crockett

See that's your first problem.. you listen to sound bytes and not reality.. The fact Ron Paul is doing well in polls just shows you how bad the other GOP candidates are.

TheSquealer

Anything is "possible". The question is "how" and "what is the plan to transition away from these institutions without upsetting the value of the currency, the markets, foreign investment in our debt etc etc etc etc etc.

Anyone can say "its possible". Technically, quantum physics tells us its possible to walk through a brick wall that doesn't mean its a realistic or practical plan to get to the other side of the wall.

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glamourmodels

maybe, but it was a lot less expenditure before so your argument is specious

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glamourmodels

so your basic point then is for him to devolve into the usual politician by spewing talking points and attacking people, ok nice to know where you are coming from

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glamourmodels

welll, hate to break it to you then but if that's your position ron paul should be your guy cause no one else is going to come close to doing that stuff. i am not sure what your point is-

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glamourmodels

if that's the case then not only should they get their money back, but they should liquidate you because you really suck at your job and are a liability lol

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glamourmodels

I can kind of understand where you are coming from but with all due respect you are mistaken. whatever party banner he flies he does not need to rely on the support of republicans only in congress, he has a long history of working with democrats and either way it's meaningless because you use the bully pulpit to take your case to the voters- THEY will put the pressure on their congressmen whether republican or democrat when they understand the issues better. right now the people dont understand the issues because the message is filtered through the media and everyone knows they have no interest in lelling things as they are...

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glamourmodels

he is on record discussing that in detail- google it

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glamourmodels

if you want to know his positions, use google, it's your friend. I know his positions very clearly thanks--

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glamourmodels

simple... nationalize it

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porno jew

you didn't even know his position on occupational health and safety and the environment moron.

you are not even american. why gives a fuck

Coup

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the domination of one's thoughts or feelings by a persistent idea, image, desire, etc.

glamourmodels

Shows how utterly clueless you are. I am American dumbass. When did I ever say I was not American dipshit? Jesus, some of the people on this board are complete imbeciles. Where is the facepalm smiley???

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Coup

1. Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities. Ron Paul has sponsored legislation that would repeal affirmative action, keep the IRS from investigating private schools who may have used race as a factor in denying entrance, thus losing their tax exempt status, would limit the scope of Brown versus Board of Education, and would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens. Here are links to these bills: H.R.3863, H.R.5909, H.J.RES.46, and H.J.RES.42.

2. Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights.Ron Paul makes it very clear that one of his aims is to repeal Roe v. Wade. He has also co sponsored 4 separate bills to ?To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.? This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents. Please see these links: H.R.2597 and H.R.392

3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class. He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Act and would deal devastating blows to Social Security including repealing the act that makes it mandatory for employees of nonprofits, to make ?coverage completely optional for both present and future workers?, and would ?freeze benefit levels?. He has also twice sponsored legislation seeking to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act which among other things provide that contractors for the federal government must provide the prevailing wage and prohibits corporate ?kick backs.? Here are the related legislative links: H.R.2030, H.R.4604, H.R.736, and H.R.2720

4. Ron Paul?s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes.He has repeatedly submitted amendments to the tax code that would get rid of the estate and gift taxes, tax all earners at 10%, disallow income tax credits to individuals who are not corporations, repeal the elderly tax credit, child care credit, earned income credit, and other common credits for working class citizens. Please see this link for more information: H.R.05484 Summary

5. Ron Paul?s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment. Among other travesties he supports off shore drilling, building more oil refineries, mining on federal lands, no taxes on the production of fuel, and would stop conservation efforts that could be a ?Federal obstacle? to building and maintaining refineries. He has also sought to amend the Clean Air Act, repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977, and to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to ?restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters?. To see for yourself the possible extent of the damage to the environment that would happen under a Paul administration please follow these links: H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.393, H.R.4639, H.R.5293, and H.R.6936

Coup

6. A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations. Ron Paul supports withdrawing the US from the UN, when that has not happened he has fought to at least have the US withdrawn from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He has introduced legislation to keep the US from giving any funds to the UN. He also submitted that the US funds should not be used in any UN peacekeeping mission or any UN program at all. He has sponsored a bill calling for us to ?terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.?Ron Paul twice supported stopping the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States. He also would continue with Bush?s plan of ignoring international laws by maintaining an insistence that the International Criminal Court does not apply to the US, despite President Clinton?s signature on the original treaty. The International Criminal Court is used for, among other things, prosecution of war crimes. Please see the following links: H.R.3891, H.AMDT.191, H.AMDT.190, H.R.3769, H.R.1665, H.CON.RES.23, and H.R.1154

7. Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens. This is an issue that Paul sort of dances around. He has been praised for stating that the federal government should not regulate who a person marries. This has been construed by some to mean that he is somewhat open to the idea of same sex marriage, he is not. Paul was an original co sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act in the House in 2004. Among other things this discriminatory piece of legislation placed a prohibition on the recognition of a same sex marriage across state borders. He said in 2004 that if he was in the Texas legislature he would not allow judges to come up with ?new definitions? of marriage. Paul is a very religious conservative and though he is careful with his words his record shows that he is not a supporter of same sex marriage. In 1980 he introduced a particularly bigoted bill entitled ?A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.? or H.R.7955 A direct quote from the legislation ?Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.? shows that he is unequivocally opposed to lifestyles other than heterosexual.

