire life.

How about they just want to stop piracy and they need some laws with teeth to do it?

Current laws are WAY more dangerous than anything passed that may put an end to you getting free movies and videos online. But no one is blacking sites out over those, making cool After Effects videos about them, having Facebook protests and so on. But take away their free shit... oh my God... it will be the end of the world!!!!!

DamianJ 01-31-2012 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18722622)
I get a kick how every law that is trying to curb piracy is turned into a Trojan horse, an attempt to take away freedom, censorship, a master plan to control us, no more free speech, disguised as something else, stripping us of our basic rights, world police, it will cause hunger, it's the end of the world. Never seen so much fear mongering in my entire life.

How about they just want to stop piracy and they need some laws with teeth to do it?

Current laws are WAY more dangerous than anything passed that may put an end to you getting free movies and videos online. But no one is blacking sites out over those, making cool After Effects videos about them, having Facebook protests and so on. But take away their free shit... oh my God... it will be the end of the world!!!!!

I don't think that is the case. If someone came up with a workable way of doing it. But they don't.

In this case, the ISPs are being forced to do deep packet inspection of ALL internet traffic. And you will get your internet connection cut off on the ALLEGATION you have committed a crime. Now, aside from the basic privacy that removes, who is going to pay for the ISPs to do all this extra work? What happens when the logs get leaked? What if you have a customer that is an MP that loves shitting fetish porn? Think he would take the risk of being a customer of your site? Then you have the fact that the 3 strikes rule has been proven to be totally ineffective in the countries that have tried it.

It's a shit law that is totally unworkable and takes away basic human rights.

That's why people are annoyed, hun, not because of piracy. Because of privacy.

I bet you Paul and Robbie will love it though. Pornographers in favour of government censorship. Fucking funny.

just a punk 01-31-2012 03:25 AM

Yep, ACTA is must worse than SOPA or PIPA. I even believe the the second two were used as a red herring while ACTA was secretly discussed and signed.

Cool that Russia didn't sign it. At least yet...

http://rt.com/news/acta-poland-internet-government-745/
http://rt.com/news/acta-poland-prose...unication-809/

Also good to see that Polish people are protesting. Looks like the EU is not as spineless as the USA...

Paul Markham 01-31-2012 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18722622)
I get a kick how every law that is trying to curb piracy is turned into a Trojan horse, an attempt to take away freedom, censorship, a master plan to control us, no more free speech, disguised as something else, stripping us of our basic rights, world police, it will cause hunger, it's the end of the world. Never seen so much fear mongering in my entire life.

How about they just want to stop piracy and they need some laws with teeth to do it?

Current laws are WAY more dangerous than anything passed that may put an end to you getting free movies and videos online. But no one is blacking sites out over those, making cool After Effects videos about them, having Facebook protests and so on. But take away their free shit... oh my God... it will be the end of the world!!!!!

Yes I stopped looking at the second one where it started to tell me, if you break the law. You've broken the law.

Fucking stupid morons scared they won't be able to share copyrighted material or patented material for free. That they might be caught. :1orglaugh

lucas131 01-31-2012 03:43 AM

anyone else moving to latin america?

Paul Markham 01-31-2012 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 18722655)
anyone else moving to latin america?

That would mean all those shouting it down, were actually scared of it and not just fear mongers.

The problem might be if a country doesn't sign up to it, does that country become the new haven for piracy?

Has China, Thailand, Philippines, India and various other countries who produce counterfeit goods signed up to it?

lucas131 01-31-2012 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18722662)
That would mean all those shouting it down, were actually scared of it and not just fear mongers.

The problem might be if a country doesn't sign up to it, does that country become the new haven for piracy?

Has China, Thailand, Philippines, India and various other countries who produce counterfeit goods signed up to it?

excuse me paul, but i will not show my personal work and private informations to some asshole who have nothing to do with it. i will not give passwords to my notebooks on the airport, and i am travelling a bit, it will happen now or soon, so fuck this privacy fucking system!

12clicks 01-31-2012 04:56 AM

I love watching thieves try to take the moral high ground.:1orglaugh

lucas131 01-31-2012 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18722737)
I love watching thieves try to take the moral high ground.:1orglaugh

are you some fucking cop or just dumb as fuck?

