EukerVoorn

And another thing, friend Tomas... and quite important and in the interest of the whole adult industry which is suffering from bad reputation partly due to people whining about not being able to stop subscriptions to porn sites which is one of the reasons why more and more people refuse to pay for porn anymore and download their porn for free from torrents and file lockers....

If a credit card gets declined somewhere in July, then I think it's acceptable to try charging that card 2 more times with 3 day intervals just as long as you keep that account active. What you absolutely cannot do, is closing that account, and then try charging it again somewhere in September. Because thy that time the member already discovered his account was terminated, and didn't bother trying anymore, and went on with his life or maybe subscribed to some other site or if he was very lucky, found a girlfriend. Then in the beginning of October he receives his bank statement, discovering there is a charge for a website he subscribed to a long time ago and that he couldn't access anymore months ago either. The next thing this person will do is go on some forum to whine about that stupid porn site that keeps billing him even though he can't access the site.

You may get tired of this and you may feel it's not neccessary to put a time limit on how many days after a card gets declined you're still allowed to attemt a rebill and you may feel it's not neccessary to fix all these htpasswd update bugs that have been reported to you many months ago already, but this is something that affects the whole industry, and not only you.

If you terminate an account because the card gets declined, you can't try billing that card again 3 months later, very simple.

That's also the reason why I restored all Zombaio accounts on our site last night so that at least these credit card holders get what they paid for.

Again, would have been happy to discuss all this with you in a private support ticket, but ....

Are you going to try to sign up with femanic.com again today with that Belize credit card? Sales are a bit slow today

EukerVoorn

You were in my ignore for a while but I took you off and really enjoyed the Cars video you posted in my other thread, had not heard that song for ages, so I'll keep you off my ignore for a while and if you do the same and give me a chance to find the way to your heart, maybe one day we can meet and have a rimming weekend

SwirlsGirl

Hey Euker sorry I have not been in this thread to back you up a little...typically ONLY and I MEAN only when I participate in a ZOMBAIO thread in any manner I have to shut down and clean my computer from a nasty infection that renders it useless.

Like I said this has happened about 6 times this year and always the day of my appearance in a zombaio thread

Now you have clearly and intelligently showed some of the bold,beligereant,and dishonest practices that 3rd party parasites are engaged in.

I have tried valiantly to do the same, the lines are being drawn, it is clear they are operating from and us against them perspective, and they pull no punches, and they play to win

We just had a surge in sales this week that were collect by our merchant account bank... now we find out that our funds have been frozen....payouts that is...see a con man will only freeze your payouts/settlements in the name of investigating charges...

but the conman parasite pseudo banker criminal greed driven mentality will not allow him to freeze your processing..

You see if you want to truly investigate, wait for a complaint, wait for a chargeback, wait for some reasonable suspicion of fraud...THEN YOU INVESTIGATE

but when you have no fraud, no suspicion of fraud, no charge back, then you reveal yourself as a pompous pot belly banker, who is incapable of generating money on his own looks or talents, so he has to use his/her lack of talent to steal funds from real working americans who are cash cows...

Mind you these scum exist in every billing company,bank,or financial enitity, the so called mysterious secretive all powerful "RISK DEPARTMENT" You better start recognizing them for what they are

Maybe I am a big target because for a variety of reasons....I have had excess of $30,000.00 stolen from me, and my company, I have had accounts closed, seized, stolen, computers get viruses, and other behind the scenes things that I won't mention cuz it might scare some of you, but it has not kept me from calling out and exposing tactics, and techniques used by the con men/middle men who are destroying not just our industry but the world...

sooner rather than later we will have to deal with them on completely different unsavory terms...take that to the bank no pun intended

EukerVoorn

I wouldn't go that far Swirls, I appreciate Tomas' explanations and I made him aware of a bug on his site and he made me aware of a bug on my site, after that life and biz go on. All I can say is... spread your risks. Why did you stop using Zombaio by the way, also because of content violation? Normal interracial b/g porn shouldn't be a problem, right?

