NoCarrier

Yeah, New Coke was so successful.

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ONS

I used to love thumbzilla back in the day it was my number 1 bookmark.

Bobo

McDonald's is thinking of changing the taste of there burgers

But your point is taken and I do agree with you for the most part.

Bobo

Back in the day, yea....and now?

421Fill

They already stopped using real beef years ago, and they've sucked ever since.

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Bobo

JJJ's is an interesting site layout wise. But it's gone to shit too. There aren't any real links on the fucking page. They're all preferred submitters or blind link trades. My honest opinion.

Choker

When I first read this some time ago I thought it was amusing
http://screwthescrewers.com/

According to the Hun he won a lawsuit aginst a guy using his gallery links. This hardly means it is "illegal". Would another court reach the same decision on this matter if someone actually fought it? I doubt it very much. Courts vary so much in every country and the internet is all about the freedom to link to whatever you want to. Saying something is "illegal" because a civil court ruled in favor of the Hun is not true. Civil courts do not make laws.

If you want to link the Huns galleries, link them all you want. BUT the Hun has expressed that he does not want people doing this. So when he sources your server to ashes don't come crying here about it. Taking his galleries is disrepectfull and as far as he is concerned it is stealing from him. So why do it?

The Hun is probably the most respected TGP webmaster there is. TGP's that link his galleries I blacklist in all my programs. This is the same as TGP's that sign up for trades and have consoles when the rules clearly state no consoles. This is not illegal at all, but it breaks the rules. So forget the legal/illegal argument, just don't link his galleries. Show some respect to others.

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KRL

The links endpoints themselves individually are not copyright protected, however the compilation of a group is copyright protected. There is established case law on this.

The Hun's design is magnificent in its simplicity, however he has left a HUGE amount of money on the table over the years without a doubt, by not expanding his site outward.

As to all the posts about if its not broke don't fix it, I counter that
with if its not broke, don't fix it, but always test it.

If you tread water you go nowhere in business. You must always be testing new potential profit centers. This is the key to growth and expansion of revenues and profit. Not saying to change the core of a site, but rather test some new things here and there.

Tweaking is essential in any marketing endeavor, and the Net is clearly all about marketing.

Just saw the post about the Hun being the most respected webmaster. Well I'll tell you all flat out in the beginning he was probably one of the most disliked operators in the biz because he was linking into everyones sites and costing people extreme bandwidth bills when bandwidth was more expensive. He never got permission from anyone to do it. You could find anti Hun posts on every webmaster board. Its funny how things changed and now he is indeed highly respected.

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Bobo

Unless there is a lot of business Thehun does online or offline that nobody knows about, other than his TGP, I would agree with you.

If you're #1, best thing to do is expand your business. Who knows, maybe he runs hotels and casinos on the side.

Bobo

If not that, buy up your competition or funnel traffic into many other sites that you own. That's what Pierre of Worldsex does (he has an archive site, Absolute series, Zadina.com previously freetopsex, and even a rip off of Pinkword - http://www.linklist.com/). Mind you, all of his sites traffic eats cock.

But there are advertisers willing to pay for banner spots, so I suppose he's the winner in the end.

digifan

When I had to redo one of the biggest fetish tgps, these were the keywords.. Not only was it a time for a change, but about 1/3 less graphics are in the new design which should make the site load alot faster for those who are using dial-up services. This site uses a load of bandwidth, so it was also in the back of the editor's mind to make sure it exists many years down the road.

1) The pages on this site have to *fly*.... huge graphics are a complete *no-no*. You'll run off every visitor I have if they have to wait on ANYTHING so the new design was intended to give a fresh look, yet be less demanding on bandwidth.
The site needs to zoom even if it means taking away from my "creative efforts".

2) Simplicity....

3) Losing *all* of the text

4) Absolutely NO mouseovers that hide where a surfer is going to nor blind links.

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NastyJack

Coca-Cola has changed several times my friend.
Classic Coke - Cherry Coke and just lately they started with some sort of blue shit.

Just thought I would point that out.

Pepsi is much better anyway. Hehehe...

