wonton

Whatddya have to say about this? Recognize any patterns? This is the same damn playbook in use today. From ABC News' own website:

Pentagon Terrorism


N E W Y O R K, May 1 ? In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."

Gunning for War

The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.

The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.

Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof ? that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."

The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere ? only 90 miles from U.S. shores.

The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not allowed to provide firepower.The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.

"The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro.

Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military ? not democratic ? control over the island nation after the invasion.

"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."

'Over the Edge'

The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military.

Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.

The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.

There were reports U.S. military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election.

And at least two popular books were published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger" in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee even called for an examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.

"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge."

Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963.

One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base ? an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.

"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.

After 40 Years

Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy.

As public interest in the assassination swelled after JFK's release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the assassination.

The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents.

Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained.

"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford

wonton

Just replace the name "Castro" with "Saddam" and you can see the same corrupt Pentagon plan being orchestrated today. The only thing is - the stakes for every day Americans is a lot higher this time.

Time to wake up!!

directfiesta

Wonton, nice... but you know they can't read....

FlyingIguana

notice they were rejected.

BigFish

When was this? Over 40 years ago. Did it happen? No. How come? Answer: United States of America has massive checks and balances, chain of command and more throughout their system. Does Saddam or Korea have checks and balances? I don't think so. One word to launch a nuke or war from either Dictator and it's set. Do both of those tyrants have a history of causing chaos? Yes, I think so.

End of discussion.

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directfiesta

Contra affair didn't happen either...lol

If you think so, it must then be true ( the new american way of proof...)

wonton

Did you read the article?! This plan went ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PRESIDENT. He was the ONLY PERSON WHO VETOED IT.

Then he got ASSASINATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So who do you think was left in charge of the show after Kennedy (and his brother) were killed? The same evil fuckers who tried to implement this plan. And I tell you, this plan has been implemented many times over...The first world trade center bombing, the USS Cole, the African Embassy bombings, 9/11...

Anytime the US empire is ready to move for the next geo-political conquest, an act of terrorism, right out of the Northwoods playbook, just happens to come along.

The American people have been duped by a super-sophisticated military-industrial complex! This is a fact.

Read and educated yourselves!!!

BigFish

>>The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

Robert McNamara was president? Cool, thanks for the history lesson.

woodman

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Wonton? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Saddam and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Sadamm's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand at post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

wonton

If you read the book you will see that McNamara signed off on the plan but Kennedy later rejected it.

wonton

YOU WANT THE TRUTH?!?

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kenny

I am glad the USA has a secert plan to take over the world

BigFish

Uh Huh, so you're telling me CBSnews wouldn't jump on the chance to mention that in their article?

wonton

I would be too, if it did not involve taking away our own freedoms.

Bush already stated that he wanted to set up a department to regulate and monitor the internet. This was just a few weeks ago and was discussed on this very board.

You just wait until this Iraq thing is over and they move into the next phase. We are talking a soviet style society. Think that all out facism could never happen here? That's what the Russians thought in 1918. That's what the Germans thought in 1933. That's what Americans think in 2003.

The government is our friend. The government will protect us. I don't mind giving up my freedoms to fight terrorists. I don't mind flushing the US Constitution and Bill of Rights down the toilet.

Viva Bush!!!

wonton

It's ABC News you retard. Not CBS. And yes, this would hardly be the first incident of sloppy journalism.

But now you are arguing over a moot point. Whether the plan got to McNamara (Powell's position today) or Kennedy, the fact is tht it got to the very top echelons of government. And if you actually read the article posted above, you will see the outlines of many incidents that HAVE occured within the last 40 years.

BigFish

What sets us apart from those Countries is that we have a choice to vote every 4 years to whom we want to lead our Country. So why don't you quit whining and go to the polls next year. Start a little campaign while you're at it. Sell your computer, make a website talking shit about Bush. It's all allowed here in the United States. Too bad your homeland IRAQ doesn't have that option. Wait a minute.. it does. Last election, Saddam got 100% of the votes.

kenny

They are going to put microchips in our brains at birth to monitor our thoughts and insure the secert plan is never revealed

BigFish

On one hand you refer to journalism to try to prove a point and on the other hand you call them sloppy. Are you that desperate?

woodman

Wonton, let me guess. You have a big picture of Art Bell on your wall?