Also my connection gets slow sometimes when visiting this site, not only Zombaio thread pages. I think it's because of all the ads and stats trackers and connection here in the French mountains is horrible anyway, when a bird lands on the phone line outside, I get disconnected already not to mention what happens when there's a thunder storm somewhere in the region

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So basically you're saying that the porn I shoot is boring. Ok fine, let's look into the things you're doing:

ErosExotica - HOLY SHIT!

Screw My Wife Club - WOW that's really original... why did I never think of setting of a "screw my wife" site?

Mister Peabody Asia NEW! - This is really too weird and wild for me...

MILF Mia - WOW MILF MILF MILF, is it hard to find 42 year old retired porn models willing to take off their clothes for a MILF site?

Bollywood-Nudes - Nude stuff, wow!

Classic Porn DVDs - CLASSIC PORN, YESSSS!!!!!

Dutch Fantasies - so they take off their clothes but keep their wooden clogs on, climb to the top of the windmill, fuck each other and then eat some raw herring? lol

Suck On It Baby - Suck on what? Suck on my toe? That's KINKY!

The Art Of Handjobs - you must be the inventor of handjobs site...

Fuck off retarded asshole with your sites that all together generate 2 sign ups a day just enough for you to pay the rent and tell your friends you're in the porn industry. Do some research on pornography and its definition... as soon as you shoot things that everybody else has been shooting a million times before, you're not a pornographer, but a loser. The best compliment you can get as a pornographer is when other pornographers think that what you shoot goes too far, just as long as it doesn't harm people or animals. Who are you to decide what's acceptable or not, stupid Jehova witness bigot with your dumb "Lord knows what's next"? Do you go to church every Sunday, burn a candle for Jesus and then you hear holy mother Maria whisper in your ear that what you're doing is allright and that Jesus was a member of the Screw My Wife Club too and that Maria was a MILF, maggot brain? And look at the models you work with, do you hire them from the local pig farm just before they get transported to the slaughter house? I shoot with models who wouldn't even consider working with you because the payment you can offer them is almost like a tip and you work on shared revenue bases probably anyway because with lousy sales like yours there isn't much left for investing in new productions. These are the kind of models I work with and the kind of quality content I produce, and trust me, it SELLS:

SwirlsGirl

Hey Euuker cut me some slack here....got me confused....you laid out in vivid detail how you felt like your biller zombaio were billing customers and not giving access...which is fraudulent and deceptive....you also emphatically say that you are sure it is a petty revenge tactic to close your account....

So are you and Tomas now buddies again, and all of this drama was from a bug.....gotcha...sure it was....case closed victory for pseudobankers

Was it the same "bug" that causes payout delays every couple of weeks, or a different bug altogether a "cancel accounts and rebill bug" see that I can understand just a programming glitch or miscue...I know shit happens

Hey I got into this business to work at something I enjoy, be semi comfortable in my living, and eat drink and be merry like the rest of you...

I have had some success, but have been knocked down and around many times by crooks... as recent as 2 days ago had a banking/risk department/client analyist/parasite crook promise to send my merchant account settlement funds once I gave him a document that he requested.

We gave him the requested document after a wild goose chase and Instead of doing what he said and keeping his word....

he chose to bait and switch, stall and delay and is just like his buddies or cousins in zombaio risk department is creating and inventing new ways to hold,keep,take my money or my families money right from under us.

So he probabally spent my money, does not have our funds, and uses stall,delay,confuse tactics...its tried and true, and becoming more and more frequent to those who pay attention.

When heading into a global depression the banks will be the very last to show outward signs of distress...its a game of confidence and if you blink first you lose...

The banks are skimming,scamming,wall street is skimming and scamming....

the adult industry you know there is skimming,scamming,shave code everywhere, so it truly is hopeless to expect prosperity in a world wide depression...

and in a game where crooks collect and count your money before you do....

they will not suffer first....you the merchant will suffer first, and will be the last to ever know what hit you

To those that think I come off desperate well you are correct I desperately need to be paid my money when it is collected from my customers...