DamianJ 01-31-2012 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18722737)
I love watching thieves try to take the moral high ground.:1orglaugh

I love watching people that think laws will stop piracy and get them more sales, ignore privacy, ignore demonstrable evidence 3 strikes doesn't work, and think that deep packet inspection and government censorship is a good idea for the porn industry.

Really, it's so fucking funny.

Captain Kawaii 01-31-2012 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 18722687)
excuse me paul, but i will not show my personal work and private informations to some asshole who have nothing to do with it. i will not give passwords to my notebooks on the airport, and i am travelling a bit, it will happen now or soon, so fuck this privacy fucking system!


If you travel through US you have no privacy. Many Americans are still duped into thinking they have privacy...its loooooooooooooooooooooong gone.

They are considering unmanned drones over LA and I see cop cars around town with 6-8-10 antennas...Even cops laugh about privacy. Its history, man. Patriot Act saw to that.
As for the 'internets'...privacy? Yeah, tell me another one.

pornguy 01-31-2012 05:56 AM

I was reading yesterday that basically Acta will make the EU enforce the laws that the US already has in place. Or is it more than that. Trying to sneak in some shady shit???

Paul Markham 01-31-2012 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18722760)
I love watching people that think laws will stop piracy and get them more sales, ignore privacy, ignore demonstrable evidence 3 strikes doesn't work, and think that deep packet inspection and government censorship is a good idea for the porn industry.

Really, it's so fucking funny.

Laws have never stopped crime. Only those trying to grasp straws are using it as an excuse. Prisons confirm this.

Privacy, that's an interesting concept. Privacy in your own home? Yes. Privacy when flying from an airport, given up years ago. In fact before planes and airports. Lucas is an idiot if he thinks he can refuse to give a customs official access to search his personal belongings, including what he has on his laptop when asked or told to reveal everything. Well he can, and spend time in prison or get turned back. Been law for as long as I've known and long before the Internet and laptops.

Who said this was about censoring the porn industry? Which for your information is something else that has been happening since I can remember. Was censored in 1966 Porn Stories for more information.

Seriously you would think reading what some write we live in some Utopia where the Government doesn't have the right to peer into your lives if they wish to or that you can publish anything you like and no one will say anything. :1orglaugh

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. The puzzle is why?

DamianJ 01-31-2012 06:48 AM

There's no puzzle, Paul. 3 strikes doesn't work. It *increases* piracy.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...43228488.shtml

And that is only one of the many and varied reasons ACTA is ridiculous.

HTH.

nico-t 01-31-2012 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 18722423)
after zero public discussions and negotiations done in secret..... yeah, prohibition law circa 2012 - it is so going to work

jesus christ. This is exactly how everything is pushed through all the time. Democracy is a fucking myth. They do it time and time again, it makes me sick.

HighlyIntoxicated 01-31-2012 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18722662)
That would mean all those shouting it down, were actually scared of it and not just fear mongers.

The problem might be if a country doesn't sign up to it, does that country become the new haven for piracy?

Has China, Thailand, Philippines, India and various other countries who produce counterfeit goods signed up to it?

Most countries aren't given the option as to whether they want to implement the new piracy laws. If they don't follow the US, then they are hit by trade sanctions until they summit to the pressure.

DarkJedi 01-31-2012 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18722627)
What happens when the logs get leaked?

1. sue the ISP for millions
2. ???
3. profit


besides, what are you afraid of unless you got something to hide?

Barry-xlovecam 01-31-2012 08:06 AM

Doesn't seem that unreasonable .. But you would have to read the international treaty something few of you will do ..

Quote:

ARTICLE 2: NATURE AND SCOPE OF OBLIGATIONS
1.
Each Party shall give effect to the provisions of this Agreement. A Party may
implement in its law more extensive enforcement of intellectual property rights than is
required by this Agreement, provided that such enforcement does not contravene the
provisions of this Agreement. Each Party shall be free to determine the appropriate
method of implementing the provisions of this Agreement within its own legal system
and practice.


