TheMob

I've seen some custom content providers selling EXCLUSIVE custom pics for a buck a piece.. Seriously, how much are you guys paying the girls? Somehow that's just awful..

LiveDose

Shit we're supposed to pay them? You mean money?

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AOLGuy

I thought these "nasty teen sluts" did it for free... the love of the game, no?

AOLGuy

Seriously... $150 a session is average and I will try to get 4-8 photo sets from that... sometimes I pay more, sometimes less.

This is for solo nudes, but some girls have made it clear they would do oral or even sex at that rate. Crazy, eh?

Mutt

where are you getting these girls in California for $150 a 'session'?

is that your site latenightgirl.com?

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stocktrader23

I agree.

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TheMob

God, how desperate does the model have to be? Don't you feel a bit guilty, afterall you're making 50x that off of her?

AOLGuy

As I often say if a girl counters by saying that $150 is low, "trust me, it's worth the $50-$75 pay cut to work with someone significantly cooler than most photographers in this business. Will they feed you vegan cookies and have Tab to drink? I don't think so..."

I find I can get girls to work with me for that price because I am relaxed, mellow, and patient.

I also pitch sessions over hourly fees since there is no need to rush if it is not on the clock. I try to wrap within 3 hours, going at a leisurely pace.

I am in no rush... back when I started out I grossly overpaid, but built a quick rep as someone who was cool to work with and was not trying to get on anyone. I think I also get good word of mouth amongst models because I make them laugh and really try to carry a conversation on during... no awkward silence or weirdness.

Since week two in the biz, I have had a steady stream of girls coming to me who want to be in this business or work with me. However, I am not interested in shooting girls who make the rounds--it does me no good.

I meet some new girls online, meet some through friends, and occasionally will click with a girl looking to enter the modelling field.

I put in time on the phone with them, I hold their hand, and yes, I even keep my nice demeanor when they flake or re-schedule.

Yep - latenightgirl.com is my site.

Honestly, I cannot complain... it is doing better than I thought it ever would.

Right now, I am seeking out a handful of new girls to shoot. I know what my expected return is, so I am actually going to be raising my rates when I find the exact right girls.

I will most likely be aiming to do 5-6 hour shoots for $300-$400... figure with the right girl who isn't doing anything elsewhere, I can get all the content I need in one sitting and ride it out for a few months....

I myself am shocked how many girls will do a shoot for $150 or in some cases, no set fee (it depends on how much we get). I think it is far better to hold out for the girls who are in this to try it than those who want to make a quick buck.

Joe Sixpack

That's the American Way, bitch!

Mutt

ok i just took a look at your site, half of those girls are 'regulars', two of them we shot recently.



how did u hire Fiona?

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As for guilt--7 girls have earned me the majority of the money I have made... and yes, it has been at a huge profit over what I spent on the content.

Part of this is contrasted against the girls I shot who did not make me money, or that I should have not shot in the first place but couldn't bail once I met them in person and saw the horror...

Of those 7, 2 girls were nightmares who can burn in hell. I am glad I got something out of it for going out of my way for both and to have to put up with their crap (they were rare exceptions to most I have shot)...

1 of the girls I shot 3 times, and actually offered her a percentage instead of a flat fee--she declined and made $500 total off 3 shoots... I am going to shoot her again soon if I can not look at her and feel bad that her % would have been a few times that.

1 is a great friend who I go out of my way to do nice things for, and help her with her endeavors including website programming... yet she makes bank from her gigs, and insists on paying me if she feels that our time is not a fair trade (I haven't paid her since our first shoot together).... needless to say, she is getting an excellent birthday gift from me this year.

The other 3 were cool girls who agreed to the fee and had a great time. 1 has asked me to help her with a site, which I gladly agreed to. 1 asked me to do some trade shoots with her for content, and the other I haven't heard from in a bit...

Now I have 54 or so other shoots that I haven't used yet... or they didn't get the reaction I wanted...

Also factor in the thousands of hours I've put into this... plus the flakes and other crap in dealing with models where shoots didn't work out.

And in many ways, no, I do not feel guilty. The point of business is profit, right?

I mean, if you work 40 hours a week for a boss at a set mimimum wage and the company makes millions off the workers' combined efforts--well, that is how our capitalistic system works...

But any girl who has worked with me will recall that I always prefer percentages over flat fees for the exact reason of cutting people in -- but no one ever takes them... in all honesty, I stand to make far more if they do not, but still toss the offer out there.

stocktrader23

How the fuck would you know, Aussie bitch!

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AOLGuy

Fiona's husband contacted me... cool guy, we have a mutual love of Superman and video games.

They had a hole in their schedule, I filled it... booked them for $150 but gave them an extra $50 since their trip out here at the time went to shit and they were a bit desperate for work.

Still haven't used the content much--Fiona is on a bunch of sites right now and I am not going to push her while she is prominent elsewhere.

There are some regulars amongst my site, but of the core 7... well, only 2 are on any high profile websites. I feel confident in the mix I have and signups are consistent.

However, all of that content was taken last fall... I am taking my time in shooting new stuff to see that I can get 90% exclusives or low profile girls.

TheMob

AKFK, these girls make less spreading their legs than they would flipping burgers.. The girls are taken advantage of.. and that's just plain sad. I think it's great of you to give them more than $150/session - which seems to be about average.. But how much do you make out of that session? $30 000?

Porn is an awful, rude, disgusting business.. it has always been that way and it will never change.. It works.

Joe Sixpack

I've been to your country, whore!

We know that money means more to you fuckers than anything else!