I don't know if there are a bunch of "RISK ANALYSTS" who work in this business and are having a field day viewing this forum looking for marks all while laughing and snorting, and gambling.etc

but the fun is no longer in it for me, the inmates have taken over the asylum, I make money and they take my money... yes even with a merchant account your money is not safe....

but I know its certainly all my fault, for interracial content, for talking bad about billing companies, for trying to warn others when there was no one there to warn me

I'll be the bad girl who is to blame for the bad apples in this business

Euker I don't knock you for your content, I defend your right to produce whatever your customers desire, so long as it does not hurt any individual or harm any ones property, or exhibit mischief and fraud in your contracts...

but no I won't eat poop, and no I won't watch your content or people eating poop....

but that in no way means I will not assist or aid you when you come here and say a billing company is playing hard ball with your money and your business

EukerVoorn

Hey Swirls,

No, Tomas and I aren't buddies and aren't doing business together anymore but my respect for him grew a little and 3 days ago I was convinced that I was right and he was wrong and after the discussions with him I can see things from his point of view and understand where the confusion comes from and how multiple problems resulted in a bit of a messy situation. First there is the apparent flagging of "cancelled" of accounts that are declined when rebilled, then there were the paused rebills in July and then there was Zombaio's attempt to catch it all up. There's still some things I don't get but I'm not planning to make this my life mission. Zombaio isn't processing for me anymore, so business wise it's not important anymore, so it's a case closed situation.

As for getting screwed... don't get me started. I can write a book about dealing with lawyers, judges, starting legal procedures, etc. But what's the point. Life is one big lesson. Every day you learn. And from time to time I ask myself why I'm in the biz and what I want from life, and the answers is simple: I want to live in peace and be happy. I'm not in this biz to become a millionair and I'm not in this biz to create enemies and fight battles trying to come out as the winner. About Zombaio I must say that I never had any payment delayed. I don't check my bank account every day, but like once a week and there has always been a Zombaio transfer coming in. The only institute that tried to keep my money is PayPal. They really are the biggest scumbags in online money transfer biz. But with a few tricks I was able to get most of that money back.

If you get screwed over and over again; no it's not your fault. But you have to learn from each incident and try to get out stronger and wiser. That's why I said... spread your risks. Build up a network of people you can trust. Burry your money in the ground instead of putting everything on a savings account at some bank, especially now. If a bunch of banks go bankrupt next week, the big boys will get informed about that tomorrow so that they have enough time to withdraw their cash. What's left is for the small pussies like you and me. Or invest your money in real estate. Or in xxx domains

If you want to chat further of think I can help you somehow or want to do business, euker at almostthelastpage org

SwirlsGirl

Thanks for the clarity Euker defnitely can appreciate your perspective, and I know the game very well, make money...have it taken...spend money to chase money taken....go broke trying to spend money chasing money, red tape, fraudsters, liars, I mean its almost no point but like you say I have to get wiser, and get wiser fast....I am learning in a painful way that with all the talk of RISK DPEARTMENTS...LIABILITY...banker balance sheets..etc.

in the realm of online commerce...you and me as merchants assume far more risk then the pseudo bankers...it is a risky prospect letting them collect our money without real time stats, and access to our customers movements on their servers....

its risky calling out a shady company cause they will close your account, its risky letting them dictate the terms of you getting your money...I repeat....let them dictate the terms of YOU GETTING YOUR MONEY

SO Merchants need to understand the risk when dealing with any financial company they are not your partners friends or family...

you need to watch them like a hawk...and never trust anything they say....money talks bullshit walks....

if you take my money from my customers and don't pay me you are a bullshitter and will get called out at least by me...

until there is the straw that breaks swirls back...because its coming real soon, and I pitty the mofo who drops that straw

EukerVoorn

The problem is with credit cards, Swirl. You'll always need third parties for processing them. I thought the risk with Zombaio isn't that big because you can have weekly payouts with a 5% rollback. So worst case scenario is that you lose your final (few) payment(s). Then you need to make sure those payments are being transfered to your own bank account and not that of some other middle men or accountant.