FlyingIguana

i don't believe the states did carry out any of those so called plans. you're saying that the states hired people to fly those planes into the wtc? thats bs. they would have gone after iraq instead of afghanistan, saying it was a terrorist organization sponsored by saddaam.

i bet you think the moon landing was fake too?

wonton

If voting actually worked in the US, it would be illegal. Voting at the federal level is controlled by the Republican-Democrat duality much like credit card processing is controlled by Visa-Mastercard. They are two sides of the same coin and work for the same agenda. The right/left diochotomy is public theater. Behind the scenes politicians from both major parties collude to rape this country dry. It's Enron. It's MCI. It's Iran-Contra. It's all part of the same corrupt plan.

And my homeland is the good old US of A, not Iraq. Only difference between me and you is that I actually CARE about my homeland and see the great lie that is being perpetrated right before our eyes.

It's sad man, really sad.

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FlyingIguana

if wonton suddenly stops posting, we know bush had the cia take care of him. he's finding all of the great secrets the government is holding back from the public. in 50 years they'll be making movies about wonton.

wonton

I quote a major media outlet only because the majority of people who post here seem to consider the major media as the only source of "true" information. I am just asking people to put their money where their mouths are. If you believe in the mainstream media and think conspiracies are just "nuts", then what happens when your beloved mainstream media tells you the exact same things as the "nuts"? Are you now suddenly going to turn a blind eye to that? You can't have it both ways. That's called denial.

BigFish

Ok Mr. Conspiricy theorist. Enron and MCI lol, out of how many companies in the United States? THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS. And who owns those companies? American shareholders = American voters. So according to your theory, the American Government is in some big conspiracy to kill Americans and take over the world? For how long now? 40 years you say? America has the military capabilities to take over Mexico and Canada, are we just waiting or what's your theory on this? I mean, Mexico sure has a lot of beans that we can take over. How about South America, all that Coffee and Land.

BigFish

lol!! "Porn Webmaster single handedly dissects U.S. government and its plan for the last 50 years "

wonton

I am Wonton.

Fear me.

wonton

Here is some good reading while you are sitting on the can. It is by an economics professor at the Univeristy of Ottawa:


War and Globalisation


WAR AND GLOBALISATION

THE TRUTH BEHIND SEPTEMBER 11

by Michel Chossudovsky

In this timely study, Michel Chossudovsky blows away the smokescreen, put up by the mainstream media, that 9-11 was an "intelligence failure". Through meticulous research, the author uncovers a military-intelligence ploy behind the September 11 attacks, and the coverup and complicity of key members of the Bush Administration.

According to Chossudovsky, the so-called "war on terrorism" is a complete fabrication based on the illusion that one man, Osama bin Laden, outwitted the $30 billion-a-year American intelligence apparatus.

The "war on terrorism" is a war of conquest. Globalisation is the final march to the "New World Order", dominated by Wall Street and the U.S. military-industrial complex.

September 11, 2001 was the moment the Bush Administration had been waiting for, the so-called "useful crisis" which provided a pretext for waging a war without borders.

The hidden agenda consists in extending the frontiers of the American Empire right around the world to facilitate complete U.S. corporate control outside the U.S. and a police state on the inside.

Chossudovsky peels back the layers of rhetoric to reveal a huge hoax ? a complex web of deceit aimed at tricking the American people and the rest of the world into accepting a military solution which threatens the future of humanity.



Michel Chossudovsky is the author of the international best-seller "The Globalisation of Poverty" published in eleven languages. He is Professor of Economics at the University of Ottawa and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalisation which hosts the critically acclaimed website: www.globalresearch.ca .

Global Outlook(TM) and the Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), 2002, ISBN 0-9731109-0-2 2.

PornoBug

In Australia in the 1970's a bomb went off outside the Hilton Hotel in Sydney killing a garbageman and injuring people. This was during the Commonwealth Heads of Government Coonference. A man (Tim Anderson ?) was convicted over this and sent to jail.

In the 1990s this man was released after an appeal found that he did not plant the bomb. The bomb was actually planted by the NSW Police Special Branch in consultation with ASIO (our version of the CIA). Special Branch and ASIO were supposed to "find" the bomb before it went off to justify their existance at a time Government was questioning whether the intelligence units should be scaled back or disbanded.