8. Ron Paul has an unnatural obsession with guns. One of Paul?s loudest gripes is that the second amendment of the constitution is being eroded. In fact, he believes that September 11 would not have happened if that wasn?t true. He advocates for there to be no restrictions on personal ownership of semi-automatic weaponry or large capacity ammunition feeding devices, would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act (because we all know our schools are just missing more guns), wants guns to be allowed in our National Parks, and repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. Now, I?m pretty damn certain that when the Constitution was written our founding fathers never intended for people to be walking around the streets with AK47′s and ?large capacity ammunition feeding devices.? (That just sounds scary.) Throughout the years our Constitution has been amended and is indeed a living document needing changes to stay relevant in our society. Paul has no problem changing the Constitution when it fits his needs, such as no longer allowing those born in the US to be citizens if their parents are not. On the gun issue though he is no holds barred. I know he?s from Texas but really, common sense tells us that the amendments he is seeking to repeal have their place. In fact, the gun control act was put into place after the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., and Robert Kennedy. Please view the following links: H.R.2424, H.R.1897, H.R.1096, H.R.407, H.R.1147, and H.R.3892.

9. Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system. The fact is that Ron Paul wants to privatize everything and that includes education. Where we run into problems is that it has been shown (think our current health care system) that this doesn?t work so well in practice. Ron Paul has introduced legislation that would keep the Federal Government ?from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.? In a separate piece of legislation he seeks to ?prohibit the payment of Federal Education assistance in States which require the licensing or certification of private schools or private school teachers.? So basically the federal government can?t regulate teaching credentials and if states opt to require them for private schools they get no aid. That sounds like a marvelous idea teachers with no certification teaching in private schools that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of race. He is certainly moving forward with these proposals!Remember his ?bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.? or H.R.7955? Guess what? He basically advocates for segregation in schools once again. It ?Forbids any court of the United States from requiring the attendance at a particular school of any student because of race, color, creed, or sex.? Without thinking about this statement it doesn?t sound bad at all. But remember, when desegregating schools that this is done by having children go to different schools, often after a court decision as in Brown Vs. Board of Education. If this were a bill that passed, schools would no longer be compelled to comply and the schools would go back to segregation based on their locations. Ron Paul is really starting to look like a pretty bigoted guy don?t you think?

10. Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state. This reason is probably behind every other thing that I disagree with in regards to Paul?s positions. Ron Paul is among those who believes that there is a war on religion, he stated ?Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view.? (( Koyaanisqatsi Blog: Wrong Paul Why I Do Not Want Ron Paul to be My President )) Though he talks a good talk, at times, Ron Paul can?t get away from his far right, conservative views. He would support ?alternative views? to evolution taught in public schools (i.e. Intelligent Design.) We?ve already taken a look at his ?bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.? or H.R.7955Besides hating the gays he takes a very religious stance on many other things. He is attempting to force his beliefs on the rest of America, exactly what he would do as president.

DTK

qft.......

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baddog

So you are around. I was just thinking about you the other day. How goes it?

SmokeyTheBear

hire them to pick up all the trash on the sides of the road.

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glamourmodels

@Coup=yawn

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TheDoc

Lol, in detail..... He understands what the issues are and he has plans for a few of them, but with the major ones, he does not.... he has ideas, history and the constitution.

Take gold for example, one of his 'several' ideas, which is not a plan of action, is to run both systems together, and his words where something like: And naturally people will use gold backed money. Where is his plan of action to cover the value of our goods, services, business, stocks, money, etc, etc, etc... without the inflation added in yet everything valued on it?

Either way, I can't seem to find this hours, probably days long documentary that covers in detail the plan of Action and results of those Actions and how to prepare for the future when those actions take place, based on the situations of yesterday let alone today.

You would think a documentary with such educational information would be easy to find.....

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glamourmodels

seek and you shall find :-)

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glamourmodels

Ok dumbass, I'll bite... what country am I from then? Why do YOU give a fuck? You are not American-

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glamourmodels

@Coup - no more silly pics to post retard??

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glamourmodels

Actually Ron paul gets more donations from the military than any other candidate including Obama.

Why dont you support the troops baddog?

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glamourmodels

ok, no one responding last few answers I gave so letting this thread die now, especially since Dr. Paul will likely be even higher after tonight's debate and the next thread will put him more solidly in first place. I am guessing after CBS got criticized so heavily that CNN is going to have to give him more time and his poll numbers always go up when people can actually hear him speak unfiltered.

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glamourmodels

Hmmm, just saw this. New poll puts Ron Paul firmly in second place tied with Grinch,er... Gingrich in New Hampshire.

Truthfully, New Hampshire looks like Romney's to loose but if Congressman Paul can win Iowa and finish second in NH it will definitely reshape this race.

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/texas/...atest-nh-poll/

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Tempest

No polls matters until the day people start to vote as so much can change.