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Bobo

True, the biggest change in Coke came when cocain became illegal. It may not have changed the flavour but it did change it's effects. I thought everybody was told that story in school?

NastyJack

Lol... That is the most interesting thing I've heard about TheHun to date. Man I have to tell you that I find that funny as hell.

Choker was just telling us that TheHun had sued someone for taking his links or something like that and all the while TheHun use to do the same thing. hehehe.... Good one!!!

Guess he never heard of the old saying - "Those who live in glass houses.... Huh!

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NoCarrier

If you had taken the time to read my reply, you would've realized that I was being sarcastic with the fact that this guy wanted to use a professional paysite approach for a TGP.

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why?

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digifan

I did take the time to read it and I agree with you 100% on what you were posting.

applejacks

You are right.. You should be my advisor

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Rictor

I love the weekly Hun threads.

Gutterboy

I don't think TGP owners understand how destructive lots of blind link trades are to their base of bookmarkers. Back in my porn surfing days there was nothing that'd turn me off of a TGP faster than hitting a blind link.

Maybe its just me..

slapass

I don't spemd lots of time on the hun but he makes his money from gallery posts as far as I can tell. So a fast loading site cuts his bandwidth bill which must be huge and keeps his surfers happy. He has a second site called the archive or something like that so he has expanded. But one of the keys of the web is you can "expand" and not change a damn thing. Just get more traffic and he seems pretty good at that as he is still growing.

exspamr

from what i hear he makes over 100 grand a month on paid gallery spots... i think they guy knows what hes doing

oldtimer

No surfer will ever want to visit any of my pages twice, and I make more money than most TGP owners. The problem with new webmasters is they think like surfers. They make pages for people who DONT buy anything.

You should make them buy something, not give them free entertainment.

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Des

Ok hmm How can I put this.
You look at his site often I assume cause you realize it's the same design each time..
Now you are a wm "i think" which would make you actually look at the design and realize it's tierd...But the average joe assfuck who has bookmarked his site could careless of the design as long as as fast as he can or as long as it will stay up he can find that lil ass link to the fix he needs at the moment...
Get it? So why change or fix something that OBviously works.

KRL

Yep, its ironic, because webmasters usually have LONG memories. I was one of the few people who used to post supportive comments on the Hun. I felt it was a webmasters own fault for not better protecting his content. I used to tell webmasters just replace the content pics with sexy girl pics with your 900 numbers on it and you'll make bucks off the hotlinking he does.

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shermo

Besides the obvious reasons of having a site surfers are familiar with, adding anything additional would shoot his transfer through the roof. Any little change he would make in his site would result in a transfer increase, unless of course he simplifies it more than it already is....and as we all know, or should know, more transfer = more money.

Seb From Holland

How many fucking times is someone gonna fucking say "if it ain't fucking broken, don't fucking fix it". JEEEEEZ! MORONS.

Libertine

The people saying "don't fix it if it ain't broken" are rather funny. Look at all the large companies - every once in a while, they change their marketing techniques, just to keep up with the changing market.

Now, ofcourse the Hun will remain large and powerful for many years to come. That doesn't mean, however, that changes or additions wouldn't bring even more success.

The internet is changing every day, the amount of people connected to the internet increase rapidly, surfers are getting faster connections, more sites appear daily, etc.

Now, the main reason for the success of the hun not so much is his fabulous design, as it is his continuous bringing of quality galleries to the surfer, combined with very high userfriendliness. Being userfriendly, easy to navigate and high quality is not dependant on that particular design. So, a change of design may well please the surfer even more.

However, I do think that while the Hun could change his design, he would most likely be better off by adding niche sites instead.
What about, for instance, gayhun.com? Or hunvideo.com? I personally think that sites like those would help him greatly in keeping certain bookmarkers who might otherwise go to other sites eventually.

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Interlude

Pepsi sucks.

Matt 26z

Why risk changing a site that paid for a million dollar home? It's just not worth the risk.

COLT

I've noticed that the hun's galleries are some of the best quality anywhere and I think it's because he doesn't post paysite hosted galleries.

I've been to a few TGPs lately that were full of hosted galleries and the stuff was just booooring. Not the type of TGPs that get me to bookmark them.