In this case people were harmed for beauracratic expediency. Don't try to tell me that the US system is any less able to commit such abhorrant acts against its own people.

Watergate, Contra and other such proven conspiracies demonstrate that agencies can take part in illegal and immoral acts for percieved collective gain.

The question does beg though, what about the "Watergates" that nobody has found out about or uncovered ?

I dont think the CIA orchestrated Sep 11. I do believe however that some things that have happened around the world are just a little too convenient.

FlyingIguana

armed with his AOL account, there is nothing the government can hide from wonton

drew

Sad part is, wonton believes that, but he is MassiveCock anyway, look he started posting link to canadian websites (www.globalresearch.ca)

iroc409

"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.


i reiterate, this is from your article. if this news source is credible enough to be the truth as you say, then they also did not succeed and events did not transpire.

that's what the checks and balances are for.

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wonton

Hey Bigfish - you need to do more research. It is a myth that the "American shareholder" owns corporate america. There are 80,000 government corporations from water utilities to boards of education, to every local, state and federal entity imagineable. These government corporations OWN OVER 70% OF THE STOCKMARKET. It is the US government that is the major shareholder of the DOW, not the American people. The American people own less than 30% of the stock market and their share is shrinking fast.

The American government is not involved with some "big conspiracy to take over the world". A conspiracy implies secrecy. Their plans are in fact all out in the open and they are taking over the world according to the exact plans that they detail. They may lie about the reasons behind their plan but they do divuldge their plans.

Joe Sixpack

You're fighting a losing battle, man.

Americans are the most brainwashed people on the face of the planet. It starts with that retarded pledge of allegience they are forced to say in school and continues on into adulthood with the mainstream media and the government.

You could be telling them black is black and if CNN and the President told them it was white they'd disagree with you.

YOU CANNOT WIN!

iroc409

ok, i've posted this twice now in 2 threads, and you have blatantly ignored it.

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FlyingIguana

seems kind of high, even if you factor in pension funds for government employees.

iroc409

they own over 70% of the stock market but don't own the federal reserve

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wonton

Well said, Joe. If porn webmasters can't see what is happening then mainstream society will never see it either. It is indeed a losing battle.

I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said, "Those who give up freedom in exchange for security deserve neither".

If the people want total government-corporate control, they've got it!

When the whole shithouse comes tumbling down on your heads.. when the oil runs out.. when the dollar collapses like it did in Argentina and the banks close down and seize your money...when martial law is imposed....when the Department of Homeland Security comes knocking on your door for not towing the party line...

JUST REMEMBER THAT A WISE WEBMASTER NAMED WONTON TOLD YOU SO!!

FlyingIguana

if oil ever runs out there will be alternative sources of energy. prices will increase which leads to substitutes. oil depletion won't happen overnight.

you obviously don't know shit about the crisis in argentina...

theking

His comprehension level is limited by his IQ but I believe a course at his local community college could help be of some help with this problem.

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Rich

not during a war

theking

Yes during a war.

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Rich

You can't have an election during war time, Pathfinder weren't you a soldier or some shit?

theking

Fuck you for your Pathfinder remark. Yes I was a soldier for 12 years. Pathfinder was a soldier for over 30 years. And yes you can and do have an election during a war.

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BVF

Hey fuckwad, go to Google and do a search on the "Bay of Pigs". The failed attempted coup on Castro...

Where do these people come from? I'm not going to respond anymore to people who joined up in 2003....Sheesh

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Rich

Just give up the whole "pathfinder is dead" thing, nobody believes it. If you were actually doing it not as a joke you should have at least made up a lie that was believable, not the whole 'his computer was open to GFY so I thought I'd start posting here" bullshit. You're a sad, sad old man.

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chodadog

You have a serious lack of credibility.

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kevinl

Last week it was about oil and this week it is a government conspiracy. Being a brainwashed American I am so glad to come hear and get the "true facts".
I suppose next week it will be a plot hatched by Elvis and George Bush to promote their new hip-hop album.

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Joe Sixpack

Well then, make sure you let us all know when the world is about to run out of oil!

Thank you in advance.