I'm expecting a lot from the European Direct Debit system which comes down to a direct transfer from your client's bank account to your bank account which can't be charged back. Do you or will you get something like that in the USA?

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SwirlsGirl

Well excellent point as all of your points EukerVoorn, and I am not aware of anything like that but I have asserted and repeated that we need to come together and discuss the prospect of a billing overhaul or new platform so to speak.

One that is for adult merchants,of adult merchants,by adult merchants

See an adult merchant is not a skillless parasite. A parasite does not have skill just raw nerve and no morals....many say we have no morals but thats not true, we are real humans who are not as dumb as we all look and act sometimes.

Credit card companies, billing companies, banks, really need to be taken out of the equation...its a simple philosphy...customer has currency and wishes to transact with merchant...

Merchant offers the easiest payment option available to customer to transact....should not have anything to do with a bank or credit card

Most adult merchants have taken so much for granted for so long myself included...you cannot even verify voids...refunds....or chargebacks in many instances when dealing with 3rd party billers....

you have to "trust" that if you see a refund in your client account, you have to trust its been refunded you cannot prove it unless like you have done you have a customer give you verification by way of bank statement...

it is my contention that many of these so called voids,refunds,chargebacks... are lip service and left cover for fraudulent card banging schemes

I know enough people who have worked collecting money, and its almost a human flaw for some to skim off the top...why would employees in a a billing company be different.

The atmosphere on gfy is very negative and parasite infested, as you know most of the time a sincere plea for help or warning ro others gets childish inmature grade school insults and difusion and confusion of the issue at hand...

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Nothing to do with a credit card OR bank huh? I guess we should trade in chickens and beef.

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Point well taken stocktrader, and just for clarity... at this point after having a surge/rapid growth spurt in sales this past week, and having funds collected from my customers and INTERCEPTED by my merchant account bank....

1. not for fraudulent transactions

2. not for charge backs

3.not for stolen credit card

4.not for my own protection

5. not for merchant account abuse

but some pot belly banker sitting in a risk department who is no different then tomas of zombaio with extensive background in banking,stealing,risk management, and acquiring understands very simply this...

that his client is thousands of miles away and cannot get on a plane to walk in his office and "DISCUSS" my money being sent...

So at this point not having any of the sales that I need to cover over head and what not....I will gladly take some fucking chicken and beef as payment at least my family could eat a few more days... but your sarcasm escapes my reality...

I am getting taken to the cleaners everyday by financial entities and its not my desperation but those 3rd parties who have no funds or income to generate on their own

I am not sure how to get a new billing platform but there must be something worth looking at like Eukervoorn pointed out....direct bank account debit so that credit card fraud is reduced drastically....also these in my view would be some benefits...

- no settlement delays.

- no 3rd party holding your money and making interest for profit

- no 100's of complaints on ripoffreport.com about the worlds #1 3rd party billing company ripping people off

- no more days where submissions % go from 75% to 0% then back up to 65% repeatedly rinse and repeat

- no more high subscription prices a to cover the "PROCESSING" companies 15% in fees for the transfer of your hard earned sale into a credit, which is transferred into a temporary loan at the rate of 15%

when you understand this at the level I do, it is nothing but having your money loaned back to you at 15%...no different then the central theme around central banking, and central pseudo banking

- no more pay out delays or zombaio billing reps telling you your wire has left 12 days ago when it never left

- no more busting your ass to make sales and having to wait 1-2 weeks for a payout while some pseudo bankers have your money sitting in some account trying to earn interest

- no more coming to gfy to see if you are one of the 250 clients that got paid this week or not

I like the idea of new technology replacing credit card processors....surely they don't like thinking or talking like this as sooner rather than later the gas tank on the private jet starts sitting on Empty

customer + processor + merchant = recipe for disaster (ibill,paymonde,passwordbyphone,2000charge,etc)

customer + Merchant + direct debit = prosperity,peace of mind,lower prices,happier customers and merchants...no more parasites

If you don't view them as a parasite then why don't you see plumbers or auto repair shops being charged 15% to accept credit cards

Only in our hypocritical industry do we tolerate such foolishness

we allow pseudo bankers to hold our money and pass the excuses... we need individuals that hold the excuses and pass the monies

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I knew you would show up sooner or later Big Tymer...LOL how I really feel...I am on some real straight FUCK A BANKER TYPE SHIT these days....LOL

Don't worry boys and girls....your time is coming soon....once you taste the sting...another song you will start to sing...lalalalala.... means they love you...the pseudo bankers love you

sing it with me now...all together!!!