The hun keeps it fresh, thats why he gets the millions of visitors everyday.

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the indigo

5 months ago, hosted galleries did not exist.

Libertine

You sure you're in the same adult biz as the rest of us are in?

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donnie

Links are not protected but his descriptions are because he write them him self...

snowball179

2 years ago, stiffycash had hosted galleries.

mike503

"if it ain't broke don't fix it"

apologies if someone else said that already, i'm too lazy to read all the posts.

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The Hun

Funny... the page changed a LOT over the years. On the backend there are modifications made every day. The gallery layouts changed, the content changed. Niches came and went away again, The Yellow Pages always went with the flow of what was popular. Not that I had to keep an eye on that myself. Gallery builders build what make them money. And that's what they submit. So my site links to galleries and niches that are the most popular at that time.

I might be giving away a big secret here, but the ONLY thing that hasn't changed about my site is the way my ever changing content is presented. That has always been the same simple design. But people don't come to my site to see how good a webdesigner I am. If I hadn't changed over the years my site would have been inoperable by now. Especially the back-engine takes a lot of work. Not to speak of the robot. Graphics would make the site look good, but it wouldn't add anything to what people come to see. People want to see galleries... so I bring 'em galleries...

Now for the taking of links: it IS illegal. There is jurispondence (right spelling?) about that as well. There were cases in most countries about database protection. The only thing we had to prove in court is that my site is a database. And I think everybody will agree that it is just yet. So it's not the link individually that are protected by law, it's the collection itself.

A dictionary is copyrighted. Now everybody can speak the words in it without a problem, but if you take information from a dictionary with the goal to republish the content you're violating a database protection law. Same with my site. We copyrighted the collection as well to make everything a lot simpler. The Yellow Pages are registered and reckognized as a database. You can not take information from a database and reproduce it without autorisation from it's owner.

Libertine

What I wonder about is if it would be legal to publish only certain links, while mentioning the original source.

For instance, listings could look like:

<a href="">bukkake gallery</a> source:<a href="http://www.thehun.com">The Hun</a>
<a href="">gangbang gallery</a> source:<a href="http://www.worldsex.com">WorldSex</a>
<a href="">groupsex gallery</a> source:<a href="http://www.easypic.com">EasyPic</a>
<a href="">story gallery</a> source:<a href="http://www.sleazydream.com">SleazyDream</a>

I think listings of that kind would have a good chance of holding up in court...

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Ross

You better just make some more sales then to buy him a new one

Gutterboy

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Its not court I'd be worried about

Libertine

As has been shown before on this very board, there are things that can go wrong when doing that.

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Jakke PNG

I believe you COULD do it like that. As writing a study on something you can 'borrow' anything your little mind wants as long as you point the source on which it was taken. But I doubt you can take every link from the hun and put the hun as source. That would be like photocopying a book, give it a different name and just point out that everything in it is actually the same as the original book.

...and nastyjack. You make me sad.. You were so quick to jump to conclusions when you accused me of childporn... yet you prove time after time you know nothing.

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Libertine

Well, someone could take just a few links from each of the big tgps each day.

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Muff

Im pretty sure it would, probably get away with fair use without returning a link at all. But where would you rather get your galleries from a reuter? Or direct from the source.

Jakke PNG

Sometimes it's not possible to get directly from the source. Like a new site? Or a site that just recently started accepting submissions?

If you have a tgp that has like 100 (daily) galleries, you might need to borrow 95/day in the beginning.

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Libertine

Controversy works wonders for publicity
Besides that, one could quite easily build up a constant flow of high quality niche galleries this way, which could be a good thing especially for a new site.

(btw, I am in no way thinking of doing this myself)

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Jakke PNG

I am, something similar.

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Libertine

Good luck dude, just tell me when you'll put it up, so I can get popcorn in advance

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Kinder

My opinion is that The Hun don't need major design changes.
But enhancing the current graphics by adding them a modern touch would be very welcomed.

A professional cartoonist can make wonders with Hun's mascot.

I seriousely doubt this could decrease Hun's performances.

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Jakke PNG

Hehehe.
It's not really like that, it's a bit different.

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