ARTICLE 33: INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION
1.
Each Party recognizes that international cooperation is vital to realizing effective
protection of intellectual property rights and that it should be encouraged regardless of
the origin of the goods infringing intellectual property rights, or the location or
nationality of the right holder.
2.
In order to combat intellectual property rights infringement, in particular
trademark counterfeiting and copyright or related rights piracy, the Parties shall promote
cooperation, where appropriate, among their competent authorities responsible for the
enforcement of intellectual property rights. Such cooperation may include law
enforcement cooperation with respect to criminal enforcement and border measures
covered by this Agreement.
3.
Cooperation under this Chapter shall be conducted consistent with relevant
international agreements, and subject to the laws, policies, resource allocation, and law enforcement priorities of each Party.
This is the international treaty that you said would never happen Paul it's negotiations opened in 2006 -- there are 31 countries that are signatories ... I posted a link to the actual document last week ... https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18711733&postcount=4

Quote:

ACTA is a proposed plurilateral agreement for the purpose of establishing international standards on intellectual property rights enforcement.[1] It would establish an international legal framework for countries to join voluntarily,[5] and would create a governing body outside international institutions such as the World Trade Organization (WTO), the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) or the United Nations.[1][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Co...rade_Agreement
This is already happening ...

The point is is that if Idontgiveafuckistan is not a signer, the pirates will just move there

topnotch, standup guy 01-31-2012 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18723062)
The point is is that if Idontgiveafuckistan is not a signer, the pirates will just move there

And once the pirates are all concentrated in a handful of locations...

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/201...5160436047.jpg

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh
.

vdbucks 01-31-2012 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18722622)
I get a kick how every law that is trying to curb piracy is turned into a Trojan horse, an attempt to take away freedom, censorship, a master plan to control us, no more free speech, disguised as something else, stripping us of our basic rights, world police, it will cause hunger, it's the end of the world. Never seen so much fear mongering in my entire life.

How about they just want to stop piracy and they need some laws with teeth to do it?

Current laws are WAY more dangerous than anything passed that may put an end to you getting free movies and videos online. But no one is blacking sites out over those, making cool After Effects videos about them, having Facebook protests and so on. But take away their free shit... oh my God... it will be the end of the world!!!!!

If the laws were specifically designed to fight piracy then I'd be all for them, but they're not and that's why there is a problem.

topnotch, standup guy 01-31-2012 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 18722458)
It's starting to look like due to public pressure poland may back out

(Insert Polish joke here)

.

DamianJ 01-31-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 18723055)
what are you afraid of unless you got something to hide?

1) Losing freedom and privacy.
2) ISPs being forced to increase prices to pay for all the low level packet analyse and storage
3) People having their internet connections removed because of mere *allegations*

So do you think all the organisations against ACTA have something to hide? Or, alternatively, do you think they think that privacy is quite a basic thing to have?

Your point is beyond banal.

So, back to the good one. Three strikes has been proven to increase piracy, so why are you in favour of it? Are you profiting from piracy and want to see more of it? Can't think of another reason, can you?

pimpmaster9000 01-31-2012 09:47 AM

The golden days of "file sharing" are numbered....tick tick tick can you hear time running out? :thumbsup

Pirates can move, adapt, complain, whatever but fact is: The golden days are over

The money will start drying up QUICK, the big "file sharing" places will get shut down. Reorganizing will cost lots of $$ that pirates won't have. Most people will be too lazy to risk joining the new phishing/hacker "file sharing" sites that will pop up.

12clicks 01-31-2012 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 18722746)
are you some fucking cop or just dumb as fuck?

here's a clue son, stop pretending to be in my industry and don't steal.
life will get easier for you.

12clicks 01-31-2012 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18722760)
I love watching people that think laws will stop piracy and get them more sales, ignore privacy, ignore demonstrable evidence 3 strikes doesn't work, and think that deep packet inspection and government censorship is a good idea for the porn industry.

