If its not discussed in the bylaws of the relationship then YES its cheating!

Lying is a whole different thing! I dont put up with being lied to!
PERIOD

If you can't trust her...send her that way ------>

Just my:2 cents:

link? we're big on hard evidence around here.

its fuckign cheatrtgingggggggggggg

If you need to ask for a show of hands from a bunch of porn geeks you don't know, then I think you know where the relationship is headed... still.. sure it's cheating plain as fucking day, but everyone deserves a chance..

Yes..evidence, we need more evidence.

But seriously sounds too me Doofus that if all you care about is STDs and you are down with threesomes and the bi-stuff and you dig Zoe as you say you do from where I stand she owes you an apology and you guys can probably talk this out, maybe give it a shot?

I cant see this as cheating..
My girlfriend likes girls 2, and sometimes she do it alone with the girl, and some times I join. I think this is a great way to have some fun in a relationship!

Keep it up girl.. Your guy must be stupid!


Cheers
Hurricane

First I think the boyfriend should post these pictures he says he saw and let us be the judge

It may be cheating - it may also be that someone may be afraid she will leave him for a woman - sounds like you don't trust her

Two chicks getting it on is hot - I have done a 3 some with my lady and I am fine with it - I am not so self absorbed that I think she's going to leave me for a woman - We love each other and at the end of the day she goes home with me -

Asking a bunch of porn peddlers for advice, bad idea - In defence of the guy involved - my lady and I have rules - we agree to play only while the other is present -

Who cares if it's cheating - could be you need to decide if you love each other or not - much better question

:2 cents:

Heh, Im trying to find somebody who still has the REAL incriminating pix online.

Vid_Vicious had the hardcore pics online, but she made him take them down, because she was trying to hide them from me. She was just a little late though, because I'd already seen them.

I've given her a month, and we've had some good days, and bad days during that month.
I cant say she's done anything SUPREMELY awesome enough to change my mind.
She does do some great stuff for/to/with me though.

She is a tough girl to give up. But, this is a tough situation.

Everybody says:

If they lie to you, they will again.

If they cheat on you, and you take them back, they WILL cheat again.
And I believe this. I find it to be true, from my own experience, and common sense.

So, Im more or less just thinking that this is the BEGINNING of a trend with her. Even if its not, I just shouldnt put up with cheating, and lying ON PRINCIPLE. Any other dumb bitch woulda been tossed on her ear the moment I found out, but Zoe WAS special. I REALLY liked her.

I dont "need" a show of hands. Since she asked everybody to comment, I felt that it was only fair if I did the same. Perhaps, then she could see how many people agree with me, although it seems the majority of you here agree already.

As soon as I find those pics online, I'll link em.

Wow, dude, that's cool, at least if she doesn't abandon you.
Two chicks - this rocks.
Anyway it's better than if she cheats you with a guy. Isn't it?

Sounds like your the moron, because she lied, and hid it, and didnt ask/tell/invite.

Besides, its not like I havent had 2 chicks before myself, ok?
Im not "insecure about her leaving me for a girl" because she's not bi, or lesbian. She wouldnt date a girl. Unless of course, she lied about all that too....

Yep, cheatin'.... but what you gonna do... you like to fuck other people.... not much you can do about that.

well then doofus only one thing to do - shoot as much lesbian content as you can while you find a new chick -

Zoe - post a picture my fiance says she will do you if your hot!

the way I see it.. your not buried until your married

so until then everything goes.

D-man:

I dont shoot THAT kind of photos. At least, not yet. Anybody need a shooter in vegas to shoot content?

Also, I dig the two chicks thing. Its not my favorite, and it honestly gets kinda old fast, but its damn cool!

Dont get me wrong. Like I said, if she had asked me? or wanted a 3 way? I'd have been cool. Its the lying and hiding, etc that bugs me.