The pseudo bankers love you and me, and together with my customer we make 3...yes you and me...LOL

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Oh snap SwirlsGirl has arrived.

How many threads is it now made against Zombaio by people who are just confused about the interface or statistics they're looking at?

But maybe I'm wrong and the guy is right.. if not shouldn't he be banned for saying Zombaio is scamming customers?

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Not him, he now say that he understand what Tomas mean, so there was a clear misunderstanding as I read it.


But swirlgirl should... If zombaio owe you money, post proof or stop saying that they are scammers etc...

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I claimed that Zombaio was charging cancelled subscriptions and posted proof of that, in fact what I claimed was true, only apparently, and I believe Tomas on his word, the subs weren't cancelled by the members, but by Zombaio's internal system after these credit cards were declined for rebilling, and on top of that there was a huge delay in the billing retries which is normally done two more times with 3 day intervals, but in this case with a 2 month interval. So on one page the account was flagged as cancelled somewhere in July and on the other page the account was flagged as active and billed again starting in September. After I brought it up in here, Tomas had it fixed.

If I should be banned for that, then Jakez should be banned for being a dumb little girl who can't read properly and that should keep her tiny cute litte nose out of things she doesn't understand. I find her annoying anyway. So there she goes, to the ignore list.

EukerVoorn

I think 0.1% of my members pay by cash sent by mail. I like that very much

Do you know if you're getting Direct Debit in the US, Stocky?

Zyber

I have experienced the same thing. I am happy that the bug was found, and Zombaio has fixed it.

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Not as painful as looking at those pics that Squirty posted, fucking hell lol
Would be nice if Swirlgirl would get to the point, really, AND be polite enough to answer questions of people who are polite enough to answer her questions.

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Hey EukerVoorn what question did I forget to politely answer?

My apologies, I am a little swamped right now trying to collect money from more industry crooks....

but the when discussing scammers versus liars....they are one in the same....

so if A liar represents a 3rd party billing parasites company, and he is caught red right handed lying about payouts...then that in my book is in fact scamming

When a 3rd party parasite tries to insult your intelligence and DEMAND you give up your merchant account details then he has revealed himself to be ego tripping power desperate shady, and cruddy to the core

When someone freezes your account with no due process and just says "we reserve the right to hold your funds" its another way of getting around law and due process and just jack booting someones money

Now if I walk into a bank or pseudo bank or billing company and say reach for the sky I am taking this money because its my right...whats going happen?

if you are a bank,billing company,merchant account company, you are god and canhelp yourself to whatever you want...and most of the time get away with it

Now you or me, try to walk into a financial institute and help yourself to some one elses money then its an afternoon of tasing, handcuffs, and a few years in lock up

So identify the hypocrisy, identify the methods that scammers use, and by all means identify the mother fucking scammers so that you help the next guy not get scammed

but nah gfy animals actually crave and enjoy seeing people suffer or get burned its just what this place breeds....

EukerVoorn

I asked you a few times WHY Zombiao closed your account, on WHAT ground... would like to know that. Also what did they tell you about payment of remaining funds when closing your account?

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As this thread progressed I've decided to give you the benefit of the doubt as the OP appears to be moronic.

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Yes I'm a moron, I won't argue that. But that means that it was a moron who saw bugs in Zombaio system which were overlooked by Zombao themselves. Also there's now two recorded incidents on this site of people going public on certain things, having their account closed directly after that, their balance not getting paid out and have Jason Williams attempting to dig around in their member sections. And there's more from other people on google.com