Really, it's so fucking funny.

what do you even do in this biz, kid? it can't be much with intelligence like this.
here is what acta is:
The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a plurilateral agreement for the purpose of establishing international standards for intellectual property rights enforcement. The agreement aims to establish an international legal framework for targeting counterfeit goods, generic medicines and copyright infringement on the Internet, and would create a new governing body outside existing forums, such as the World Trade Organization, the World Intellectual Property Organization, or the United Nations.


anything else is just conjecture and the smoke and mirrors thieves hide behind.

12clicks 01-31-2012 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18723062)

The point is is that if Idontgiveafuckistan is not a signer, the pirates will just move there [/INDENT]

yup, go live in a third world shit hole and be the only guy with money.
see how that works out for you.:thumbsup

Nautilus 01-31-2012 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 18723225)
And once the pirates are all concentrated in a handful of locations...

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/201...5160436047.jpg

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh
.

Exactly :thumbsup And also...

http://i.imgur.com/NndxB.jpg

adendreams 01-31-2012 12:04 PM

You guys that think privacy, fairness, and free speech advocates are all pirates are off your rockers.

Nautilus 01-31-2012 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adendreams (Post 18723681)
You guys that think privacy, fairness, and free speech advocates are all pirates are off your rockers.

I think piracy is one of the reasons we're going to loose most of the above. When the likes of the pirates bay advocate for the "free speech", in their own very specific sense of course... You know you're going to loose sooner or later.

12clicks 01-31-2012 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adendreams (Post 18723681)
You guys that think privacy, fairness, and free speech advocates are all pirates are off your rockers.

Free speech advocates aren't worth the money they're paid.

Don't steal and you won't have to worry about your privacy or your free speech.
Stealing someone else's property in the name of free speech is stealing, not self expression.

borked 01-31-2012 12:32 PM

While ACTA/SOPA/PIPA and all future flavours are clearly targeted at piracy, they are also targeted at sites like Wikileaks...

12clicks 01-31-2012 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borked (Post 18723744)
While ACTA/SOPA/PIPA and all future flavours are clearly targeted at piracy, they are also targeted at sites like Wikileaks...

good..........

Sid70 01-31-2012 12:52 PM

I dunno... sounds fucking bad. Time to move to Latin America really.

pimpmaster9000 01-31-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 18723696)
I think piracy is one of the reasons we're going to loose most of the above. When the likes of the pirates bay advocate for the "free speech", in their own very specific sense of course... You know you're going to loose sooner or later.

Exactly...

DamianJ 01-31-2012 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18723612)
what do you even do in this biz, kid? it can't be much with intelligence like this.
here is what acta is:
The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a plurilateral agreement for the purpose of establishing international standards for intellectual property rights enforcement. The agreement aims to establish an international legal framework for targeting counterfeit goods, generic medicines and copyright infringement on the Internet, and would create a new governing body outside existing forums, such as the World Trade Organization, the World Intellectual Property Organization, or the United Nations.


anything else is just conjecture and the smoke and mirrors thieves hide behind.

You can cut and paste well, kid

So, three strike has been proven to increase piracy, so why do you think that's a good plan?

black1000 02-01-2012 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 18722423)
after zero public discussions and negotiations done in secret..... yeah, prohibition law circa 2012 - it is so going to work


As a matter of fact ACTA was also signed by equally spineless USA, Canada, Mexico, Australia and New Zealand. However those who end up with the hand in the shitter will be definitely EU countries while USA will make the most of it. It will hit and depress countries like Poland even more. I still strongly hope Poland will back out

nico-t 02-01-2012 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18723755)
good..........

are you trolling? Must be. Nobody can be THIS stupid.

lucas131 02-01-2012 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18723597)
here's a clue son, stop pretending to be in my industry and don't steal.
life will get easier for you.

who are you talking to you broke asshole loser? and what are you talking about you motherfucker? go release more non exclusive sites that looks like it is 2000, idiot

Slappin Fish 02-01-2012 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 18725049)
who are you talking to you broke asshole loser? and what are you talking about you motherfucker? go release more non exclusive sites that looks like it is 2000, idiot

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh...never seen Teencat so angry.

lucas131 02-01-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 18725431)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh...never seen Teencat so angry.

you know i am a nice girl, i wish everyone the best, but sometime i really need to lift off, and sometimes there are good reasons :)


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:32 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©2000-, AI Media Network Inc123