Vivaldi:

"Wow, dude, that's cool, at least if she doesn't abandon you. "
She, abandon me? HA! if anything its the other way around pal...


http://www.paysitehosting.com/two/pages/2vegas72.html

http://www.paysitehosting.com/two/pages/2vegas68.html

http://www.paysitehosting.com/two/pages/2vegas65.html

http://www.paysitehosting.com/two/pages/2vegas79.html

She had the hardcore pics removed. But does this look like it "happened so fast"? If it happend "so fast" how the fuck did she have time to POSE FOR 2 fucking pictures?

Its just one big gray area if she didn't think he would get upset she would have told him.
but I think its worse when you hear something from an outsider

Are you Zoe's guy?

Yes. Read my posts please.

Cheating AND lying? Not a good basis for a future I'd say. Sorry to Zoe, but I have to say this also.... I get the feeling while reading through her posts here that she remains unconvinced that she did anything wrong. Her only remorse seems to be out of fear of losing her Dufus guy here. That to me sends up a huge red flag right there.... when your significant other can't even grasp the fact of why something she did is wrong.


Sort of reminds me of the girlfriend I had when I was 20. Almost married her too, but BOY could she lie, and try to cover up shit, man she was a terror. How old are you guys? (Dufus and Zoe)

The way I see it if she did something and didn't tell you and you found out from another source thats worse then the cheating itself.

but if you knew she liked girls when you guys were dating then, you should just have figured it would happen

edit

Damn girl this is why I luv yaaa.

Were still on for march right???

I finally read your post.

In all honesty If someone is going to lie to god all up and down they will lie again.

Zoe's sounds like a kewl chick but she doesn't sound like she's ready to really commit. she's young and likes the attention, its not bad its actually very normal.

But it's up to you if you can get over it and forgive her.
and if you do forgive her you can never throw it in her face again.

All I know is I don't forgive that easy and I never forget.

But I also know when your in love with someone you over look certain things.

Sometimes you can't follow your heart you need to think with your mind.

Still goes back to the fact that there are always at least 3 sides to every story.

Perhaps Zoe likes drama, and knew this would create some? Is she getting enough attention (from her perspective) at home?

And what's a non porn guy doing reading a porn peddler messageboard where he knows his girlfriend hangs out unless he's trying to find her up to something?

this is some good (As GFY turns)

almost as good as your's Kimmy KIM sounds like we both been there:winkwink: in some shape or form

dude this is fucking disgusting. whatever happened to straight sex??

i have a dick for a pussy, my girl has a pussy for my dick. what the FUCK is there talk about a dick and dick for? that just fucking makes me hurl.

I remember seeing the pics - the thread titles was something like "webmistress goes hardcore" or something like that.

Dufus, if you knew beforehand that she allegedly does all of this lying to other people such as Sykkboy and Cyberpunk, then why didn't that set off a red flag in your head? What makes you think that if she lies to them, she won't lie to you?

AND if you knew that she throws around the fake "bi" stuff for popularity's sake, why didn't you talk about this beforehand? Such as "hey hon what if you're at a party and someone calls you out on the bi stuff - what will you do?"

I'm not saying what she did was wrong or right - lying about it was of course wrong if she did that. But it's up to you two to determine what is "over the line" in your relationship and what you consider "wrong".
What I *am* saying is that you KNOW she is like this from the get-go; lying to other people and putting on a "bi" front she may have to back up one day which you wouldn't have been comfortable with... and you still stayed with her.
So you made your own bed, no use in getting pissed about it now. If you didn't take the time to talk about it beforehand and make it clear to her what *you* considered to be boundaries in the relationship, then there is NO use getting pissed when she crosses a boundary she didn't know was there.

Since getting into this biz and seeing what goes on at these parties, hubby and I have taken the time to talk about what is and isn't "okay" and where our boundaries are.
If you don't communicate, you've got no one to blame but YOURSELF.

He mentioned something about him having to do a photoshoot on the night of the party in question...... I took it to mean he IS a porn guy. Where did you read where he wasn't a porn guy?



(aren't all guys porn guys?) :glugglug

Ok...