Mutt

too bad. she could have made $1,000 for a day shooting for Wanton cuz she does hardcore boy/girl. Stupid agency. I had two clients for her plus i could have found another easy.

so she went to work for you for $150. The girl is from England, how did her husband know to contact you?

why are you with ProAdult? You have your own content why not hook up with CCBill or Epoch and get 100% of the money instead of half.

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By the way, maybe I am poisoning the well, but I tell all girls that there is no money in modelling...

Ultimately, someone else gets rich off of it the second you sign the release form.

It would be wiser to do their own sites, but most lack the drive or know-how... and are rightfully weary of partnerships....

A smart girl, however, would do her own site, use a unique name, and have her own content with affliate links to every sponsorship program for sites she is on...

She could then at least earn $ for each signup she sent to the sites he posed for and make a % off the backend (in a roundabout way).

Granted, I don't see it happening--most models I know are broke and need the $150 (if they are in it for the money in the firstplace)... and I know a lot of girls running their own sites who just aren't doing well at all, and I give them advice but they don't get it.

Lately, I am enjoying taking my time and working with girls who are primarily in this because they want to be doing it to live out a fantasy... it is far less deperessing.

I am working on sites with two girls right now where I fronted no money whatsoever and am just hanging out with them and compiling pics... ultimately, we will split whatever money comes in.

stocktrader23

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You have a great attitude towards the business. It's nice to see people that don't treat their models like shit and take advantage of them in every way. Offering your girls a percentage is definately a very fair offer and it's cool of you to do so. I've just seen a few people from time to time talking shit about their models and I am sure you have come across it yourself.

And yes Joe, taking advantage of people is the American way for most. However some of us still have decency and don't try to fuck people over to get what we want or need.

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AOLGuy

I wish I made $30k off a $150 investment.

Without divulging exact numbers, it is more around a 10-20x return total, using the 7 primary girls I have been for the past 2 months...

quiet

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TheMob

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stocktrader23

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Originally posted by AKFK You have a great attitude towards the business. It's nice to see people that don't treat their models like shit and take advantage of them in every way. Offering your girls a percentage is definately a very fair offer and it's cool of you to do so. I've just seen a few people from time to time talking shit about their models and I am sure you have come across it yourself. And yes Joe, taking advantage of people is the American way for most. However some of us still have decency and don't try to fuck people over to get what we want or need.

I agree 100% and if I was a model and I needed the money I'd call you up before anyone else..
It's like that in every business, but there's an underlying "moral" coldness in porn that's just not like any other business. Ripping off some company is not like ripping off a young, broke chick..

AOLGuy

Clark, her husband, found me on one of the adult model directory sites...

We spoke on the phone so much before the shoot, I was skeptical whether or not Fiona even existed... LOL.

I wish they had made more when they were here... from what I recall, they hit problems all over the place.

They are very cool people, and wish I was able to give them more work at the time...

I think it is great that you guys can pay so much to shoot models... If I were in a bigger league, I certainly would.

In fact, part of my pitch lately is that the stuff I shoot is not TGP'd or spammed--it is pretty low profile. A lot of girls looking to test the waters seem to appreciate that--especially if they need to make a quick buck and fear friends and family seeing them on the Hun, Sublime, etc.

I use ProAdult because they rock and I don't want to mess with my steady income... It is my foundation with which to fund any new operations or risks.

I will be doing new sites and using independent means of billing soon enough... I've got some solid ideas, and am currently allocating funds to shoot some specific content for a new site, deal with the admin stuff, and try something new...

In the meantime, I am maximizing what little I have learned thus far, trying to be cool to those i choose to work with, and use my strategies to aid others that I trust--mainly by helping some get into the biz behind the scenes. Both models with their own sites and friends I know who can produce true amateur content with appeal.

That is the great thing about this business--it is huge, and so many different levels and ends of the spectrum can co-exist.

I am sure a lot of girls who have shot with you would tell me to fuck off for the $ I offer, and I am positive that many who shot with me would look at your site and be overwhelmed, freak out, and not do it because it would rub them the wrong way...

Strangely, there are always a steady stream of girls getting into the biz to match the one of them leaving it...

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Joe Sixpack

You mean just like companies like McDonalds rip their employees off by paying them $6 an hour. After all, it takes more talent to flip burgers than to get naked for a photographer!

AOLGuy

In some ways, a 40 hour a week job that you hate is more demeaning and demoralizing than simply getting naked...

Though I dare most to come up with an occupation that is worse, more degrading, and for worse pay than say.... doing a scene with Max Hardcore?

That is what I do not quite get. Sites like that, or even Cum on Her Face or Her First Gangbang - what price is worth it?

By contrast, I feel like the stuff I produce is a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10....

I am not talking shit about either site, I just want to know the exact amount that is worth... I would also be curious the after effects and thoughts of the shoot... I don't think I've scarred anyone mentally...

I am not whipping my dick around (figuratively) to come off like some kind of mensch, but I recently way overspent on a friend and advanced her against future site profits to make it so she would not have to go shoot with a prominent affiliate-heavy site...

Nothing too crazy, but mentally the facial and sex would have been one of those compromising moments where she was crossing a line simply for money.

She didn't ask me for anything, rather she told me she was dreadfully considering it... once again, I play "Captain Save a Hoe," but I dig this girl and don't want to see her pretend to be okay with it all, nor would I want to see or promote the scene on that site... too much to handle, ya know?

I may never see the $ back, but in this case, I feel I did go an extra step to save someone from what I consider the worst aspect of this business---doing something PURELY for money, something you would not do otherwise and do not want to do.

The thought of someone I like and relate to on an intense personal level, well, it is heartbreaking...

Fuck, I need to rebuild my detachment... this biz has me back in therapy.. LOL.

stocktrader23

Well said.

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