This is a relationship. Relationships need to be honest if they are to be takes serious. The fact that this was hidden is pretty shitty. Also, how the hell could something as important as messing around with other girls not have been discussed? It seems like a bi-sexual girl would ask her boyfriend before things get too serious if he minds her going down on other chicks. My girlfriend knows that if she were ever interested in experimenting with another girl, she'd need to talk it over with me and we'd take it from there.

No offense Zoe, but that girl you went down on looks like a sewer rat. If I were your man, I'd be damn scared of contracting something that she may have passed on to you.

Now here's the question....What can a woman offer you that a man can't? Both have tongues, a man has something extra to stick in you pussy, and a man is biologically meant to pelase you better than a female. If there's something a girl knows how to do better, why not tell your man what you like, and how he can spice things up himself? That would solve the issue if you really wanted it solved...I think you may just like the attention that being bi brings you in large crowds of testostorone driven males!

Trust me she doesn't just act bi she is.

She said her past boyfriends didn't mind and here she is saying she would give up the pussy for you.

Sounds like you guys need to communicate more. or just have fun together.

Personally I don't trust women so I expect them all to cheat or lie
this way it doesn't hurt as much. Why do you think the divorce rate is so high.
and those are people who took vows not counting relationships

You don't lose your girl just your turn

:winkwink:

Yes Doofus, it's all your fault. When your girlfriend cheats on you and then lies about it, it's always the guy's fault no matter what. You should ask her for her forgiveness Doofus, learn from your mistakes you've made here, and never speak of this again.




Right. Good one Carrie. :thumbsup

LOL CDSmith - He considers it cheating, she doesn't.
They didn't talk about it beforehand so they didn't establish what "cheating" was/wasn't in each other's minds.

I'm not saying it's *all* his fault - but he's pointing fingers and such; he needs to take responsibility for his own part of it (not communicating up front before something happened).

It's all fucked up anyway. She claims to have been with girls beforehand, yet this was never brought up with him and discussed.
He claims that she's not bi and it's just a publicity stunt.
He claims she's a regular liar.
She brings it to the board rather than talking about it with him.

Either way, these two need to either talk it out now and get it settled, or make plans to hook up again in 5 years when they've matured a bit. ;)

Okay THAT much I'll agree on.


I can see where he'd be pissed though. Maybe SHE should have talked to HIM about her *preferences* before doing the public muff-dive, no? Just a thought.

Being lied to sucks no matter which way you cut it.

As for cheating... if one partner considers something cheating, then it's cheating. Period.
Again though, as you pointed out...no communication.

hahahah.. uhhhh, if I fuck my girlfriend up the ass before marriage, is that considered sex? Will God care?

The shit she lied about was to her family, about what she does for a job, and where she goes when she goes out (with me). She still lives at home, so cant reveal any of her life. Thats the only lies I knew about, and those are understandable. Now, I've found out about a bunch of other stuff, so its not like I knew beforehand.


We DID talk about it, she ISNT bi, and cheating IS cheating. So, your wrong on EVERY count. Get your facts straight.


Of course its wrong, NOT just the lying. Im sick of this flexible morality. blech

I shouldnt have to ask my girlfriend, "hey, since you've messed around with a few girls in your past, um, hey! what happens if your at a porn party, and somebody wants you to just go at it and dyke out with a pornstar. what happens?"
Because she and I HAD discussed it.

Zoe: "Can I see other people? I dont want you to see others... I dont want to but I wanna know what our relationship is"

Doofus:" No way, I wont do it, you wont do it. No guys, no girls"

Zoe:"OK, good, thats the way I want it too sweetie!"

She lied to all of you about that. We DID talk about it.

That is the stupiest fucking post on this thread so far.

You hit the nail on the head with that one.
She is a self described "Attention Whore"

Now she is one LITERALLY. Ha!

Dude, you clearly have made up your mind already. Only thing left to do is go through with it.

Your critical error here is you assume that we DIDNT talk about it. WE did.
She claims we did not, but thats a case of convenient memory lapse.

If she did lie to you, why do you need anyone's approval to dump her?

People who lie, of either sex, never change. They will lie about anything to anyone and they will never stop.